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Joanie Baloney

(1,357 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:36 PM Jul 2015

Another Facebook righty- how do I answer him?

A very smart albeit misguided friend posted an article comparing the Iranian situation (and the nuclear deal, I suppose) to Neville Chamberlain and his assurance that the Nazis were no threat, etc. Besides the difference in technology enabling us to know if troops are amassing via satellites, drones, what is the real difference that would silence him? He actually deleted the post in deference to my objections, but I want to try and educate him.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

-JB

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Another Facebook righty- how do I answer him? (Original Post) Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 OP
no smart person does that Skittles Jul 2015 #1
Tru dat! Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #9
Ask him to explain the comparison in detail. The Chamberlain/Hitler thing is a tired rightwing trope arcane1 Jul 2015 #2
Yes, it is Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #6
You don't Quackers Jul 2015 #3
He is a friend Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #7
My husband, who is as blue a Dem as I am, goes to... 3catwoman3 Jul 2015 #16
Maybe go on a long tirade about nothing and Juicy_Bellows Jul 2015 #4
I love it! Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #8
Ha! I was hoping you'd find humor in it. Juicy_Bellows Jul 2015 #12
Block him--don't even try. When minds are made up, that's that. MADem Jul 2015 #5
He DID delete the post Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #10
Point him to the press conference President Obama gave. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #11
Good links! Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #18
Don't nt 7wo7rees Jul 2015 #13
If you feel like he's reachable gratuitous Jul 2015 #14
He probably won't respond favorably to a Bush comparison Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #19
I suppose you could challenge him to a friendly bet. Mister Ed Jul 2015 #15
That's a good one! Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #20
Maybe a token amount, then? Mister Ed Jul 2015 #23
Tell him the GOP would have no platform if there were nothing to compare to the Nazis. Initech Jul 2015 #17
LOL Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #21
you could let him know that the CIA already gave Iran the full instructions on how to build a nuke Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #22
Here is what I sent him (personal references deleted) Joanie Baloney Jul 2015 #24

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
1. no smart person does that
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:56 AM - Edit history (1)

it shows he is completely susceptible to brainwashing and has the mentality of sheep

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
2. Ask him to explain the comparison in detail. The Chamberlain/Hitler thing is a tired rightwing trope
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:40 PM
Jul 2015

Chances are 99.9999% that he's just parroting bullshit he heard on tv or radio. There is no comparison. He made the claim, so the burden is on him.

Don't expect much

Joanie Baloney

(1,357 posts)
6. Yes, it is
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jul 2015

Then he sent me a link to an article about it by Dennis Prager. I don't know this twit, but all signs point to asshole.

Thanks!!

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
3. You don't
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:40 PM
Jul 2015

If they are a good friend, let it go. A friendship shouldn't end over politics. If they aren't a good friend, you may consider ignoring or unfriending them. Jmo

Joanie Baloney

(1,357 posts)
7. He is a friend
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:49 PM
Jul 2015

But he is also my financial manager. My comment that caused the post to be deleted was asking him if he felt so strongly about his viewpoint that he would jeopardize losing clients over it. He doesn't want to lose clients, for sure!!

Thanks!

3catwoman3

(24,041 posts)
16. My husband, who is as blue a Dem as I am, goes to...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jul 2015

...a tax attorney who keeps a picture on his desk of President Obama with a Hitler moustache. I've told my husband that I think he should go elsewhere, but so far he has not done so.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
4. Maybe go on a long tirade about nothing and
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:46 PM
Jul 2015

Then link to some Aaron Neville video. Tell it like it is!


Well, that's what i would do!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. Block him--don't even try. When minds are made up, that's that.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:47 PM
Jul 2015

He's looking for a fight, don't give it to him.

LuvLoogie

(7,027 posts)
11. Point him to the press conference President Obama gave.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:52 PM
Jul 2015
http://www.c-span.org/video/?327122-1/president-obama-news-conference-iran-nuclear-deal

Then point him to his recent remarks on the critics.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/248683-obama-draws-line-connecting-iran-critics-to-iraq-war-backers

Tell him that you side with the President, the diplomatic teams of six nations, and the nuclear physicists corroborating the science of the inspection regime.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. If you feel like he's reachable
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jul 2015

Point out that we tried the invasion-and-occupation route twice recently, and we don't have much to show for it. Well, there's the dead soldiers, dead civilians, devastated countries, and our new best friends in ISIS, so not a total debacle trying for a military solution. The Iran deal has been brokered by a true multi-national coalition, not the sham "coalition of the willing" Bush bribed, cajoled, and threatened together. It's been approved by the UN Security Council, and is the sort of diplomatic defusing of a tense situation everyone says they want, but that some hotheads refuse to consider.

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
15. I suppose you could challenge him to a friendly bet.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:26 AM
Jul 2015

I'd like to bet him, say, a thousand dollars that within the next five years, Iran will not do anything remotely comparable to Hitler's invasion of Poland.

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
23. Maybe a token amount, then?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jul 2015

I'm thinking it might work with the sort of person you're describing: a smart and fairly well-mannered guy who works as a financial advisor.

You and he would never have to argue or discuss the matter any more, since you've both tacitly agreed that time will tell. But as the months or years go by, and the agreed-upon date draws closer, he'd be thinking about it from time to time. Perhaps, going forward, he would be more cautious about parroting other right-wing talking points.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
22. you could let him know that the CIA already gave Iran the full instructions on how to build a nuke
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:14 AM
Jul 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2006/jan/05/energy.g2

(the article labels it an "accident&quot

You can tell him the horse left that barn years ago and he can thank Bill Clinton for Iran having the bomb.

Joanie Baloney

(1,357 posts)
24. Here is what I sent him (personal references deleted)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jul 2015

Thanks for all your help. And you're right....it probably won't make a dent. But, I feel better!!

I objected to your post on many levels, XXXX. First of all, your viewpoint is one that is promulgated by the people on Fox and Friends. This is not what most people believe and by limiting yourself to living inside the Fox bubble, you are damaging your perspective. Secondly, the comparison of Iran and Nazi Germany is such a false equivalency. 80 years ago, we had no quick way of determining if a country was amassing troops or weapons until the invasion was upon us. Now, we have such advanced technology that any unusual activity by Iran will immediately be known. Thirdly, the disrespect that was shown to President Obama is unprecedented in our history and is racially motivated. You can disagree with the POTUS's policies, but you must respect the office. And fourthly, I thought you were smarter than this, XXXX.

Here are some links for you to review if you are sincerely interested in the truth and not talking points.
I am not a debater and will not engage with you on a point-by-point discussion. I am just concerned that you are putting some of your business relationships at risk.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?327122-1/president-obama-news-conference-iran-nuclear-deal
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/248683-obama-draws-line-connecting-iran-critics-to-iraq-war-backers

President Obama News Conference on Iran Nuclear Deal
President Obama holds a news conference on the Iran nuclear agreement. The deal limits the country's nuclear ability for more than a decade in return for the lifting of international sanctions and an…



-JB
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