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GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:53 PM Jul 2015

Rep. Jared Polis (D) offered to rename the pro-GMO bill the "Deny Americans the Right To Know" Act.

The dark act bill, HR 1599, has passed in the US House of Reps and is moving on to the Senate next. Here is what an Ag trade says about today's (7/23/15) vote:

Sponsor of the bill, Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., said it works to vacate state GMO labeling laws that could ultimately create confusing standards for GMO labeling across the U.S. It favors instead a policy that requires developers of GMOs intended as food to submit a notification to the U.S. FDA before the product goes to market, and allows the FDA to require a label should the product represent a material difference from a comparable non-GMO food.

The bill also calls on FDA to allow, but not require, GMO food to be labeled as GMO, and regulates the use of the term "natural." Further, the USDA Agricultural Marketing Service may establish a program to certify non-GMO food under the bill.

In an unusual move, a procedural amendment following the passage of the bill was offered by Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., to rename the bill the "Deny Americans the Right To Know" Act. It was voted down.

That moniker is favored by bill opponents and the consumer group Center for Food Safety, which says H.R. 1599 will deny voters the right to pass state bills to label GM food. Opponents also say the bill will withhold information from consumers by not requiring affirmative GMO labels.


http://farmfutures.com/story-house-approves-voluntary-gmo-labeling-bill-hr-1599-0-130222

93% of the American public wants our food labelled and this thing went 275 to 150 to prevent labelling laws.

The tracker on this, yet to be updated for today's move:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1599
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Rep. Jared Polis (D) offered to rename the pro-GMO bill the "Deny Americans the Right To Know" Act. (Original Post) GreatGazoo Jul 2015 OP
Rec .i like it . Maybe that's what people need to hear Person 2713 Jul 2015 #1
That would be great, then at least the title would be accurate. nt Rex Jul 2015 #2
Secrecy lives in the realm of the plutocrats, they hide that which they are doing to harm others. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #3
Even if GMOs were perfectly safe...so is Betty Crocker cake mix and we label it. Rex Jul 2015 #4
You got that right about toxic boxed foods. Yes labeling for all foods and country of origin. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #6
This would be the era that Orwell predicted if not for social media and the trend to transparency. GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #5
"Gmos cause harm, to humans and to nature" Deadshot Jul 2015 #12
False. Totally false. Google is your friend. BurfBrainiac Jul 2015 #17
That's your sources? Deadshot Jul 2015 #18
You are sneering at the peer-reviewed journal AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES ? BurfBrainiac Jul 2015 #22
Some would have us accept GMO crop systems as a matter of faith GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #23
Your name is so noisy Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #31
What's that mean? Deadshot Jul 2015 #32
Classical definition of tyranny FlatBaroque Jul 2015 #7
Interesting to see all the "anti-fed", "state's rights" hypocrits now telling states they cannot.. Faryn Balyncd Jul 2015 #8
45 Blue Dog Democrats voted with the Republicans on this. jalan48 Jul 2015 #9
Thank you to my Congressman, Jared Polis. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #10
It's funny. Deadshot Jul 2015 #11
I'm not Anti GMO The Green Manalishi Jul 2015 #13
Thank you. It should be up to the consumer. nt 7962 Jul 2015 #14
And what would you gain from that information? Deadshot Jul 2015 #16
The right to make MY OWN decision. You're against that? 7962 Jul 2015 #19
GMOs are in everything. Deadshot Jul 2015 #29
Our government has no business going along with anti-science fear mongers. cpwm17 Jul 2015 #20
Here is some science for you: statistics 93% trust vaccines, 93% want GMOs labelled. GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #24
Bill Nye along with: cpwm17 Jul 2015 #26
+a million Deadshot Jul 2015 #30
Oh. So now the science backers don't like Bill Nye. Deadshot Jul 2015 #28
But you CAN label your food "no GMO", right? That would take care of it 7962 Jul 2015 #15
GMO-free labels already exist. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #21
The dichotomy is not "organic vs GMO" GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #25
How many people would have died without GMOs? DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #27
Research will set you free (from marketing hype)... GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #33

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
3. Secrecy lives in the realm of the plutocrats, they hide that which they are doing to harm others.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jul 2015

Gmos cause harm, to humans and to nature.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. Even if GMOs were perfectly safe...so is Betty Crocker cake mix and we label it.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jul 2015

There is no good reason (and it is driving some crazy) to NOT label food products. GMO or otherwise. NONE.

 

BurfBrainiac

(15 posts)
22. You are sneering at the peer-reviewed journal AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES ?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 06:48 AM
Jul 2015


That's just further evidence that profit-driven GMO corporations and their faith-based advocates are deeply, mystically under the thrall of corporate-funded "science" and the steady onslaught of corporate-funded PR, while disdaining the real stuff -- real science conducted by an MIT researcher and published in a rigorous peer-reviewed journal.

Despite sneers, any intelligent, sensible person will trust the Journal "Agricultural Sciences" any day over "The Anals of GMO-Glyphosate-Petroleum Profiteering."

I mean, really.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
23. Some would have us accept GMO crop systems as a matter of faith
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:47 AM
Jul 2015

They don't seem interested in any real discussion of the technology, its limits and its risks. So what's being advocated by some is not "science" but simply marketing. Bill Gates is a big investor in GMO now and just like with Microsoft, the attitude is "if the customer doesn't want our product then the customer is stupid."

Without discussing their science or debate, their position is very much like a religion. They even name their companies with religious terms like "my saint" in French ("Mon Santo&quot .

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
7. Classical definition of tyranny
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jul 2015

the wishes of a few overhsadow the wishes of everyone else. Minority interests rule the majority. It wont be long now.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
8. Interesting to see all the "anti-fed", "state's rights" hypocrits now telling states they cannot..
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jul 2015

...make decisions to inform their citizens.

(But then we already knew that "states right'er" were phonies.)







Deadshot

(384 posts)
11. It's funny.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jul 2015

The same people who criticize anti-vaxxers for being anti-science are the same people who are anti-GMOs.

Bill Nye was a guest host of StarTalk last week and he had a great program about GMOs. He used to be anti-GMO and now he's pro-GMO: http://www.startalkradio.net/show/cosmic-queries-gmos-with-bill-nye-part-1/

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
13. I'm not Anti GMO
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:46 PM
Jul 2015

I am VERY, even violently against anyone who would oppose labeling.

there is no such thing as 'too much information', nor 'information that I should not have' (except personal information of others), anyone not down with that can be taken out, flogged and given a necklace as far as I am concerned.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
19. The right to make MY OWN decision. You're against that?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jul 2015

Regardless of your opinion as to whether or not GMO stuff is good or bad, why shouldnt I have the right to know they're part of my food? Labels have to show sugar, salt, coloring, even water as an ingredient

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
20. Our government has no business going along with anti-science fear mongers.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jul 2015

GMO labeling makes absolutely no sense.

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/05/10/mandatory-gmo-food-label-not-backed-by-science/

The push for mandatory labeling leaves open the question of exactly what is genetic modification. Should grafting be considered a form of genetic engineering or hybridization or cross breeding of fruit? What about mutagenesis which is the dirty secret of organic farming. This is a process in plant breeding where random mutations are induced in plant DNA using chemicals or radiation. Scientists have been doing this in the laboratories since the 1930s. We now regularly eat more than 2,000 mutagenically created foods, including such organic favorites as Ruby Red grapefruits and versions of wheat used to make organic Italian pasta–all developed over years of laboratory research.

According to an article in Bloomberg Business Week, entitled “The Scariest Veggies of them all”:

Reports from the National Academy of Sciences, representing the consensus of experts in the field, say the risk of creating unintended health effects is greater from mutagenesis than any other technique, including genetic modification. Mutagenesis deletes and rearranges hundreds or thousands of genes randomly, spawning mutations that are less precise than GMOs. The academy has warned that regulating genetically modified crops while giving a pass to mutant products isn’t scientifically justified.

No doubt many in the organic farming community would strongly object to GMO labeling if it included mutagenesis as many organic seeds are derived from such a process. In an article for the Boston Review, the noted plant geneticist Pamela Ronald wrote that “some varieties of California-certified organic rice were developed through radiation mutagenesis” Organic and non-organic varieties of wheat, barley, pears, peas, cotton, peppermint, sunflowers, peanuts, grapefruit, sesame, bananas, cassava and sorghum have also been developed through a process of mutagenesis.

To be fair, even though mutagenesis results in the creation of thousands of unknown mutations, versus one or two via precision engineering, there is no evidence that even thousands of random mutations pose genuine health hazards. What’s important though is the hypocrisy factor: thousands of chemical and radiation lab-created mutations are given a free pass by those opposed to GMOs but they go hysterical when just one or two genes are altered, mapped, and tested for allergenicity. That makes no logical sense.


Almost all of the food we eat has been changed by man, much of it in major ways. Minor genetic changes in GMO's are not magically worse than all of the other genetic changes that have taken place since evolution began.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
24. Here is some science for you: statistics 93% trust vaccines, 93% want GMOs labelled.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:58 AM
Jul 2015

Blind faith in GMO food: 7%. Anti-vaxxers: 7%

You get your GMO info from an actor with an undergrad degree in Mech Engineering? Bill Nye said "one gene controls eye color" so he has not demonstrated even the most basic understanding of genetics. Genetics and Biology aren't Mechanical Engineering and they aren't about reading cue cards.

This is Marketing (not science, not ethics):


 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
26. Bill Nye along with:
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jul 2015

The American Association for the Advancement of Science:
http://www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/AAAS_GM_statement.pdf

There are several current efforts to require labeling of foods containing products derived from genetically modified crop plants, commonly known as GM crops or GMOs. These efforts are not driven by evidence that GM foods are actually dangerous. Indeed, the science is quite clear: crop improvement by the modern molecular techniques of biotechnology is safe. Rather, these initiatives are driven by a variety of factors, ranging from the persistent perception that such foods are somehow “unnatural” and potentially dangerous to the desire to gain competitive advantage by legislating attachment of a label meant to alarm. Another misconception used as a rationale for labeling is that GM crops are untested


The US National Academy of Sciences:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/24/science/la-sci-gmo-food-safety-20121025

But among scientists, there is widespread agreement that such crops aren't dangerous. The plants, they say, are as safe as those generated for centuries by conventional breeding and, in the 20th century, by irradiating plant material, exposing it to chemical mutagens or fusing cells together to produce plants with higher grain yields, resistance to frost and other desirable properties. Now they want to insert other genes into plants to make them more nutritious, resistant to drought or able to capture nitrogen from the air so they require less fertilizer, among other useful traits.

"There's no mystery here," said UCLA plant geneticist Bob Goldberg. "When you put a gene into a plant ... it behaves exactly like any other gene."

Genetically engineered crops have been extensively studied. Hundreds of papers in academic journals have scrutinized data on the health and environmental impacts of the plants. So have several in-depth analyses by independent panels convened by the National Academy of Sciences.

The reports have broadly concluded that genetically modified plants are not only safe but in many respects friendlier to the environment than nonengineered crops grown via conventional farming methods.


The American Medical Association
http://gmopundit.blogspot.com/2012/06/american-medical-association-opposes.html

During a conference in Chicago, AMA's House of Delegates also adopted a report reaffirming there is no evidence that the genetic modification process presents any unique safety issues and recognizing the potential benefits of the technology.

The council's decision to oppose labeling comes amid California's consideration of legislation that would require genetically modified foods sold in grocery stores to be labeled. Beyond its potential to create unnecessary alarm for consumers, a review by the independent state legislative analyst points out the measure would cost the state and its taxpayers millions of dollars to implement and to pay for lawsuits.

The AMA report is consistent with the findings of a majority of respected scientists, medical professionals and health experts. As the AMA has cited previously, a highly regarded 1987 National Academy of Sciences white paper states there is no evidence that genetically modified foods pose any health risks. The report also reaffirms the council's policy recommendation in a December 2000 report stating "there is no scientific justification for special labeling of genetically modified foods."

Additionally, there have been more than 300 independent medical studies on the health and safety of genetically modified foods. The World Health Organization, the National Academy of Sciences, the American Medical Association and many others have reached the same determination that foods made using GM ingredients are safe, and in fact are substantially equivalent to conventional alternatives. As a result, the FDA does not require labels on foods with genetically modified ingredients because it acknowledges they may mislead consumers into thinking there could be adverse health effects, which has no basis in scientific evidence.


You're just like right-wing global warming deniers that make it all about Al Gore.

Deadshot

(384 posts)
28. Oh. So now the science backers don't like Bill Nye.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:11 PM
Jul 2015

Interesting. Everyone loves him until he talks about GMOs.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
15. But you CAN label your food "no GMO", right? That would take care of it
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jul 2015

Most mfgs would put that on their foods which would ALMOST accomplish the same thing. It still sux though

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
21. GMO-free labels already exist.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:56 AM
Jul 2015

Maybe people could some amazing powers of deduction to figure out what a food without that label may or may not contain.

Seems like a solution already exists, but for whatever reason, some people are insistent on applying a highly-charged and unnecessarily-stigmatized label to foods not made by organic manufacturers.

A mystery to me.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
25. The dichotomy is not "organic vs GMO"
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:04 AM
Jul 2015

Many farmers are returning to non-GMO corn. They aren't going to organics just non-GMO:

In the latest example proving that despite the federal subsidy system, farmers are capitalists too (see also “What Drought? Farmers Keep Planting Almonds, and Calif.’s Economy Is Just Fine”), the Des Moines Register reported on Monday that non-GMO corn and soy are back in style. Sales of products that are certified GMO-free by the Non-GMO Project hit $8.5 billion last year, up from $1.2 billion in 2011, the paper points out, and while that’s a small fraction of the $630 billion spent on groceries annually, it’s enough demand to spark a change on the supply side, spurring farmers to ditch the transgene seeds for old-fashioned corn and soy.


http://www.takepart.com/article/2015/04/20/more-money-non-gmo-corn-soy?cmpid=tp-ptnr-eatlocalgrown


We are subsidizing GMO crop systems to the tune of $8 billion a year because the technology does not pay for itself. As that article details, GMO has raised costs for farmers above what corn sells for. It is not cost-effective so like just like going to Congress to stop the consumer from having a choice, the GMO system sellers went to the Fed to subsidize their failed technology.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
27. How many people would have died without GMOs?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

Without GMOs, I guess it would be...1 billion? 2 billion? I know American would have been OK since we're wealthy, but much of the 3rd world would have starved to death.

Thankfully GMOs are able to increase crop yields and actually feed the world.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
33. Research will set you free (from marketing hype)...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015
Turns out, though, that both assertions in BIO's statement are highly questionable. Washington State University researcher Charles Benbrook has demonstrated that the net effect of GMOs in the United States has been an increase in use of toxic chemical inputs. Benbrook found that while the Bt trait has indeed allowed farmers to spray dramatically lower levels of insecticides, that effect has been more than outweighed the gusher of herbicides uncorked by Monsanto's Roundup Ready technology, as weeds have rapidly adapted resistance to regular doses of Monsanto's Rounup herbicide.

And in a new paper (PDF) funded by the US Department of Agriculture, University of Wisconsin researchers have essentially negated the "more food" argument as well. The researchers looked at data from UW test plots that compared crop yields from various varieties of hybrid corn, some genetically modified and some not, between 1990 and 2010. While some GM varieties delivered small yield gains, others did not. Several even showed lower yields than non-GM counterparts. With the exception of one commonly used trait—a Bt type designed to kill the European corn borer—the authors conclude, "we were surprised not to find strongly positive transgenic yield effects." Both the glyphosate-tolerant (Roundup Ready) and the Bt trait for corn rootworm caused yields to drop.

Then there's the question of so-called "stacked-trait" crops—that is, say, corn engineered to contain multiple added genes—for example, Monsanto's "Smart Stax" product, which contains both herbicide-tolerant and pesticide-expressing genes. The authors detected what they call "gene interaction" in these crops—genes inserted into them interact with each other in ways that affect yield, often negatively. If multiple genes added to a variety didn't interact, "the [yield] effect of stacked genes would be equal to the sum of the corresponding single gene effects," the authors write. Instead, the stacked-trait crops were all over the map. "We found strong evidence of gene interactions among transgenic traits when they are stacked," they write. Most of those effects were negative—i.e., yield was reduced..


http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2013/02/do-gmo-crops-have-lower-yields
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