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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWomen’s college cancels ‘Vagina Monologues’ because it might offend women with penises, not vaginas
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/01/16/womens-college-theater-group-cancels-vagina-monologues-because-its-offensive-to-women-who-dont-have-one/Playwright Eve Ensler wrote the much-loved, much-hated series of short monologues after interviewing women about sex, love, birth and violence. It shocked many theater-goers with its intense focus on such an intimate part of the body; some found it feminist, thought-provoking and liberating, others found it crass and demeaning.
Now its got some feminists offended, too.
As first reported in Campus Reform, a theater group at a womens college says it will stop showing the play forever.
The decision to end an annual Valentines Day tradition was debated on campus at Mount Holyoke College in South Hadley, Mass., as are so many things about female identity.
The student-run theater groups leaders asked the dean of students to send out an e-mail asking whether they should continue to run the play, according to Julia Ferrante, a spokeswoman for the college, and then another e-mail this week announcing the results of the survey. Because of students concerns about offending transgender people, the theater group canceled the play.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)I find it offensive and insensitive
to tell transgender people to STFU
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)and 'problematizing' something just because they can
i wonder how many trans women were actually even involved in this decision
Igel
(35,362 posts)There are people whose offendedness is evidence of others' offensiveness. You don't question the authenticity of their offendedness. They're on our team and their feelings must be given all due importance, which is a heck of a lot. We tell others that we don't like that they must not be offensive. Interpretations matter; intent doesn't. Words hurt, whatever their intent.
There are people whose offendedness is evidence that they need to be offended and that we're doing good. You don't question the importance of their offendedness, except to say how important it is to offend them. They're not on our team and we must ignore their feelings, or even be glad when we offend them. Words hurt, especially when intended. And if we're challenged, we may stand by that or weaselly say that we're just celebrating our ___________ and they should mind their own business and stop oppressing us.
But what to do when the means of offending the right people sudden offends people we think are right? Do we insist on our freedom of expression and right to be offensive? Or do we celebrate the authenticity of their (possible) feelings and suppress what we say to avoid giving offense, as we insist others do? Our values suddenly are in conflict with each other and we're in need of values clarification.
This is one, I'd argue the most consistent, outcome. Risibly so. It also points out a real fault-line in thinking. It's not about freedom of expression and celebrating something; it's about offending the right versus the wrong people.
Meanwhile, I'm still hoping this is from The Onion or some such site.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)trans people have real problems, and the vagina monologues and drag queens, are not their problems. i feel like these issues only crop up when trying to cater to a very exclusive and wealth group of individuals, not trans people overall.
while trans people (women and poc, particularly) are dying (through murder and suicide), this shit is really not their primary concern.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)in certain fields of study, where it seems that forgetting the point has become a high art!
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)who seem to never encounter people in the real world with real problems.
Popcorn 51
(84 posts)In simple language - Just doing the right thing instead of hyperventilating over wild theories.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I think you likely speak truth.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
Warpy
(111,367 posts)This is beyond stupid, almost as stupid as the word jumping and other bullying we see here every day, always done on someone else's behalf.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Not unexpected around here but still pretty ugly. (And it was the student theatre board that made the decision; RTFA!)
Warpy
(111,367 posts)You are twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to be offended on someone else's behalf.
GOOD bye.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Journeyman
(15,041 posts)so what does your "e-f clue" say about you?
https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/facultyprofiles#y
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)pnwmom
(109,000 posts)so they would be the he's.
From the article in the OP:
*Biologically born female; identifies as a woman
*Biologically born female; identifies as a man
*Biologically born female; identifies as other/they/ze
*Biologically born female; does not identify as either woman or man
*Biologically born male; identifies as woman
*Biologically born male; identifies as other/they/ze and when other/they identity includes woman
*Biologically born with both male and female anatomy (Intersex); identifies as a woman
Popcorn 51
(84 posts)Is that what this is about?
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)Popcorn 51
(84 posts)pnwmom
(109,000 posts)are extremely idealistic and went a little too far.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I can't believe anyone whose seen it wouldn't find this ridiculous in the extreme.
It's absolutely NOT just for women. My husband counts the Vagina Monologues as one of his favorite shows. It's message transcends gender.
Vinca
(50,313 posts)abakan
(1,819 posts)Would it offend fewer people?
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Response to uhnope (Original post)
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Once that train gets rolling it becomes VERY hard to stop.
Peacetrain
(22,879 posts)Right now I am speechless..
Dr. Strange
(25,925 posts)In his blog, this protester urges the Olney Theatre to "Take It Down", stating: "While our nation is under attack by white supremacist terrorists from Confederates and their Nazi allies, the Olney Theatre Center (OTC) in Olney, Maryland suburbs of Washington DC has decided now is a good time to have a "satire" with the hate symbol of Adolf Hitler, and a musical number to Adolf Hitler."
...
More at https://www.broadwayworld.com/baltimore/article/Protester-Urges-Olney-Theatre-to-Close-Production-of-THE-PRODUCERS-Due-to-Hitler-Jokes-Actor-Responds-20150724
I have a plan.
1. Write a play involving Hitler discussing vaginas.
2. Harness the resulting outrage.
3. Convert the outrage into a usable form of energy.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in the Battle of Britain, have been making Hitler jokes for years. Monty Python's Mister Hilter sketch springs immediately to mind.
All I can say about this display of toenail-chewing imbecility is
Dr. Strange
(25,925 posts)I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it alright.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)"Mister Vibbentrop, its that nice Mister MacGoering from down the street on the telephone."
"Waugh, I don't like the sound of these 'boncentration bamps!'"
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Face it, EVERYTHING is going to be offensive so someone. No, we shouldn't intentionally offend people, but we've got to stop this hypersensitivity. Give it a rest already!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)you have a hard time stopping that nonsense.
Or not.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)After reading that brain twisting nonsense, I think I will make it a double. In fact, a triple.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)Hopefully we'll get accustomed to one another and realize that we have many variations and differences, and we can celebrate one without demeaning others.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)for fear of offending trans women without menstruation.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)First they came for the Monologues, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Monologueinist.
Then they came for the Colleges, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a College.
Then they came for the Vagina, and I did not speak out
Because I have no vagina.
Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak for me.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I don't get it. Small sample, but I know two trans women and both are mystified by this.