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eridani

(51,907 posts) Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:06 AM Jul 2015

The Mess That Nuland Made

Looks like the Nazis and the government are at odds now also. More like turning the place into a war of each against all than a step forward, IMO.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/31419-the-mess-that-nuland-made

Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible U.S. mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”

To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the U.S.-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts.

So, for nearly a year and a half, the West’s mainstream media, especially The New York Times and The Washington Post, twisted their reporting into all kinds of contortions to avoid telling their readers that the new regime in Kiev was permeated by and dependent on neo-Nazi fighters and Ukrainian ultra-nationalists who wanted a pure-blood Ukraine, without ethnic Russians.

Any mention of that sordid reality was deemed “Russian propaganda” and anyone who spoke this inconvenient truth was a “stooge of Moscow.” It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east. The Times also reported that these far-right forces had been joined by Islamic militants. Some of those jihadists have been called “brothers” of the hyper-brutal Islamic State.

Though the Times sought to spin this remarkable military alliance – neo-Nazi militias and Islamic jihadists – as a positive, the reality had to be jarring for readers who had bought into the Western propaganda about noble “pro-democracy” forces resisting evil “Russian aggression.”

Perhaps the Times sensed that it could no longer keep the lid on the troubling truth in Ukraine. For weeks, the Right Sektor militias and the neo-Nazi Azov battalion have been warning the civilian government in Kiev that they might turn on it and create a new order more to their liking.

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The Mess That Nuland Made (Original Post) eridani Jul 2015 OP

Ms Nuland is too much of BlueMTexpat Jul 2015 #1

Note that there is no evidence whatsoever geek tragedy Jul 2015 #2

Parry. LOL... SidDithers Jul 2015 #3

Victoria Nuland and her PNAC crew channel Cheney. Octafish Jul 2015 #4

there's actually a critical flaw within the Dems: they assume that if we just get in the Best and MisterP Jul 2015 #5

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)

1. Ms Nuland is too much of

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:43 AM

Jul 2015

a neocon - or at least a neocon cheerleader - for me to like anything that she is associated with.

I fervently wish that she was nowhere near any responsibilities related to foreign "diplomacy."

FYI: the BBC transcript of a "leaked" phone call in re Ukraine from Feb 2014(?): http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

2. Note that there is no evidence whatsoever

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:06 AM

Jul 2015

for Parry's batshit insane, and Kremlin-induced, claim that the overthrow of Yanokovych was a US plot. That government got overthrown due to issues re: relations with the EU, and its horrid corruption.

Parry is engaging in the "big lie" approach that his patrons in Moscow have raised to an art form.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)

3. Parry. LOL...

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:12 AM

Jul 2015

Putin's stenographer.

Sid

Octafish

(55,745 posts)

4. Victoria Nuland and her PNAC crew channel Cheney.

Reply to eridani (Original post)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:19 AM

Jul 2015

It's a wonder President Obama and Sec. Kerry ever get anything done for peace.

Neocons and Liberals Together, Again

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security...

Tom Barry, last updated: February 02, 2005

The neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) has signaled its intention to continue shaping the government's national security strategy with a new public letter stating that the "U.S. military is too small for the responsibilities we are asking it to assume." Rather than reining in the imperial scope of U.S. national security strategy as set forth by the first Bush administration, PNAC and the letter's signatories call for increasing the size of America's global fighting machine.

SNIP...

Liberal Hawks Fly with the Neocons

The recent PNAC letter to Congress was not the first time that PNAC or its associated front groups, such as the Coalition for the Liberation of Iraq, have included hawkish Democrats.

Two PNAC letters in March 2003 played to those Democrats who believed that the invasion was justified at least as much by humanitarian concerns as it was by the purported presence of weapons of mass destruction. PNAC and the neocon camp had managed to translate their military agenda of preemptive and preventive strikes into national security policy. With the invasion underway, they sought to preempt those hardliners and military officials who opted for a quick exit strategy in Iraq. In their March 19th letter, PNAC stated that Washington should plan to stay in Iraq for the long haul: "Everyone-those who have joined the coalition, those who have stood aside, those who opposed military action, and, most of all, the Iraqi people and their neighbors-must understand that we are committed to the rebuilding of Iraq and will provide the necessary resources and will remain for as long as it takes."

Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings. A second post-Iraq war letter by PNAC on March 28 called for broader international support for reconstruction, including the involvement of NATO, and brought together the same Democrats with the prominent addition of another Brookings' foreign policy scholar, Michael O'Hanlon.

CONTINUED...

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/articles/display/Neocons_and_Liberals_Together_Again

That's from Rightweb. They're full of facts, for those who take the time to read and learn. One name to pay attention to is Victoria Nuland, our woman in Ukraine, who is married to PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan. Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan. Frederick Kagan's spouse is Kimberly Kagan.

Brilliant people, big ideas, etc. The thing is, that's a lot of PNAC and the PNAC approach to international relations means more wars without end for profits without cease, among other things detrimental to democracy, peace and justice.

After Kiev, it's on to Moscow. They really need the money. And PNAC members don't care who dies in stealing it.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)

5. there's actually a critical flaw within the Dems: they assume that if we just get in the Best and