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mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:09 AM Jul 2015

When do children become racially divided?

Woke up this morning listening to Outlook on BBC World Service. I guess they haven't uploaded the episode yet but it touched me in a way that I felt compelled to post something here.

I can't remember the exact details but it goes something like this: A man, living in a small Texas town, suddenly gets his home raided, along with a number of his neighbors... officers in camouflage gear - paramilitary style raid. The charges? Dealing with cocaine. He and his neighbors get convicted by a jury full of people that they knew - they grew up together, played together, prayed together, had sleepovers at each others houses. He plead not guilty, but the jury found him guilty. Because it was a number of people being tried, some of the people who had been arrested took a plea deal. The problem was that the sole source of evidence had been making things up and there was nothing else backing up the claims. It took four years to get the victims names cleared; it took a governor's pardon to fully expunge the record.

At this point, I had deliberately not mentioned anything about the color of these people. It would probably not surprise you in the least that the people falsely charged were nearly all African-American. The "star witness", the sheriff, and the jury were of Caucasian descent.

What really struck me hard was the point the man was making in the interview. He knew the people on that jury. They knew him. He goes to the same church as the sheriff. Yes, there was a legal settlement (about $6 mil shared between all the victims). This guy was arrested at gunpoint, had nothing on but a bath towel (and had that removed), locked up on charges that had no basis in reality, and was incarcerated for four years. He was most upset about losing those four years not spent with his family, watching his children grow up.

Then the interviewer, Matthew Banniston, asked whether he had received an apology. No, the man did not receive an apology. The sheriff has not apologized to him even though they both still go to the same church. The people on the jury have not apologized to him. The guy would love an apology.

I'm sorry I can't remember more specifics (Outlook is on just as I'm coming to life of a morning).

So what happened? As kids, it was assumed that they were color-blind. They played together, slept over together... and then they grew up. Then divide on racial lines.

Naturally, the man and the others who were wrongly charged and incarcerated have little respect for law enforcement.

My only question is "Why". I don't think I'll ever come at an answer.

Thank you for listening/reading.

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When do children become racially divided? (Original Post) mwooldri Jul 2015 OP
generational racism just us Jul 2015 #1
In the last few years I've watched my neighborhood. Igel Jul 2015 #2

just us

(105 posts)
1. generational racism
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:20 AM
Jul 2015

just for example what do you think the world view is of the children in this neighborhood? and could this be a typical way many police forces in the south make their statement to the black neighborhoods on their place in the pecking order. They have been using fear to keep them in their place for 150 years.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
2. In the last few years I've watched my neighborhood.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jul 2015

Sometime around 3rd grade, perhaps very late 2nd grade, they start becoming divided. Usually under the influence of older siblings. "Why are you hanging out with that kid?" The first graders are an undifferentiated mass.

There's a lot of pressure to start conforming to in-group practices and norms, with older kids taking siblings and others under their wings. At that point the kids face a decision: Do I get accepted by my older siblings' peers or face rejection? It's rough on minority kids because then they have to choose which group norms to abide by. Do they assimilate to the majority, and seek approval that way? Or do they stick with their group's norms because when they get to a larger setting there'll be a group for them to be in?



Around middle school, beginning seriously in 6th grade and finishing up a couple of years later, "identity" formation is a big deal according to the psych research. Pressure to conform is then pretty universal. Those who were outliers in terms of in/out group boundaries tend to start being reeled in. Some hold out for a while, but most start acting in conformity with "their" group. They're often race-based, because that's the tradition. If you read the literature on schools, you find that there's a large group of scholars who argue that this is a good thing--the question is usually phrased, "Why do all the black kids sit at the same table?" and the answer is usually identity, group cohesion against outside threats, both preparing them for the racism that they will encounter and teaching them to spot racism and threats. The assumption is that the most important identity, what students should have as defining themselves first and foremost, is race and the correlated culture (if you're non-white).

What literature exists that doesn't say instilling deep racial divisions in the student body at that point isn't good goes agnostic.

For large cohorts the groups are fairly quickly stratified by class or neighborhood or other social affiliation. For small communities, they're not. Those whose base identity isn't predicated on race tend to have troubles later with "their" peers. (The assumption is that if you're black and wealthy, your "real" peers are black.)

A bit later individual identity is formed, once group identity is in place. Then you have problems because in a small community group cohesion gets enforced really strongly, and when there are interethnic tensions the group boundaries become highlighted. So if an individual's identity strays from the pack's, that individual has social problems.

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