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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:44 AM Jul 2015

Wesley Clark Calls for Internment Camps for "Radicalized" Americans

Totally gobsmacked by this--would never have expected this from Clark.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/20/wesley-clark-calls-internment-camps-radicalized-americans

Retired general and former Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark on Friday called for World War II-style internment camps to be revived for “disloyal Americans.” In an interview with MSNBC’s Thomas Roberts in the wake of the mass shooting in Chatanooga, Tennessee, Clark said that during World War II, “if someone supported Nazi Germany at the expense of the United States, we didn’t say that was freedom of speech, we put him in a camp, they were prisoners of war.”

He called for a revival of internment camps to help combat Muslim extremism, saying, “If these people are radicalized and they don’t support the United States and they are disloyal to the United States as a matter of principle, fine. It’s their right and it’s our right and obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.”

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nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
1. .
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:57 AM
Jul 2015


General Wesley Clark Asked About 7 Country War Plan
Published on Sep 25, 2013

In this video Luke Rudkowski ask's General Wesley Clark about a speech he made where he revealed pentagon plans for War with seven countries in five years. Clark's reaction speaks volumes as he does not say much and walks off when asked about Obama's handling of Syria, one of the countries mentioned in the pentagon plan.


"The US needs to be a strong force..." -Wesley Clark

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Radicalized as in "secessionist" and "putting Bible above constitution"?
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:23 AM
Jul 2015

What about a dead-beat rancher who threatens federal agents with a rifle?

What about "sovereign citizens" who deem themselves above the law?

What about people who fly a flag that symbolizes a war of treason and secession against the US?

Allequal

(1 post)
11. Treason?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jul 2015

Detlefy, with respect (really) I wonder..
Are you saying that it is your feeling is that the Federal Government is OK with all that they are doing? That the 'deadbeat rancher', as you referred to him, Mr. Bundy was not within his rights to protect land that his family had utilized for generations, had been paying the state for, dutifully, for decades? Are you aware of why the land suddenly became important to the BLM?
Do yo research material as regards abuse of power, or do you simply feel that the news services are founts of truth and that anything other than the official narrative is fiction? I research issues regarding dissent and reaction to dissension and am curious what your narrative is on the government at state and federal levels.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
12. Bundy is a criminal.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:39 PM
Jul 2015
The federal government had been removing Bundy’s cattle and impounding them in a corral in nearby Mesquite, NV, because the rancher has kept his more than 900 head of cattle on a piece of 600,000-acre federal land for the past two decades and has refused to pay taxes since 1993, when the federal government increased the grazing fees in order to save critical habitat for the endangered Mojave Desert tortoise.

While the federal government allows grazing on federal lands, with the BLM reporting it administers around 18,000 grazing permits and leases on 157 million acres across the country each year, Bundy doesn’t have such a permit and hasn’t had one for the past two decades.

Bundy does not have such a permit because he doesn’t want to pay federal taxes on land he says belongs to the state of Nevada. However, the private rancher hasn’t removed his livestock from the federal land, which was an option he could have pursued in order to not pay the federal fee, which costs about $1.35 per cow-calf pair per month.

The feds argue Bundy owes U.S. taxpayers more than $1 million in unpaid grazing fees. As Kornze said, the cattle roundup was a “matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public-lands ranchers do every year.”

http://ecowatch.com/2014/04/15/blm-battle-at-bundy-ranch/


...and the treason in the post you're replying to is in reference to the Confederate battle flag.

- The Confederate flag isn’t just offensive. It’s treasonous.

- America Urgently Needs a History Lesson About the Confederate Flag: The rebel flag represents a treasonous cause.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. Yeah treason, oh did you come here to defend Cliven Bundy? The domestic terrorist?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jul 2015

Obviously you don't know a single thing about his law breaking tactics and you even said you do research!

How sad is that!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
7. so is it a crime now to discuss religion in the USA? Even extreme relig. like 'god told me' or
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:42 AM
Jul 2015

the' end times are coming' or 'pray the president dies' speech, is to become internment camp material?

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. It makes sense to me that he would say that
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 08:24 AM
Jul 2015

How stuff works "The CIA", Phillip Agee's "Inside the Company', etc gives a basic understanding of the kind of fronts a career spy would have. Not saying he is but could be. Usually recruit college graduates or officers given a prior military experience is required but I can't say if I heard of long-term postings. I'm thinking as he rose up the ranks but either way inside the DoD, I mean Washington it gets to a point where it doesn't matter I imagine. You can tell be looking at the entire life careers and right about 1990 I start sensing some trouble.

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Clark returned to Fort Irwin and commanded the National Training Center (NTC) from October 1989 to 1991. The Gulf War occurred during Clark's command, and many National Guard divisional round-out brigades trained under his command. Multiple generals commanding American forces in Iraq and Kuwait said Clark's training helped bring about results in the field and that he had successfully begun training a new generation of the military that had moved past Vietnam-era strategy. He was awarded another Legion of Merit for his "personal efforts" that were "instrumental in maintaining" the NTC, according to the citation. He served in a planning post after this, as the Deputy Chief of Staff for Concepts, Doctrine, and Developments at Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) at Fort Monroe, Virginia. While there, he helped the commanding general of TRADOC prepare the army for war and develop new post-Cold War strategies. Clark pushed for technological advancement in the army to establish a digital network for military command, which he called the "digitization of the battlefield."[40] He was promoted to Major General in October 1992 at the end of this command.[30][41]

(my interests here are the rise of exploited labor, transitions to civilian contractors (many are CIA fronts), and the sort of cold war expanding NATO planning.)

<snip>

United States Southern Command

Army regulations set a so-called "ticking clock" upon the promotion to a three-star general, essentially requiring that Clark be promoted to another post within 2 years from his initial promotion or retire.[46] This deadline ended in 1996 and Clark said he was not optimistic about receiving such a promotion because rumors at the time suggested General Dennis Reimer did not want to recommend him for promotion although "no specific reason was given".[47] According to Clark's book, General Robert Scales said that it was likely Clark's reputation of intelligence within the military was responsible for feelings of resentment against him from other generals. Clark was named to the United States Southern Command (USSOUTHCOM) post despite these rumors. Congress approved his promotion to full general in June 1996, and General John M. Shalikashvili signed the order. Clark said he was not the original nominee, but the first officer chosen "hadn't been accepted for some reason."

<snip>

Operation Allied Force experienced another problem when NATO bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade on May 7, 1999. The operation had been organized against numerous Serbian targets, including "Target 493, the Federal Procurement and Supply Directorate Headquarters", although the intended target building was actually 300 meters away from the targeted area. The embassy was located at this mistaken target, and three Chinese journalists were killed. Clark's intelligence officer called Clark taking full responsibility and offering to resign, but Clark declined, saying it was not the officer's fault. Secretary Cohen and CIA Director George Tenet took responsibility the next day. Tenet would later explain in testimony before the United States House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on July 22, 1999, that the targeting system used street addresses, which gave inaccurate positions for air bombings. He also said that the various databases of off-limit targets did not have the up-to-date address for the relatively new embassy location.[67][68][69]'

<snip>

It goes on to say he took some offers to be on the board of defense related firms (so did Ashcroft -- he's with Blackwater now).

Though this statement kinda rules him out but they keep things so compartmentalized like when Eisenhower planned the invasion of Normandy -- massive operation that just a few knew the whole details but able to plan, organize, train, launch, etc.

In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: "As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran." [

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Clark#Civilian_career

Just considered the possibility, considering his long military career I say probably isn't or if he is not sure why he would reveal that -- it is so obvious what their goals and the Saudi confirms a lot of that and it clearly is the goal or Iran is the endgame there. Don't know a lot about Lebanon but Sudan not sure of what resources either they have to commercially exploit other than petroleum. Currently the country that isn't "South Sudan" is ruled by a Wahhabi dictatorship much like Saudi Arabia who is also a member of the "Saudi coalition".

I'm pretty doubtful he is a spy but then something like this: Clark serves on the Advisory Boards of the Global Panel Foundation and the National Security Network. He also chairman of Rodman & Renshaw, a New York investment bank,[134] and Growth Energy.[6]

At this point, there is little coming out of the DoD that I would consider unexpected, the only I don't expect is Cheney, the Bremer's, anybody on the "team" to spill their guts out. Confess. Declassify it all. What Clark suggests is something I wouldn't support from any country, at the end of the day I back the people. If a government is enacting policies that support the people than I back that policy but I think he has his countries mixed up. US avoided war with Germany for as long as possible. Japan launched that attack than pressured Hitler due to a prior arrangement he'd back them if they were in a war with the US but if they got too close to that island US would have definitely entered but don't recall pro-Nazis being locked up, in fact they had an audience, fans, etc.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. That is the ultimate goal of NSA wall-to-wall domestic surveillance.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:21 AM
Jul 2015

The goal of wholesale surveillance, [font color="green"]as (Hannah) Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” [/font color]And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant.

Chris Hedges, The Last Gasp of American Democracy

mia

(8,363 posts)
16. I was a Clark supporter and was sure he was talking about our home grown terrorists
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jul 2015

until I opened this thread. I remember him saying that assault weapons were meant for the military. Our home-grown terrorists, inspired by Republican rhetoric, scare me a lot more than the Muslims.

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