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littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:19 AM Jul 2015

the green eyed monster strikes again …. whoa nellie ….

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/07/maryland-lawmaker-charged-with-indecent-exposure--115589.html

ROCKVILLE, Md. (WJLA) - A Maryland lawmaker is accused of flashing her bare breasts during a clash with her ex-husband.
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Montgomery County Police have charged Del. Ariana Kelly (D-Montgomery) with indecent exposure and trespassing, both misdemeanors.
Investigators say on June 27, Kelly drove to her ex-husband's home along the 5300 block of Alta Vista Road in Bethesda in order to drop-off her son and daughter, ages eleven and nine. However, as the trio approached the front door, Kelly noticed her ex-husband's new fiancé was inside the two story red brick house


Enraged, Kelly began to repeatedly ring the doorbell and bang on the home’s wooden front door. Moments later, the 38-year-old politician allegedly lifted-up her shirt and flashed her bare breasts. Appalled, Barak Sanford, a prominent investment banker, reportedly used a cell phone to record his ex-wife grab hold of her breasts and shake them up-and-down while standing on the front stoop.
"All-in-all, this is one of the strangest local events I've ever heard of, and it couldn't be more local, I'm only like 50-to-60 yards away," neighbor Geoffrey Marks remarked.
Sanford called 911 and asked that police be dispatched to his home. A responding officer politely asked Kelly to leave three separate times, at which point the elected official is said to have extended both of her wrists and state, "arrest me then." The officer complied with her wishes.


Simmons also made clear that he and his client aggressively dispute the charges. One legal question that could likely be addressed in court: Does exposing one's breasts to one's ex-husband in a semi-private place truly constitute indecent exposure...?
“And regardless of what someone thinks of the incident, [Sanford] called police on the mother of his own children,” Simmons asserted.


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the green eyed monster strikes again …. whoa nellie …. (Original Post) littlewolf Jul 2015 OP
I'm kinda on her side... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #1
"the deal was..." jberryhill Jul 2015 #5
Who knows? It was in the story... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #7
Yes it is in the story jberryhill Jul 2015 #9
But, there are no actual witnesses to this behavior... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #11
Hmmm... jberryhill Jul 2015 #15
I'm inclined to think there's something else going on... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #23
Actually, we don't know that. Orrex Jul 2015 #19
But there are no witnesses to this rage... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #24
There is allegedly a video that shows something... jberryhill Jul 2015 #25
As jberryhill noted above... Orrex Jul 2015 #26
I did not make a pernicious assumption... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #37
Your question depends on the assumption Orrex Jul 2015 #38
Neighbor was 50-60 yards away and witnessed it. NT 1939 Jul 2015 #29
The article is unclear on that point jberryhill Jul 2015 #36
Doesn't say that. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2015 #40
Thanks for postng. I like to keep abreast. pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #2
Those poor kids will always have mammaries of this sad day. flying rabbit Jul 2015 #3
Will you two boobs cut it out jberryhill Jul 2015 #6
Bazoongas! pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #12
Now see what you've started rock Jul 2015 #16
Naw, I forgive him pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #22
But do you think we're milking this thread for too much? pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #8
I'll take the milk shaken not stirred!! madinmaryland Jul 2015 #10
We don't need to hear from James Bondage here pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #13
Y'all are cracking me up! cwydro Jul 2015 #18
There's never a bad time to hear from James Bondage! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #27
Way to bust out the trifecta! flying rabbit Jul 2015 #14
Trifecta? pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #17
... flying rabbit Jul 2015 #21
Nip this in the bud NOW. HughBeaumont Jul 2015 #20
Not the sort of temperament one wants in the legislature, I would think. nt bemildred Jul 2015 #4
What would this world be without nosey neighbors?! nt haikugal Jul 2015 #28
to be able to see the breasts at 55 yards away unaided by binoculars olddots Jul 2015 #30
poor kids. Hiraeth Jul 2015 #31
What a strange reaction to have. tammywammy Jul 2015 #32
Recently Divorced/Divorcing people do all kinds of inane stuff jberryhill Jul 2015 #33
I cannot imagine going bonkers like that in front of your children. tammywammy Jul 2015 #34
Yeah, it is silly jberryhill Jul 2015 #35
My divorced friend also makes a point to never say anything disparaging about his dad either. tammywammy Jul 2015 #39

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. I'm kinda on her side...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:47 AM
Jul 2015

the deal was that the kids don't meet his girlfriend, and nobody seems to have bothered to open the door anyway when she showed up with the kids for visitation.




 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. "the deal was..."
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:00 AM
Jul 2015

And who is claiming that?

Aside from which, they've been divorced since November. She is his fiancée. He is going to get married and the "deal" was that the kids would never meet his wife? I doubt that.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Yes it is in the story
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jul 2015

Her lawyer is claiming that he had "previously agreed" they wouldn't meet her.

First, it is entirely possible that he had on a prior occasion relented to a demand that she be in charge of what goes on in his household, simply to avoid this sort of drama.

Second, there is no way that anything like that would find its way into the actual divorce and custody agreement or judgment.

But, most importantly, it has absolutely no bearing on her behavior in this episode, which calls into question her judgment and fitness as a parent.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
11. But, there are no actual witnesses to this behavior...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jul 2015

so far; and no video has popped up, although the ex claims to have taken some.

So, we really don't know what she did, or didn't do.

All we do know is that she showed up for visitation and for some reason he didn't answer the door to take the kids.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. Hmmm...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:19 AM
Jul 2015

Given the headline "Video Said To..." and the fact that she was charged, I'm inclined to believe the prosecutors office had seen the video prior to charging her with that, instead of merely taking the ex-husband's say-so.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
23. I'm inclined to think there's something else going on...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:29 AM
Jul 2015

to prosecute a local politician for lifting her shirt on private property. Why is my mind wandering off to thoughts of her rich ex having political ties of his own...

BTW, if she was wearing a bra, would lifting her shirt be indecent exposure?

And the yelling and screaming-- if it did happen, how often is it in ex-marital disputes and how often is it prosecuted?

Orrex

(63,221 posts)
19. Actually, we don't know that.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:24 AM
Jul 2015
All we do know is that she showed up for visitation and for some reason he didn't answer the door to take the kids.
The story states that she became enraged upon seeing the father's fiance; I don't see it stated that he didn't answer the door.

Also, if someone flipped out like that on my doorstep, I probably wouldn't open the door for them, either.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
24. But there are no witnesses to this rage...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jul 2015

Although there were neighbors interviewed, none said they actually saw the hysteria. Maybe they did, it's just not in the aired interviews. And no interviews with the ex or the girlfriend.

Too many assumptions with too little facts-- all leading me to wonder if the wealthy investment banker has some other reason for embarrassing his ex wife who just happens to be a local politician aiming for higher office.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. There is allegedly a video that shows something...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jul 2015

She is also charged with trespassing on the basis of refusing to leave the property.

"A responding officer politely asked Kelly to leave three separate times..." How did he magically make her not leave?

According to the charging document, Sanford played a cellphone video for police that showed Kelly ringing the doorbell “numerous times,” exposing her breasts in the direction of Sanford’s cellphone camera and then “with one breast in each hand [shaking] them up and down.”

Okay, so a police officer dispatched to the scene was instructed en route by political higher ups of the identity and ambitions of this person, in order to make up a story about the video, perhaps by County Executive Isiah "Ike" Leggett (also D) himself.

Clearly the video should be posted to the internet by Montgomery County.

Orrex

(63,221 posts)
26. As jberryhill noted above...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:57 AM
Jul 2015

Since she's been charged, it seems likely that the prosecutors have found the case against her to be sufficient to proceed.

Too many assumptions with too little facts-- all leading me to wonder if the wealthy investment banker has some other reason for embarrassing his ex wife who just happens to be a local politician aiming for higher office.
Forgive me, but that's the most pernicious assumption of all.

If the story were reversed, with an angry male politician freaking out and flashing his junk on his ex-wife's porch, no one would question it. Certainly no one would assume that his ex had set him up to embarrass him.


Since she has been charged after inviting the cop to arrest her, what exactly makes you wonder if the man is at fault?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
37. I did not make a pernicious assumption...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jul 2015

I simply asked a question.

And another question is-- why is everyone assuming the "official" story is correct?

Just for shits and giggles, imagine what the response around here would be if she was black. Would everyone so happily assume she was in the wrong when confronting an investment banker?

Orrex

(63,221 posts)
38. Your question depends on the assumption
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jul 2015

This is what you decided to wonder:

Too many assumptions with too little facts-- all leading me to wonder if the wealthy investment banker has some other reason for embarrassing his ex wife who just happens to be a local politician aiming for higher office.
Why on earth would you "wonder" this? Why would you "wonder" if the man is at fault? If a man had flashed his penis at a woman, would you "wonder" if the woman were at fault?

And another question is-- why is everyone assuming the "official" story is correct?
Why are you assuming that it's false?

Just for shits and giggles, imagine what the response around here would be if she was black. Would everyone so happily assume she was in the wrong when confronting an investment banker?
If the circumstances were otherwise the same? Yes, I would equally conclude that she is in the wrong, based on the account put forth so far.

In your imaginary version of the tale, is the "investment banker" still the woman's ex-husband? You didn't specify, and in the absence of that detail we have to wonder why she's dropping her kids off at a random investment banker's house.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. The article is unclear on that point
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:47 AM
Jul 2015
"My wife read about it on the Internet this morning," neighbor Steve Barrios stated. "It's very salacious and truly hard to believe."

It seems like the TV news crew interviewed neighbors.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
8. But do you think we're milking this thread for too much?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:04 AM
Jul 2015

I feel bad for just responding to the thread tittle and not setting the bra higher.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
30. to be able to see the breasts at 55 yards away unaided by binoculars
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 09:36 AM
Jul 2015

How large would the breasts have to be ? Was the exposure of said brests decent ?
Law stuff is important .

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
32. What a strange reaction to have.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:05 AM
Jul 2015

Why would someone bare their breasts in this type of situation. Regardless, I do agree with the trespassing violation since she was asked multiple times to leave.

Also, if you cannot have a civil relationship with an ex, drop the kids off and just watch to make sure they go into the house.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
33. Recently Divorced/Divorcing people do all kinds of inane stuff
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jul 2015

"drop the kids off and just watch to make sure they go into the house" is easier said than done for some people. I mean, that HUSSY is in there! God only knows what she will do to the children! ...that sort of thing.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
34. I cannot imagine going bonkers like that in front of your children.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jul 2015

A friend is divorced from her son's father. He's an asshole and she doesn't want to see him, so she just does the drop & watch.

And the other thing that doesn't make sense. So supposedly the father wasn't supposed to have the fiancé around the kids. If they get married, does his ex wife expect their stepmom to never ever see them or know them? That's just silly.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
35. Yeah, it is silly
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:46 AM
Jul 2015

My totally wild-assed-guess is that the fiancé had something to do with the divorce, and is thus the epicenter of all evil in the Universe as far as mom is concerned. In all likelihood, the kids don't give a shit, and unless she's a sex offender, family court doesn't give a shit either.

People have strong protective impulses toward their children, which is at is should be. Where it goes off the rails is when, in these situations, the parent has to drop the kids off to be with someone who the parent absolutely hates. Their personal sense of hatred toward this person crosses with that protective impulse, and drama ensues, regardless of whether the object of that hate is a perfectly fine person. The kids get put in the middle of these things, and they get the message that having or expressing any sort of positive reaction to the other parent's new partner will be taken as some kind of "betrayal" of their mother.... it's a rich emotional stew.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
39. My divorced friend also makes a point to never say anything disparaging about his dad either.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jul 2015

As the kid grows up, he'll realize his dad is a deadbeat.

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