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CBS claims Tenessee shooter identity is Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez (Original Post) MohRokTah Jul 2015 OP
Same guy? 951-Riverside Jul 2015 #1
Don't know. There is a Muhammad Abdulazeez who lives MineralMan Jul 2015 #3
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #20
It's a very common name jberryhill Jul 2015 #15
According to my local news, it's the LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #59
You called it! KamaAina Jul 2015 #73
It doesn't 'look' good no matter who did the shooting. RW fundamentalism is a scourge blm Jul 2015 #2
It doesn't "look good" when you refuse to call a white terrorist a terrorist because he's white. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #12
Yep, but, NOT labeling RW shooters as terrorists is best to GOP ignoring RW fundamentalist blm Jul 2015 #21
+1000 Alittleliberal Jul 2015 #58
BBC reporting that witnesses saw a white man with a high power rifle, perhaps the shooter was a snagglepuss Jul 2015 #4
White people do live in the Middle East. This is a white guy who was born in Kuwait. MADem Jul 2015 #33
Right-Wingers will ignore 9/11 and boast there were no terror attacks in US when Bush B Calm Jul 2015 #5
Unfortunately, RWers will chant BOMB BOMB Iran Iliyah Jul 2015 #6
Well, that would be par for the course--bomb Iran for something a KUWAITI did!! MADem Jul 2015 #34
Whatever race, religion, or ethnicity aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #7
The justice department is calling cwydro Jul 2015 #8
Yet not a word about the terrorist who gunned down nine people in a church. eom MohRokTah Jul 2015 #10
I'm sure you mean not a single accusation of terrorism aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #22
PRECISELY! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #24
actually the confederate flag is coming down everywhere because of samsingh Jul 2015 #36
Not a word? Where have you been? 840high Jul 2015 #44
"This doesn't look good"? No mass murder "looks good", whatever the name of the murderer. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #9
The "not looking good" part is how quick this gets (justifiably) called terrorism MohRokTah Jul 2015 #11
I was going to say the same thing jberryhill Jul 2015 #13
Great, cue the fundamentalist, violent, authoritarians non-stop whining about Darb Jul 2015 #14
Yeah shenmue Jul 2015 #27
I'm sorry d_r Jul 2015 #16
What I root for is calling a terrorist a terrorist MohRokTah Jul 2015 #17
Cue the anti Islamic outrage from rabid right wingers in 3...2...1... Initech Jul 2015 #18
what cue? this is another instance of domestic terrorism samsingh Jul 2015 #37
I'm very worried how the GOP is going to spin this one. Initech Jul 2015 #45
but it needs to be stopped - attacks from different groups are too frequent samsingh Jul 2015 #68
They may have the spelling wrong Eugene Stoner Jul 2015 #19
Here is a pic of the shooter from twitter LittleBlue Jul 2015 #23
Looks pretty white to me. AngryAmish Jul 2015 #29
Hmmm. Adbulazeer is a very different name from Abdulaziz! MADem Jul 2015 #30
Could be wrong LittleBlue Jul 2015 #32
I think they got the picture right, but the name is a mess on that card. MADem Jul 2015 #35
another murderer samsingh Jul 2015 #38
Heavy.com has their five fast facts up on him. herding cats Jul 2015 #25
The Tweet was NOT sent prior to the attack oberliner Jul 2015 #40
Yes, I know that now. herding cats Jul 2015 #41
Cool oberliner Jul 2015 #43
Right now it is being investigated as a case of domestic terrorism, and I have no problem with that. still_one Jul 2015 #26
that was terrorism and the destruction of the confederate flag was a response samsingh Jul 2015 #39
One of my good friend's father was at the active scene... been gone most of the day so I know Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #28
From early reports, one officer was wounded. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #31
Thank you, MohRokTah.... Peace.... n/t Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #46
4 Marines are dead. You care how it looks? 840high Jul 2015 #42
Says a lot when only two posters thought about my fellow Marines that died. oneshooter Jul 2015 #47
Yes. It says a lot about DU. I find 840high Jul 2015 #49
It speaks to the distance between those who serve nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #51
Hyper polarization is one thing tymorial Jul 2015 #53
That is a symptom of that constant state of war nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #54
+ 1 DashOneBravo Jul 2015 #57
Nadine - good post. I view 840high Jul 2015 #61
So do I nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #63
+1 forthemiddle Jul 2015 #55
...^ that 840high Jul 2015 #60
It is disturbing. romanic Jul 2015 #62
Me too leftynyc Jul 2015 #65
I hear you tymorial Jul 2015 #52
There were 4 posters in this thread that weren't about the politics muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #64
#2 and #9 were pure politics, no mebtion of the dead Marines or their families. n/t oneshooter Jul 2015 #66
So you missed the word 'victims' in #9 muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #67
You seem to read the words diffrently than I do. oneshooter Jul 2015 #70
i heard a press conference earlier today and they said they were treating it as domestic terrorism spanone Jul 2015 #48
I guess the FBI is making this claim nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #50
Sad day DashOneBravo Jul 2015 #56
Ban all guns! n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #69
Again, no condolences for the families of the dead. oneshooter Jul 2015 #71
You could always start a silent thread for the dead. KamaAina Jul 2015 #72

MineralMan

(146,321 posts)
3. Don't know. There is a Muhammad Abdulazeez who lives
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jul 2015

near Chattanooga, according to whitepages.com.

But, then, there are others with that name with that spelling in other cities, too. We'll have to wait.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #3)

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
59. According to my local news, it's the
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jul 2015

same guy. I just saw it on my local news, and they showed part of the video and said it was him. They said he was from Kuwait first, then Jordan, and then he became a naturalized American citizen. They showed his high school yearbook picture, but I didn't catch where he lived when he graduated. I'll be curious to see what the story is here. They said that he doesn't seem to have been on any terrorist watch lists or anything, so I'm wondering if maybe there was something personal between him and the Marines he killed.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
73. You called it!
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/chattanooga-shooting/chattanooga-gunman-mohammad-abdulazeez-was-passive-mma-trainer-says-n393771

The gunman who killed four Marines in attacks on military centers in Chattanooga had a short-lived career as an amateur mixed-martial arts fighter and is remembered by his trainers as a regular teenager who was a bit "passive" for the combat sport.

Jesse Grun and Jeremiah Gurley said Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez joined their former gym, the Chattanooga Fight Factory, right after he graduated from Red Bank High School.

"Seemed like a normal kid back then," Grun told NBC News after Thursday's rampage. "He was a nice kid. Wasn't really shy, but not loud either."

Abdulazeez had wrestled in high school but wanted to branch out into MMA. His devoutly religious family, however, did not want him to participate in the full-contact sport, which involves grappling, boxing and martial-arts techniques.

blm

(113,079 posts)
2. It doesn't 'look' good no matter who did the shooting. RW fundamentalism is a scourge
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jul 2015

to this nation and to the entire world.

It doesn't 'look' good when a RW fundamentalist does the killing based on paranoia and propaganda from RW American media, and doesn't 'look' good when a RW fundamentalist does the killing based on paranoia and propaganda from RW fundamentalist Islamic terrorists.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
12. It doesn't "look good" when you refuse to call a white terrorist a terrorist because he's white.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jul 2015

Yet brown terrorists are immediately called terrorists for their terrorism.

blm

(113,079 posts)
21. Yep, but, NOT labeling RW shooters as terrorists is best to GOP ignoring RW fundamentalist
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

terrorists as their voting base.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
4. BBC reporting that witnesses saw a white man with a high power rifle, perhaps the shooter was a
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jul 2015

convert. To early to know though.



snip

Eyewitnesses reported seeing a gunman firing from inside a car outside the recruitment centre.

One told CNN she heard "really loud noises" and later saw a white man with a "high-powered rifle".

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. White people do live in the Middle East. This is a white guy who was born in Kuwait.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jul 2015

In fact, most of the people from the Middle East would, if challenged by a US census taker with their categories, call themselves "white." Whatever "white" is...!

His family is Kuwaiti, he has lived in TN, and the odds are good he was a regular reader of Inspire! magazine. It could be possible that he was mad at one of those Marines for an unrelated reason, but I--as someone with years of experience living and working in that region-- rather doubt that.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
5. Right-Wingers will ignore 9/11 and boast there were no terror attacks in US when Bush
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jul 2015

was in office.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. Well, that would be par for the course--bomb Iran for something a KUWAITI did!!
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jul 2015

Remember, they attacked Iraq when the mastermind was running around two countries over, in Afghanistan!!

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
7. Whatever race, religion, or ethnicity
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jul 2015

whether a confederate flag waving psychopath or a muslin nutter I hope they come down hard on him. I'm sick of the violence in this country that occurs on almost a daily basis.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
22. I'm sure you mean not a single accusation of terrorism
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jul 2015

They covered the shooter in the church endlessly. He was discussed day after day after day. But I don't think I heard his act referred to as terrorism either. According to the Code Of Federal regulations (28 CFR), terrorism's legal definition is: "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"

Sounds like it should apply to both assholes, this guy and the confederate who shot up the church.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
24. PRECISELY!
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jul 2015

Yet this terrorist asshole is immediately accused of terrorism and the other terrorist asshole gets a fucking happy meal and no accusation of terrorism.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
36. actually the confederate flag is coming down everywhere because of
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:14 PM
Jul 2015

it's influence on the white domestic terrorists.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
9. "This doesn't look good"? No mass murder "looks good", whatever the name of the murderer.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jul 2015

Whether it's the kind of shooter who provokes cries of "terrorism" on Fox News or the kind who provokes "angry white male" screeds on Salon, it makes no difference to the victims.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
11. The "not looking good" part is how quick this gets (justifiably) called terrorism
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jul 2015

While a terrorist in South Carolina has yet to be called that.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
14. Great, cue the fundamentalist, violent, authoritarians non-stop whining about
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jul 2015

fundamentalist, violent, authoritarians. Just another day in 2015.

If only they could all just go away.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
17. What I root for is calling a terrorist a terrorist
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jul 2015

regardless of the political motivations or race of the terrorist.

We have a terrorist in South Carolina that has not yet been called a terrorist by anybody in government. He's a white racist terrorist, s that gets swept under the rug.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
37. what cue? this is another instance of domestic terrorism
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jul 2015

which regardless of political leaning is terrible.

4 marines were killed by this terrorist.

should we mourn them instead of making this a tea party issue?

Initech

(100,091 posts)
45. I'm very worried how the GOP is going to spin this one.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jul 2015

To us it's another day and another tragedy, and another day that jack shit is being done to prevent these domestic terrorists from getting their hands on assault weapons. To the Republicans, they will blame everyone and everything but the guns and they'll scream about anti Islamic sentiment until they're blue in the face.

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
68. but it needs to be stopped - attacks from different groups are too frequent
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jul 2015

I don't think it's good enough to keep saying 'let the facts be known'. I think they are known.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. Hmmm. Adbulazeer is a very different name from Abdulaziz!
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jul 2015

And Yousduf is a new one on me!!! Yusef/Youseff/Yusif, sure...but Yousduf? Hunh?

I think whoever does those arrest cards needs a course in "Names of Middle Eastern origin!"

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
32. Could be wrong
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jul 2015

But multiple pics of that man exploded on twitter about 30 min ago. Haven't seen a reputable publication confirm yet though.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. I think they got the picture right, but the name is a mess on that card.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jul 2015

If you walk into a large mosque and ask everyone named Muhamad to come forward, you will enjoy a stampede. It is an extremely common name in the Islamic world, even when it is not used in everyday parlance (example--Hosni Mubarak is actually named Muhamad Hosni Mubarak; Reza Pahlavi was actually named Muhamad Reza Pahlavi).

We'll know soon enough if he was known by his full name, by Yusef, or by some other Americanized nickname. I have a friend named Osama who goes by Sammy, and a friend named Mohamad who goes by Moe.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
25. Heavy.com has their five fast facts up on him.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015
Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez has been identified by CBS News as the gunman who fatally shot four Marines and wounded a police officer on Thursday in shootings at two military recruiting and training centers in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Abdulazeez, 24, is also dead.

At least two others were injured, including one in critical condition. The officer is in stable condition. The shootings happened at separate military reserve centers on Lee Highway and Amnicola Highway.

Here’s what we know so far: Read more

He was a 24 year old naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Kuwait.

It appears it may well be ISIS related due to their Tweet prior to the shootings.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. The Tweet was NOT sent prior to the attack
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:26 PM
Jul 2015

From FB:

Thanks to some helpful friends and studying Twitter, I have the answer to the ISIS Tweet about Chattanooga, TN. The Tweet was NOT sent prior to the attack. The Tweet was sent at 1:34PM EST (Eastern U.S. and Canada) Viewed from an account set to Pacific time, which is three hours behind EST, the Tweet's timestamp says 10:34AM. Either way, with the attacks beginning around 11:00 EST, the ISIS Tweet was sent more than two hours after the attack. To illustrate, here are screenshots of the same Tweet taken with my account set to Pacific time, then Eastern time.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
41. Yes, I know that now.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:28 PM
Jul 2015

However at the time I had posted that the article I liked said it was before the attack. They've since changed that information.

still_one

(92,304 posts)
26. Right now it is being investigated as a case of domestic terrorism, and I have no problem with that.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jul 2015

What I do have a problem with is that they are still debating whether to call the 9 slaughtered African Americans killed in South Carolina an act of domestic terrorism, and there is no question it was.

It is ironic how much tunnel vision the country has

samsingh

(17,599 posts)
39. that was terrorism and the destruction of the confederate flag was a response
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:18 PM
Jul 2015

the symbol of the terrorist who executed 9 African Americans has been viewed for what it is. the flags are being removed everywhere.

Ghost in the Machine

(14,912 posts)
28. One of my good friend's father was at the active scene... been gone most of the day so I know
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jul 2015

very few details right now... will have to read up on it. I just saw her Facebook post saying "My daddy is at an active shooter scene, please pray for him, but at least he's wearing a bulletproof vest".

Time to get caught up on the news.... been busy retrieving my stolen car most of the day...

Peace,

Ghost

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
47. Says a lot when only two posters thought about my fellow Marines that died.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 07:47 PM
Jul 2015

Everybody else was worried about the politics.

Bless those who died today, my condolences to their families.

GOD BLESS the US MARINES

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
51. It speaks to the distance between those who serve
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jul 2015

and those who do not. It is just getting wider. (IT also speaks to the hyper polarization of the country)

I just care for the facts (as a news person), but as a wife of a retired USN Chief, I care for the families of those Marines.

I posted bellow the FBI statement. I hate it when people say media claims. Media in these cases does not claim, media repeats what we are told. We are not there and rely on officials to tell us what to repeat. Polly needs a cracker.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
53. Hyper polarization is one thing
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jul 2015

obsession is another thing entirely. When people die and the first thing you think about is politics, your priorities are completely screwed up. When people die and you write comments laden with moral superiority and arrogance, I believe it shows a distinct lack of integrity. This comment may not be pleasant and it may wind up offending people but it is honestly how I feel. A racist piece of filth killed 9 innocent people and some were complaining about republicans and republican reaction. A shooting happened today and people are complaining about republican reaction. It is ludicrous.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
54. That is a symptom of that constant state of war
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jul 2015

between partisans on both sides. The obsession (which is not healthy and I expect yours and my post to be alerted) are a sign of a deep sickness. A joke I will remove, even if it was a dark joke... I am in a dark mood. This I will not. If the country is to survive people on both sides of the political divide better start thinking about more than just how the enemy (and they see republicans as the enemy, while the other side sees them as enemies too, in a war), will see things like this.

ISIS may very well be a great risk for the country. But these hyper partisans cannot any longer stop at the water's edge. To be frank, one side has the lion's share of responsibility for this "war." But both sides are doing it. I am personally sick of it.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
62. It is disturbing.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:01 AM
Jul 2015

Some people on here go right for the politics when something tragic happens. Not one word about the Marines dead; just more racial talk and anti-gun hullabaloo and "what will the GOP do to spin this" - Who gives a fuck!?

May the victims rest in peace.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
52. I hear you
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jul 2015

Many people wake in the morning and the firs thing they think is I hate republicans. It is the last thing they think before going to bed. It is all they care about. Its tiresome and it distracts from real issues. The death of servicemen is far more important than petty adolescent insults across the aisle. I thank the families of those we lose for their sacrifice and I Hope and pray they are the last.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,341 posts)
64. There were 4 posters in this thread that weren't about the politics
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 04:37 AM
Jul 2015

#2, #6 and #9, as well as the one you replied to. But the thing is that the OP was concentrating on the name, so the replies in this thread were as well. There are other threads about it.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,341 posts)
67. So you missed the word 'victims' in #9
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 08:13 AM
Jul 2015

and you missed the whole point of #2, which was that it's bad no matter who did the shooting.

You seem to be saying you demand the word 'Marines' in there. That's politics, isn't it?

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
70. You seem to read the words diffrently than I do.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jul 2015

So be it. Agree to disagree.

The rest is your own interpretation.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
50. I guess the FBI is making this claim
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jul 2015

and I will give you the OFFICIAL statement

FBI Statement on Shootings at Military Facilities in Chattanooga, Tennessee
Washington, D.C.
July 16, 2015

FBI National Press Office

The FBI’s Knoxville Field Office, along with the Chattanooga Police Department and other law enforcement partners, are working jointly to investigate today’s shootings at a military recruitment center and a reserve center in Chattanooga, Tennessee in which four individuals were killed and three injured. The shooter, Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24, is also deceased. While it would be premature to speculate on the motives of the shooter at this time, we will conduct a thorough investigation of this tragedy and provide updates as they are available.

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