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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:34 PM Jul 2015

Cops kill a law-abiding citizen for taking off his hat, get away with it

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/15/1402517/-The-despicable-video-of-California-police-executing-unarmed-law-abiding-Diaz-Zeferino



They killed him because he took off his hat...



The city paid the family $4.7 million. That means that what the cops did was wrong, right?
Guess again. The officers were cleared and are back on the streets. Because cities make multi-million-dollar-settlements when they are innocent.



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The next video on autoplay on Youtube is titled "Austin Police officer saves woman choking on biscuit".
I guess, that's how cops roll: Sometimes they save people, sometimes they kill people. You never know.
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Cops kill a law-abiding citizen for taking off his hat, get away with it (Original Post) DetlefK Jul 2015 OP
No different tha what ISIS does. Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #1
No, it doesn't mean what the cops did was wrong. Igel Jul 2015 #2
What the cops did was wrong. The evidence is staring you in the face. The city knows it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #5
Cold blooded murder. SamKnause Jul 2015 #3
What the cops did was wrong, but... MiniMe Jul 2015 #4
If it was wrong, then there would be no 'but'. Lancero Jul 2015 #6
There is only one question: "Did the cops see a threat or not?" DetlefK Jul 2015 #7

Igel

(35,309 posts)
2. No, it doesn't mean what the cops did was wrong.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:08 PM
Jul 2015

Nor does it say that what the cops did was right. Sometimes these things say nothing that outsiders really believe must be said. Then again, as outsiders, nobody really gives a damn about our opinion because we're outsiders. We're just not that important.

An out-of-court settlement is done to avoid having to go to court. The court determines guilty or not guilty. No court weighed in.

Now, the city could have admitted wrong. But typically they don't unless they need to. So odds are the city didn't confess.

Since the city didn't admit wrong-doing, and the judge didn't find the city guilty of anything, who gets punished? Nobody. Unless the police involved reach a private settlement with the city, and that's only really possible *after* the out-of-court settlement, or as part of it. I suspect the family probably would go for more $ and less punishment. Not my place to judge them.

So, why would the city avoid going to court? Lots of reasons. Imagine the outrage if the city had won. In Simi Valley the city defended its cops and won. That was a pyrrhic victory, I'd say.

Often the trial just provides bad PR. Even without an "uprising" that has the innocent beat up the innocent in the name of punishing the guilty, the city loses. And trials are expensive for the city. There's always a pro-bono lawyer willing to do it for the publicity--with the lawyer less constrained in what he can say than the city attorneys are.

A trial also provides a lot of risk. Juries often award outrageously high sums. They're usually beaten down on appeal, but that means more legal wranging and more bad press.

That leads to the next question, though: Why did the family not go to court. Probably because they were told it was unlikely they'd win. Or if they did win, on appear their award, esp. after legal fees, would be no more than what they'd get after legal fees are taken out of this particular $4.7 million.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
5. What the cops did was wrong. The evidence is staring you in the face. The city knows it.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:40 AM
Jul 2015

The rest is obfuscation.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
4. What the cops did was wrong, but...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:05 AM
Jul 2015

This one I can actually understand why they shot. When he reached to take his hat off, he could have been pulling something from under the back of his shirt. Stupid movements on the mans part and in no way justifies it, but I can actually see why they thought there was a threat.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
6. If it was wrong, then there would be no 'but'.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:34 AM
Jul 2015

To justify their actions is to admit they were correct in doing them.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. There is only one question: "Did the cops see a threat or not?"
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:52 AM
Jul 2015

"Well, maybe he could have eventually reached for a weapon we didn't see."
That's not a reason for shooting someone. That's a carte blanche for killing anybody whenever you feel like.

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