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still_one

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Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:28 AM Jul 2015

The next sixty days will determine if the veto holds for the Iran deal. If you feel strongly for

this deal it would be very helpful to let your congress person and senators know by calling, emailing, or writing their office or going to town halls to let them know your feelings on this matter.

There is a lot of money being expended by lobbyist groups to try and kill this deal, and make it so a veto will be over ridden.

A couple of polls on this issue seem to present contradictory results, but looking further into the two polls, it depends HOW they are asked the question.

A Washington Post/ABC news showed Americans support the nuclear agreement with Iran by 56% to 37%.

A Pew research poll show a disapproval of the deal, 48% to 38%.

How can that be?

"The conflicting findings come from respected polling operations with long track records of accurately tracking public opinion. A Washington Post/ABC News survey released Monday found Americans supporting the deal; a poll from the nonpartisan Pew Research Center released Tuesday found disapproval.

How can both be correct? Question wording seems likely to be a big part of the answer.

The Pew survey asked people, "How much, if anything, have you heard about a recent agreement on Iran's nuclear program between Iran, the United States and other nations?" and then asked, "From what you know, do you approve or disapprove" of the agreement?

The Post/ABC poll asked a longer question that gave more of a description of the agreement:

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if you ask a war monger republicans? they'll sing their "bomb bomb bomb iran". if you ask the dems? diplomacy is the key.
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"As you may know, the U.S. and other countries have announced a deal to lift economic sanctions against Iran in exchange for Iran agreeing not to produce nuclear weapons. International inspectors would monitor Iran’s facilities, and if Iran is caught breaking the agreement, economic sanctions would be imposed again. Do you support or oppose this agreement?"


The fact that the two questions elicited substantially different responses tells a couple of important things: Public opinion about the deal remains fluid, and a significant number of people, maybe 1 in 5, are open to being swayed by the debate that will intensify over the next several weeks.

Almost 80% of those surveyed by Pew said they already had heard at least something about the nuclear agreement, with about one-third of the public saying they had heard a lot.

President Obama has made repeated public statements in support of the deal in recent days, and three Cabinet secretaries plan to testify Thursday when the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is scheduled to begin public hearings on it.

Both polls agree on a couple of other key points: Regardless of whether they approve of the deal, a large majority of Americans are skeptical of whether it will work, and partisanship strongly shapes how people feel about the agreement.

In the Pew survey, just short of three-quarters of Americans said they had little or no confidence that "Iran's leaders would uphold their side." In the Post/ABC poll, about two-thirds voiced considerable skepticism about whether the agreement would succeed in preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.

Republicans in both surveys were far more skeptical and much more likely to disapprove of the agreement than were Democrats or independents.

The Post/ABC survey was conducted July 16-19 among a random national sample of 1,002 adults and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points. The Pew survey was conducted from July 14, the day the agreement was announced, through July 20. It involved a random national sample of 2,002 adults, of whom 1,672 said they had heard at least something about the agreement, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.7 points. Both polls called both cellphones and land lines."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-fg-iran-deal-polls-20150721-story.html

I would personally add one more aspect to this. The MSM seems only too anxious to shed a negative slant on the deal. In spite of the President being very clear what this deal was about, which was preventing Iran from acquiring and developing nuclear weapons, NOT solving ALL the middle east problems, the press has continued to press the theme that the deal does not encompass enough OTHER middle east issues. The brain dead media that we call our press for the most part cannot seem to comprehend that point. When the chemical weapons were removed from Syria, some of our illustrious media argued it didn't go far enough and remove Bashar al-Assad from power.

Interesting note is this was the same media that were only too anxious to beat the drums of war for us to invade Iraq, and they helped facilitate that by perpetuating the LIE that Iraq had WMDs. There were a few courageous people and journalists who pointed out the real facts about the WMDs, such as Knight Rider, but predominate outlets such as the NY Times and the idiot box media saturated the WMD talking point.

There was a fasanating interview of Judith Miller by Jon Stewart discussing this very point. Perhaps the most damning part of that interview was the following exchange:

"On Sept. 8, 2002, she and Michael Gordon teamed up on a story headlined “U.S. SAYS HUSSEIN INTENSIFIES QUEST FOR A-BOMB PARTS.” This was the famous story on the aluminum tubes that Iraq was supposedly acquiring for its nuclear weapons program. “The diameter, thickness and other technical specifications of the aluminum tubes had persuaded American intelligence experts that they were meant for Iraq’s nuclear program, officials said, and that the latest attempt to ship the material had taken place in recent months,” noted the reporters.

Wrong, as it turned out. Those tubes were likely destined for a conventional missile program — and not long after the Sept. 8 piece, Miller and the Times were forced to walk back the reporting and note that there was some disagreement about the tubes’ intended use. But even that piece wasn’t strong enough and was buried deep within the Times’s news pages.

Pushed by Stewart on all this, Miller said she was trying to get sources to talk about their tube doubts; that she pushed for the walk-back piece; and so on. “My newspaper didn’t want to run a story that challenged the aluminum tubes angle,” said Miller."

The audience actually gasped when that remark was making. Let me repeat her excuse for NOT presenting the full picture:

“My newspaper didn’t want to run a story that challenged the aluminum tubes angle,” said Miller."

She actually went on and used the excuse was that the Newspaper did not have ENOUGH SPACE to include the challenge because there was not enough room to print it. It was an amazing interview, and the same misinformation and lies that were propagated in the media before we invaded Iraq, are a very real danger with the media's representation of the Iran deal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/04/30/jon-stewart-to-judith-miller-intel-community-was-feeding-you-on-iraq-wmd/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/30/jon-stewart-judith-miller_n_7180060.html

There is a lot of money being spent to derail this deal:

As the Senate opens a two-month congressional review of the nuclear agreement with Iran on Thursday, opponents of the deal are spending tens of millions of dollars to rally the American public and U.S. lawmakers against it.The American Israel Public Affairs Committee(AIPAC), Citizens for a Nuclear Free Iran, United Against a Nuclear Iran and the Republican Jewish Coalition are among groups that will spend between $20 million and $40 million to blast the deal with TV commercials that began airing last Friday, social media ads and new websites that include alleged flaws in the agreement and contact information for members of Congress.

The opponents' effort dwarfs that of supporters. The liberal Jewish group J Street has raised $2 million to promote the deal, said spokesman Alan Elsner. Other liberal groups, such as MoveOn.org, are also mobilizing supporters in favor of the deal, though it's unclear how much money they've raised. And President Obama is using the White House bully pulpit to make his pitch to the American people in support of the accord, which limits Iran's nuclear program for 15 years in return for lifting economic sanctions.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/07/aipac-kicks-all-out-push-kill-iran-deal

If Congress does scuttle the agreement and war breaks out, we’ll know whom to blame.

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