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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:25 PM Jul 2015

Rand Paul wants to do away with the "payroll tax".

What do you think of that idea? What would be the consequences?

Do not permit yourself to be distracted by the divisive rhetoric as some seek to destroy what you might take for granted.

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Rand Paul wants to do away with the "payroll tax". (Original Post) kentuck Jul 2015 OP
Of course he does. That's FICA, which funds Medicare and Social Security. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #1
Social security would be dead in a month Paulie Jul 2015 #2
He wants to defund Social Security and Medicare. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #3
Does he mean the income tax on wages or the SS & Medicare taxes? LonePirate Jul 2015 #4
The payroll tax refers to the Social Security and Medicare tax. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #16
What's he replace it with? tazkcmo Jul 2015 #5
Yeah. One more. kentuck Jul 2015 #7
Yeah. One more. tazkcmo Jul 2015 #8
Because they are only stupid... kentuck Jul 2015 #9
Replace it with higher income taxes, then OK. Maybe. SolutionisSolidarity Jul 2015 #6
Payroll taxes are regressive. hay rick Jul 2015 #10
Do you not think that once workers are no longer paying into Social Security....? kentuck Jul 2015 #11
I agree. hay rick Jul 2015 #12
If the politicians did that... kentuck Jul 2015 #13
Raise The Cap ProfessorGAC Jul 2015 #21
Exactly. Financially I'd love to see payroll taxes ended and only tax capital gains Recursion Jul 2015 #15
Taxing only cap gains? 1939 Jul 2015 #20
Payroll tax = OASDI, the insurance we call Social Security Warpy Jul 2015 #14
The consequence would be to destroy Social Security and Medicare pnwmom Jul 2015 #17
Fuck Rand Paul. What would anyone on the left side of the aisle think? That's bullshit! MADem Jul 2015 #18
And I found this, this morning... kentuck Jul 2015 #19
Rand Who? lame54 Jul 2015 #22
I can't be a good idea or future president Trump would have said it. Johonny Jul 2015 #23

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
2. Social security would be dead in a month
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:28 PM
Jul 2015

And so would a lot of old and disabled along with it.

Because it can't be said enough: Fuck Rand Paul

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
4. Does he mean the income tax on wages or the SS & Medicare taxes?
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jul 2015

Eliminating any of them is a very bad idea as the tax system would become far less progressive and worsen income inequality and/or safety nets would be shredded.

The tax hating crowd of the R party will undoubtedly love the idea, especially those with no concept of how his proposal would destroy their lives.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
5. What's he replace it with?
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:32 PM
Jul 2015

As pointed out, this is money that goes to the heart of what little safety net we have in this country. Any other stupid ideas from the GOP you'd like to share?

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
7. Yeah. One more.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:35 PM
Jul 2015

They will pay your Social Security out of the General Fund and will let Medicare go bankrupt. Any other questions?

6. Replace it with higher income taxes, then OK. Maybe.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:33 PM
Jul 2015

As others have said, these taxes are fairly important and I don't want to see what they fund hurt.

hay rick

(7,638 posts)
10. Payroll taxes are regressive.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:44 PM
Jul 2015

But I don't think that's why Paul wants to do away with them. Making them less regressive by raising the cap would be good and should be politically possible. Replacing the current payroll tax with a more progressive tax would be nice but I think Paul's idea is to replace them with widespread poverty.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
11. Do you not think that once workers are no longer paying into Social Security....?
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jul 2015

...that the politicians will find a way to cut it and to spend the money on more "vital" projects?

Once the workers no longer have a direct claim in Social Security, it will die. That has been the wet dream of Republicans since it was created. Do not fall for it.

hay rick

(7,638 posts)
12. I agree.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jul 2015

I'm a fan of raising the cap. One of the big problems with Social Security is that a greater percentage of wage income now goes to high earners and goes untaxed after their income exceeds the cap. The regressive structure of the payroll tax is somewhat offset by the progressive benefit structure.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
13. If the politicians did that...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:02 AM
Jul 2015

It would help Americans of all colors. It might not magically do away with all racism, but it would be a big step forward.

ProfessorGAC

(65,163 posts)
21. Raise The Cap
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jul 2015

I make above the cap, but not by a large amount. It would cost me around $67 dollars a month extra in payroll taxes. Ok by me.

But, i don't want to raise the cap. I'd prefer we eliminate it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Exactly. Financially I'd love to see payroll taxes ended and only tax capital gains
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 01:11 AM
Jul 2015

That is, I think that from a fiscal standpoint that would be the best policy. Politically it would be an absolute disaster and would lead to Congress ending SS and Medicare.

1939

(1,683 posts)
20. Taxing only cap gains?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jul 2015

Take a look at the government take from income taxes over the last fifty years or so. Every big dip in the tax take came at a time that the market went into free fall. The cap gains potion of the income tax is definitely not a secure source of income for the government and government budgeting would become chaos.

Warpy

(111,336 posts)
14. Payroll tax = OASDI, the insurance we call Social Security
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 01:11 AM
Jul 2015

He just thinks he's being clever by calling it the "payroll tax," which it is not. It is an insurance premium paid by workers to help support them in their old age, something none of Rand Paul's ideas or contributors wants anything to do with.

I want to do away with Rand Paul. I want to see him poor.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. Fuck Rand Paul. What would anyone on the left side of the aisle think? That's bullshit!
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 05:08 AM
Jul 2015

Most people like the ideas of social security and medicare.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
19. And I found this, this morning...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:35 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.kentucky.com/2015/07/21/3954179/rand-paul-pays-delinquent-property.html

<snip>
U.S. Sen. Rand Paul paid a delinquent property tax bill in Florida on Tuesday, only hours after the Republican presidential candidate said he wants to use fire, a wood chipper or a chain saw to "kill" the U.S. tax code.

Wearing a T-shirt that says "Detroit Republican," Paul goes after the tax code in a number of creative ways in a Web video that his campaign unveiled Tuesday, promoting his plan for a "one-page tax code" with a flat income tax of 14 percent.

In the video, titled "How would you kill the tax code?," Paul says he is "trying to kill the tax code, all 70,000 pages of it."

Meanwhile, records show that Paul, through a company he created, owns a half-interest in a condominium in Destin, Fla., that had $2,489 in delinquent property taxes as of Tuesday morning. The original $2,159.14 tax bill on the condo, which has an assessed value of $161,000, was due March 31.
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