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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShould the Senate Democrats support or oppose the Iran agreement by the Obama White House?
No doubt, there will be a few Democrats vote with the Republicans on this. However, we could hope that there are not enough to over-ride the President's veto?
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)should be stripped of leadership positions.
As the president said, what is the detractor's alternative plan?
kentuck
(111,110 posts)There comes a time to stand together.
blm
(113,091 posts).
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)spanone
(135,873 posts)blm
(113,091 posts)get your family and friends to do the same.
He's siding with war profiteers over best step towards peace.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)..but still agree with the agreement already signed? Otherwise, what is the alternative to keep them from continuing nuclear production of a "BOMB"?
Are we ready for more war in the Middle East? Isn't it about time to bring our people home?
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)would be my guess. We cannot survive in a continuous war.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)we cannot continue the wars in the Middle East. Those folks are going to have to figure it out amongst themselves. Their oil supplies are going to depreciate in the future because of new sources of energy. That is a reality they will have to deal with.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)just in the Middle-East
but you are right about the oil
water is next
then air
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)How do you make that happen?
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Or are you really that deluded?
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)We need to deescalate tensions ASAP!
Right-wingers and chicken hawks
are stoking fears, which lead to conflict.
Those supporting the Sunni extremists
against the secular Shia majority will
lead us all to extinction.
Sabotaging the agreement benefits 3 parties...
-Sunni extremists/Saudi Arabia
-Israel
-right-wing/MIC
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Thanks for speaking truth to power.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Whats the alternative? Nothing being done at all will risk the unity with other countries. We really need a good replacement for Jon Stweart, one who can give us the facts of the opposition we really need.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)beforeiknewbetter
(21 posts)I do know they all had representatives at the talks but many are showing concerns about the agreement .
It seems now this is just a U.S agreement only. Iran is a thorn in the side of many Middle eastern countries.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)May I suggest:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P5%2B1
As to Iran being a "thorn",
only to the Sunni extremists.
The same Sunni extremists who
perpetrated 9/11, ISIL, Al-Qaeda, Taliban.
beforeiknewbetter
(21 posts)I have to admit I haven't read everything on this.
So this is why Kerry is going to speak to the Saudis now .
I read they were very concerned about this deal if it's signed . I know they have their share of wacko extremists
there but for the most part they are an ally of the U.S
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Saudia Arabia is an oppressive theocracy
that regularly and publicly commits
human rights abuses.
Since when does a Democracy
consider a country that publicly
whips or flays people for blasphemy
an ally? hint: when they have oil.
SRSLY
They are a medieval nation with
a precious natural resource our
nation has proven it will go to
any length to secure.
We are oil addicts who ignore
the barbarism of our dealers.
beforeiknewbetter
(21 posts)We have the ability and natural resources to become independent for our own oil if need be but at what price ..
We will never be rid of oil's clutch on our government . Any viable alternative will always be blocked ..always
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)The military is already seeking
alternative fuels, as oil based
fuel supplies can make or break
a column's mobility.
Necessity is the mother of invention
beforeiknewbetter
(21 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Congress can't stop this without a veto override and they'll never get that. Truth is that the GOP doesn't want to. They just don't want their fingerprints on this. They'll get to campaign (and fund raise) on this for a few election cycles, more if Iran stirs up trouble some where. But in the long run this is a bit like the Panama Canal. We heard for a few election cycles about how Carter "gave away Our canal", but ultimately everyone forgot. We don't talk about "who lost China" anymore either.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)They make a big issue about something crying night and day how it spells doom for America. They always act like they want it killed outright. In reality they know it is the best option, but they want an issue to get the empty headed base worked up.
The Panama Canal is one. The Clinton tax hikes is another. Recently we have gay marriage and Obamacare. And now this Iran deal.
still_one
(92,394 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)This is the best deal we're going to get. The right wing alternative is to start another war.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)If they want to increase the odds of Iran getting nukes and think a major war in the region sounds like a good time, then they should try to override Obama's veto. Otherwise, giving him support seems like he way to go.
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)Nt