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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCBS claims Tenessee shooter identity is Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez
https://twitter.com/CBSNLive/status/621764486916108288This doesn't look good. The cries of terrorism will now start because instead of a rightwing racist, e have somebody with a Muslim name.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)MineralMan
(146,321 posts)near Chattanooga, according to whitepages.com.
But, then, there are others with that name with that spelling in other cities, too. We'll have to wait.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The name might as well be "John Smith" for how bog-standard a name it is.
LuvNewcastle
(16,847 posts)same guy. I just saw it on my local news, and they showed part of the video and said it was him. They said he was from Kuwait first, then Jordan, and then he became a naturalized American citizen. They showed his high school yearbook picture, but I didn't catch where he lived when he graduated. I'll be curious to see what the story is here. They said that he doesn't seem to have been on any terrorist watch lists or anything, so I'm wondering if maybe there was something personal between him and the Marines he killed.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Jesse Grun and Jeremiah Gurley said Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez joined their former gym, the Chattanooga Fight Factory, right after he graduated from Red Bank High School.
"Seemed like a normal kid back then," Grun told NBC News after Thursday's rampage. "He was a nice kid. Wasn't really shy, but not loud either."
Abdulazeez had wrestled in high school but wanted to branch out into MMA. His devoutly religious family, however, did not want him to participate in the full-contact sport, which involves grappling, boxing and martial-arts techniques.
blm
(113,079 posts)to this nation and to the entire world.
It doesn't 'look' good when a RW fundamentalist does the killing based on paranoia and propaganda from RW American media, and doesn't 'look' good when a RW fundamentalist does the killing based on paranoia and propaganda from RW fundamentalist Islamic terrorists.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Yet brown terrorists are immediately called terrorists for their terrorism.
blm
(113,079 posts)terrorists as their voting base.
Alittleliberal
(528 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)convert. To early to know though.
snip
Eyewitnesses reported seeing a gunman firing from inside a car outside the recruitment centre.
One told CNN she heard "really loud noises" and later saw a white man with a "high-powered rifle".
MADem
(135,425 posts)In fact, most of the people from the Middle East would, if challenged by a US census taker with their categories, call themselves "white." Whatever "white" is...!
His family is Kuwaiti, he has lived in TN, and the odds are good he was a regular reader of Inspire! magazine. It could be possible that he was mad at one of those Marines for an unrelated reason, but I--as someone with years of experience living and working in that region-- rather doubt that.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)was in office.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)R.I.P. for the Marines who lost their lives
MADem
(135,425 posts)Remember, they attacked Iraq when the mastermind was running around two countries over, in Afghanistan!!
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)whether a confederate flag waving psychopath or a muslin nutter I hope they come down hard on him. I'm sick of the violence in this country that occurs on almost a daily basis.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)it domestic terrorism.
They've been talking about it on CNN.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)They covered the shooter in the church endlessly. He was discussed day after day after day. But I don't think I heard his act referred to as terrorism either. According to the Code Of Federal regulations (28 CFR), terrorism's legal definition is: "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives"
Sounds like it should apply to both assholes, this guy and the confederate who shot up the church.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Yet this terrorist asshole is immediately accused of terrorism and the other terrorist asshole gets a fucking happy meal and no accusation of terrorism.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)it's influence on the white domestic terrorists.
840high
(17,196 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Whether it's the kind of shooter who provokes cries of "terrorism" on Fox News or the kind who provokes "angry white male" screeds on Salon, it makes no difference to the victims.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)While a terrorist in South Carolina has yet to be called that.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)People are responsible for what they do.
Darb
(2,807 posts)fundamentalist, violent, authoritarians. Just another day in 2015.
If only they could all just go away.
d_r
(6,907 posts)I didn't read it the way it was intended. It wasn't clear to me. My apologies.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)regardless of the political motivations or race of the terrorist.
We have a terrorist in South Carolina that has not yet been called a terrorist by anybody in government. He's a white racist terrorist, s that gets swept under the rug.
Initech
(100,091 posts)samsingh
(17,599 posts)which regardless of political leaning is terrible.
4 marines were killed by this terrorist.
should we mourn them instead of making this a tea party issue?
Initech
(100,091 posts)To us it's another day and another tragedy, and another day that jack shit is being done to prevent these domestic terrorists from getting their hands on assault weapons. To the Republicans, they will blame everyone and everything but the guns and they'll scream about anti Islamic sentiment until they're blue in the face.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)I don't think it's good enough to keep saying 'let the facts be known'. I think they are known.
Eugene Stoner
(66 posts)more likely yusuf abdulaziz
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)And Yousduf is a new one on me!!! Yusef/Youseff/Yusif, sure...but Yousduf? Hunh?
I think whoever does those arrest cards needs a course in "Names of Middle Eastern origin!"
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)But multiple pics of that man exploded on twitter about 30 min ago. Haven't seen a reputable publication confirm yet though.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If you walk into a large mosque and ask everyone named Muhamad to come forward, you will enjoy a stampede. It is an extremely common name in the Islamic world, even when it is not used in everyday parlance (example--Hosni Mubarak is actually named Muhamad Hosni Mubarak; Reza Pahlavi was actually named Muhamad Reza Pahlavi).
We'll know soon enough if he was known by his full name, by Yusef, or by some other Americanized nickname. I have a friend named Osama who goes by Sammy, and a friend named Mohamad who goes by Moe.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)herding cats
(19,566 posts)Abdulazeez, 24, is also dead.
At least two others were injured, including one in critical condition. The officer is in stable condition. The shootings happened at separate military reserve centers on Lee Highway and Amnicola Highway.
Heres what we know so far: Read more
He was a 24 year old naturalized U.S. citizen originally from Kuwait.
It appears it may well be ISIS related due to their Tweet prior to the shootings.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)From FB:
Thanks to some helpful friends and studying Twitter, I have the answer to the ISIS Tweet about Chattanooga, TN. The Tweet was NOT sent prior to the attack. The Tweet was sent at 1:34PM EST (Eastern U.S. and Canada) Viewed from an account set to Pacific time, which is three hours behind EST, the Tweet's timestamp says 10:34AM. Either way, with the attacks beginning around 11:00 EST, the ISIS Tweet was sent more than two hours after the attack. To illustrate, here are screenshots of the same Tweet taken with my account set to Pacific time, then Eastern time.
herding cats
(19,566 posts)However at the time I had posted that the article I liked said it was before the attack. They've since changed that information.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just making sure to get the word out in case others have not yet been informed.
still_one
(92,304 posts)What I do have a problem with is that they are still debating whether to call the 9 slaughtered African Americans killed in South Carolina an act of domestic terrorism, and there is no question it was.
It is ironic how much tunnel vision the country has
samsingh
(17,599 posts)the symbol of the terrorist who executed 9 African Americans has been viewed for what it is. the flags are being removed everywhere.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)very few details right now... will have to read up on it. I just saw her Facebook post saying "My daddy is at an active shooter scene, please pray for him, but at least he's wearing a bulletproof vest".
Time to get caught up on the news.... been busy retrieving my stolen car most of the day...
Peace,
Ghost
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I'll keep your friend in my thoughts.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)My condolences to the families.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Everybody else was worried about the politics.
Bless those who died today, my condolences to their families.
GOD BLESS the US MARINES
840high
(17,196 posts)it disturbing.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and those who do not. It is just getting wider. (IT also speaks to the hyper polarization of the country)
I just care for the facts (as a news person), but as a wife of a retired USN Chief, I care for the families of those Marines.
I posted bellow the FBI statement. I hate it when people say media claims. Media in these cases does not claim, media repeats what we are told. We are not there and rely on officials to tell us what to repeat. Polly needs a cracker.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)obsession is another thing entirely. When people die and the first thing you think about is politics, your priorities are completely screwed up. When people die and you write comments laden with moral superiority and arrogance, I believe it shows a distinct lack of integrity. This comment may not be pleasant and it may wind up offending people but it is honestly how I feel. A racist piece of filth killed 9 innocent people and some were complaining about republicans and republican reaction. A shooting happened today and people are complaining about republican reaction. It is ludicrous.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)between partisans on both sides. The obsession (which is not healthy and I expect yours and my post to be alerted) are a sign of a deep sickness. A joke I will remove, even if it was a dark joke... I am in a dark mood. This I will not. If the country is to survive people on both sides of the political divide better start thinking about more than just how the enemy (and they see republicans as the enemy, while the other side sees them as enemies too, in a war), will see things like this.
ISIS may very well be a great risk for the country. But these hyper partisans cannot any longer stop at the water's edge. To be frank, one side has the lion's share of responsibility for this "war." But both sides are doing it. I am personally sick of it.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Republicans as fellow Americans who think differently from me.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Bravo!
840high
(17,196 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)Some people on here go right for the politics when something tragic happens. Not one word about the Marines dead; just more racial talk and anti-gun hullabaloo and "what will the GOP do to spin this" - Who gives a fuck!?
May the victims rest in peace.
May those marines rest in peace and may their families find peace in their hearts.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Many people wake in the morning and the firs thing they think is I hate republicans. It is the last thing they think before going to bed. It is all they care about. Its tiresome and it distracts from real issues. The death of servicemen is far more important than petty adolescent insults across the aisle. I thank the families of those we lose for their sacrifice and I Hope and pray they are the last.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,341 posts)#2, #6 and #9, as well as the one you replied to. But the thing is that the OP was concentrating on the name, so the replies in this thread were as well. There are other threads about it.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,341 posts)and you missed the whole point of #2, which was that it's bad no matter who did the shooting.
You seem to be saying you demand the word 'Marines' in there. That's politics, isn't it?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)So be it. Agree to disagree.
The rest is your own interpretation.
spanone
(135,855 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I will give you the OFFICIAL statement
FBI Statement on Shootings at Military Facilities in Chattanooga, Tennessee
Washington, D.C.
July 16, 2015
FBI National Press Office
The FBIs Knoxville Field Office, along with the Chattanooga Police Department and other law enforcement partners, are working jointly to investigate todays shootings at a military recruitment center and a reserve center in Chattanooga, Tennessee in which four individuals were killed and three injured. The shooter, Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24, is also deceased. While it would be premature to speculate on the motives of the shooter at this time, we will conduct a thorough investigation of this tragedy and provide updates as they are available.
DashOneBravo
(2,679 posts)Rest in peace Marines
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Just pure politics.
Disgusting.