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n2doc

(47,953 posts) Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:17 PM Jul 2015

Trump Awakens Kerry’s Vietnam Anger

The Iran nuclear deal that could prevent a war must have evoked another deal to end a war almost 50 years ago in the Secretary of State.

John Kerry was angry.

“Listen to this. Listen to what Trump just said about John McCain,” Kerry was saying over the phone. “ ‘He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.’ ”

“That’s unbelievable,” Kerry said. “That’s beyond outrageous.”

“John and I have some serious differences on a lot of things but he is nothing other than a hero and a good man. Where was Trump when John got shot down over North Vietnam? In school? At a party? Where was he?”

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/19/trump-awakens-kerry-s-vietnam-anger-with-slam-on-mccain.html

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Trump Awakens Kerry’s Vietnam Anger (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2015 OP

Wish that some repugs angryvet Jul 2015 #1

He's a bigger man than all of the repubs combined n/t n2doc Jul 2015 #3

+ a million. SoapBox Jul 2015 #10

Absolutely n/t sharp_stick Jul 2015 #17

Yes. A man of integrity. n/t YvonneCa Jul 2015 #29

I agree with everything you said! Johnyawl Jul 2015 #18

He had a date for the big Debutante Ball. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #2

Yeah, but it was the BIGGEST debutante ball! And his date was the MOST BEAUTIFUL! Paladin Jul 2015 #4

I count my blessings that Trump didn't end up in my foxhole pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #7

Trump would have shit his pants so bad that the stench would have given away your position. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #20

I'd love to see Trump share a fox hole with Charles Rangel, who WAS in a fox hole in Vietnam! George II Jul 2015 #41

Actually, no pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #49

Right, as a military person in the Vietnam era, that was an unconscious mistake of mine. George II Jul 2015 #50

You spelled that wrong. It's "douche bag ball". progressoid Jul 2015 #21

A true hero himself rbrnmw Jul 2015 #5

Love da Kerry! nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #6

Pissed me off too. Hatchling Jul 2015 #8

I hear ya. Hepburn Jul 2015 #36

TRump got "deferred"...like so many of the Bush War Criminals. SoapBox Jul 2015 #9

I understand he got four deferments, but that doesn't "Trump" Cheney, who got more. George II Jul 2015 #42

Trump is not just insulting McCain Siwsan Jul 2015 #11

Bingo! douggg Jul 2015 #16

Repugs couldn't possibly care less about veterans - LiberalElite Jul 2015 #12

John Kerry should have won in 2004 Gothmog Jul 2015 #13

Given the nonsense in Ohio, ejbr Jul 2015 #23

So true. n/t YvonneCa Jul 2015 #31

Absolutely agreed. Love the guy. Xyzse Jul 2015 #38

He was probably getting his hair done. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #14

I'm with John Kerry on this one. Initech Jul 2015 #15

I am with him too. mylye2222 Jul 2015 #19

Trump was counting his money when McCain was shot! Cryptoad Jul 2015 #22

I can't imagine why ANYBODY that is tied to the military Ilsa Jul 2015 #24

An honorable man Depaysement Jul 2015 #25

Go John!! tavernier Jul 2015 #26

The Right is very hypocritical in terms of Trump's statement and what they did to Kerry. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #27

Jeb Bush liberal from boston Jul 2015 #34

Thanks...just copied and filed away that letter in case Bush wins their nomination. George II Jul 2015 #43

I hope McCain learns something from John Kerry. pacalo Jul 2015 #28

McCain did speak out to defend Kerry pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #30

It didn't stand out enough for me to remember; thanks, pinboy. pacalo Jul 2015 #32

On the Swiftboats nonsense Id add that mylye2222 Jul 2015 #35

clinton was busy avoiding death in the hospital after his bypass surgery dsc Jul 2015 #37

at first, then requested that his words of defense not be used in ads by Kerry campaign. blm Jul 2015 #44

Juan Cole had a recent op-ed BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #47

Good op-ed; thanks for posting it. pacalo Jul 2015 #48

I don't care for McCain's politics awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #33

Trump doesn't have a chance, why give him the attention. frankieallen Jul 2015 #39

Because he is the Republican frontrunner n2doc Jul 2015 #40

GOP, Peace is so much better than war. /nt dieter Jul 2015 #45

LOL "John Kerry was angry."? LOL pocoloco Jul 2015 #46

Oh please. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. nt MADem Jul 2015 #51

Really over the top. mylye2222 Jul 2015 #52

angryvet

(181 posts)

1. Wish that some repugs

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:21 PM

Jul 2015

would have jumped to defend John Kerry, Matt Cleland and Tammy Duckworth. They are all claiming you don't do this to veterans!!!
Oh like what they've done to Democrats! F'ing hypocrites.
But John Kerry showed what a true hero he is.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)

3. He's a bigger man than all of the repubs combined n/t

Reply to angryvet (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:25 PM

Jul 2015

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)

10. + a million.

Reply to n2doc (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:11 PM

Jul 2015

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)

17. Absolutely n/t

Reply to n2doc (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:44 PM

Jul 2015

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)

29. Yes. A man of integrity. n/t

Reply to n2doc (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:27 PM

Jul 2015

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)

18. I agree with everything you said!

Reply to angryvet (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:00 PM

Jul 2015

(but it's Max Cleland, not Matt)

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)

2. He had a date for the big Debutante Ball.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:25 PM

Jul 2015

So he just couldn't make it to Viet Nam.

Paladin

(28,257 posts)

4. Yeah, but it was the BIGGEST debutante ball! And his date was the MOST BEAUTIFUL!

Reply to Kingofalldems (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:44 PM

Jul 2015

And Trump was the RICHEST guy there! And he had a really HIGH draft number! And besides all that, he thought that war was WRONG!

So glad to see John Kerry making a statement on all this.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)

7. I count my blessings that Trump didn't end up in my foxhole

Reply to Kingofalldems (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:58 PM

Jul 2015

What a scary thought. That chickenhawk blowhard could have gotten a lot of us killed.

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)

20. Trump would have shit his pants so bad that the stench would have given away your position. nt

Reply to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:09 PM

Jul 2015

George II

(67,782 posts)

41. I'd love to see Trump share a fox hole with Charles Rangel, who WAS in a fox hole in Vietnam!

Reply to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 01:37 PM

Jul 2015

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)

49. Actually, no

Reply to George II (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:29 AM

Jul 2015

Mr. Rangel served in the Korean War; I served in the Vietnam War.

George II

(67,782 posts)

50. Right, as a military person in the Vietnam era, that was an unconscious mistake of mine.

Reply to pinboy3niner (Reply #49)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:53 AM

Jul 2015

progressoid

(49,990 posts)

21. You spelled that wrong. It's "douche bag ball".

Reply to Kingofalldems (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:20 PM

Jul 2015

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)

5. A true hero himself

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:52 PM

Jul 2015

I am glad SOS Kerry weighed in.

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)

6. Love da Kerry! nt

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:53 PM

Jul 2015

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)

8. Pissed me off too.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:07 PM

Jul 2015

I had a boyfriend who never returned from that war.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)

36. I hear ya.

Reply to Hatchling (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:30 AM

Jul 2015

My first crush in HS went and did not come back, but went out saving others.

GEORGE INGALLS, MEDAL OF HONOR RECEIPIENT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Alan_Ingalls

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)

9. TRump got "deferred"...like so many of the Bush War Criminals.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:10 PM

Jul 2015

They're all in the trash can together.

The biggest War Hawks...who are all chicken shit.

And now they are going to wear their draft dodging as a badge of honor???

That is some fucked up thinking.

George II

(67,782 posts)

42. I understand he got four deferments, but that doesn't "Trump" Cheney, who got more.

Reply to SoapBox (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 01:40 PM

Jul 2015

Siwsan

(26,262 posts)

11. Trump is not just insulting McCain

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:12 PM

Jul 2015

He's insulting every soldier, sailor, airman or marine, past and present, who was ever held in a POW camp. The ones who survived and the ones who didn't.

douggg

(239 posts)

16. Bingo!

Reply to Siwsan (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:41 PM

Jul 2015

"He's insulting every..."

Absolutely!

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)

12. Repugs couldn't possibly care less about veterans -

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:16 PM

Jul 2015

IMO they're only piling onto Chief Clown Trump in the hopes of ending his campaign. Veterans are just their most convenient excuse.

Gothmog

(145,242 posts)

13. John Kerry should have won in 2004

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:25 PM

Jul 2015

ejbr

(5,856 posts)

23. Given the nonsense in Ohio,

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:41 PM

Jul 2015

he probably did. But anyhoo, when it comes to being a hero Trump needs to STFU.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)

31. So true. n/t

Reply to ejbr (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:28 PM

Jul 2015

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)

38. Absolutely agreed. Love the guy.

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:53 AM

Jul 2015

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)

14. He was probably getting his hair done.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:28 PM

Jul 2015

Initech

(100,076 posts)

15. I'm with John Kerry on this one.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:31 PM

Jul 2015

Where was the god damn media when George Bush was being aided by the smear group "Swift Boar Veterans For Truth"??? If I remember Fox News was promoting that bullshit garbage 24/7. Shut the fuck up Fox News. You get zero right to criticize Trump. ZERO.

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)

19. I am with him too.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:02 PM

Jul 2015

Disagree politicqlly woth McCain yes. Swiftboaters NO!

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)

22. Trump was counting his money when McCain was shot!

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:39 PM

Jul 2015

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)

24. I can't imagine why ANYBODY that is tied to the military

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:44 PM

Jul 2015

Would vote for that piece of bat guana. He obviously has no respect for military.

He'll start wars left and right with his lack of diplomatic skills.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)

25. An honorable man

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:47 PM

Jul 2015

I am humbled and proud to have worked for him. There are none finer.

tavernier

(12,388 posts)

26. Go John!!

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:50 PM

Jul 2015

If Trump gets as far as the elections, we should all plaster bandaids on our fingers to show his pain for counting money.

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)

27. The Right is very hypocritical in terms of Trump's statement and what they did to Kerry.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:57 PM

Jul 2015

liberal from boston

(856 posts)

34. Jeb Bush

Reply to YOHABLO (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:35 PM

Jul 2015

IMO, This is also be a big problem for Jeb Bush. Below is link to a DU post earlier: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026988176

George II

(67,782 posts)

43. Thanks...just copied and filed away that letter in case Bush wins their nomination.

Reply to liberal from boston (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 01:43 PM

Jul 2015

pacalo

(24,721 posts)

28. I hope McCain learns something from John Kerry.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:23 PM

Jul 2015

I don't recall McCain stepping up for John Kerry during the swiftboaters' full-court press against him, which led to the purple-heart bandaids & other nonsense.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)

30. McCain did speak out to defend Kerry

Reply to pacalo (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:28 PM

Jul 2015

Not as often or as forcefully as he could have, but he did defend Kerry publicly.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)

32. It didn't stand out enough for me to remember; thanks, pinboy.

Reply to pinboy3niner (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 07:35 PM

Jul 2015

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)

35. On the Swiftboats nonsense Id add that

Reply to pinboy3niner (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:34 AM

Jul 2015

As McCain should have done it more forcefully he spoke out in defense of JK more than, in a paradox way , the Clintons...

dsc

(52,162 posts)

37. clinton was busy avoiding death in the hospital after his bypass surgery

Reply to mylye2222 (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:43 AM

Jul 2015

something you should have known.

blm

(113,061 posts)

44. at first, then requested that his words of defense not be used in ads by Kerry campaign.

Reply to pinboy3niner (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:50 PM

Jul 2015

Bush and Rove got to McCain in an effort to keep him marginalized - McCain did what he always does - rolled over for the Bushes.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)

47. Juan Cole had a recent op-ed

Reply to pacalo (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:02 AM

Jul 2015

where he mentioned this, so there are likely other sources as well.

Now another Republican candidate is trying to swiftboat a decorated veteran. But this time the candidate is Donald Trump and the veteran is Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). (McCain, by the way, defended Kerry in 2004; but then he had been the victim of Bushie dirty tricks in the 2000 primaries and knew the filthy ends to which they were willing to go).

More from the Cole piece - and I wholeheartedly agree with this:

The problem with Sen. McCain is not that he isn’t heroic– he is. It is that he proposes US wars too often and too lightly.
It is worth noting that the only brush with the military Trump ever had came when he was expelled from middle school for behavioral problems at age 13 and was placed by his parents in the New York Military Academy in hopes that it could straighten him out (obviously it couldn’t).
There is no shame in having been against the Vietnam War (I was, too), the reason Trump gives for having sought student deferments. But people who haven’t been in war, in my view, are not in a position to question the valor of people who have. Someone who served in a war can be wrong about politics and then we should argue with them on political grounds. But if we weren’t there, we don’t know the test of character they faced and can’t speak to that.

http://www.juancole.com/2015/07/swiftboats-mccain-swiftboated.html

pacalo

(24,721 posts)

48. Good op-ed; thanks for posting it.

Reply to BlueMTexpat (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 03:20 AM

Jul 2015

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)

33. I don't care for McCain's politics

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:08 PM

Jul 2015

but, unlike a lot of chicken Hawks, he actually went to a war zone. They didn't shoot him down with spitballs.

frankieallen

(583 posts)

39. Trump doesn't have a chance, why give him the attention.

Reply to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:57 AM

Jul 2015

n2doc

(47,953 posts)

40. Because he is the Republican frontrunner

Reply to frankieallen (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 10:00 AM

Jul 2015

Give him all the attention he craves. Just make sure he is tied to the GOP. Every Time.

(now if you are a republican, you definitely don't want to give Trumplican any media attention....)