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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 11:52 PM Jul 2015

How to Fix Our Interstates... Hint: Not with more asphalt.

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I hate the Interstate Highway System. I realize that this is an awkward time to bring this up. Many of you are no doubt planning road trips, and I’m sure you’re grateful for the fact that you do not have to traverse dirt roads in your Conestoga wagon en route to the Grand Canyon. Though I don’t know how to drive myself, I can absolutely see the appeal of barreling down the highway at top speed, singing along to Top 40 radio between bites of my delicious egg and cheese biscuit taco. I don’t begrudge you your love of the interstate, nor would I dream of dynamiting it into oblivion. Now that we have these wildly expensive marvels of modern engineering, we shouldn’t allow them to crumble, to the point where only Imperator Furiosa and Mad Max would have the guts to drive them. But we have to do something about the interstate highways, because as things stand, crumbling highways are exactly what we’re going to get.

In case you’ve missed the latest highway news, the Senate and the House have been battling it out over which idiotic short-term fix we ought to settle for in order to keep federal highway funding flowing for the next few months or the next few years. One group of lawmakers, led by Sens. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, and Barbara Boxer, D-California, has devised a grab bag of revenue-raisers, from selling off oil in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to hiking various custom fees to funky maneuvers involving the Federal Reserve that I won’t even pretend to understand. This deal, backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, would have financed the highways for the next three years. Another group, led by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, wants to link highway funding to a broader overhaul of corporate taxes, with an eye toward encouraging U.S. multinationals to bring profits back home from their foreign subsidiaries. For now, however, Republicans in both chambers appear to have coalesced around a short-term solution that will fund the highways for the next three months to buy time.

What’s so awful about these stopgap proposals? For one thing, they don’t fully account for the fact that most of the Interstate Highway System needs to be rebuilt, as the highways were built to last about 50 years, and the system was first established in 1956. Even with the best maintenance money can buy, you can only extend the life of these old roads by so much. How much will it cost to rebuild these highways, and to expand them to accommodate increases in traffic? Robert W. Poole Jr., a transportation expert at the Reason Foundation, estimates that it will take roughly $1 trillion. Others have estimated that reconstruction and modernization could cost as much as $3 trillion. You will be shocked to learn that Congress has barely begun to think through what it will take to rebuild and upgrade our highways.

In a perfect world, we could
hop in a time machine and
convince Ike that the Interstate
Highway System was in fact
a terrible idea.

But our real challenge is not squeezing out just enough money to keep our existing interstate highways in good working order. Nor is it figuring out how to find a trillion, or trillions, of dollars to pay for an upgrade. It is facing up to the fact that the Interstate Highway System has helped drain the life out of our big cities and figuring out a better, smarter, more sustainable way to connect Americans from one end of the country to the other.


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How to Fix Our Interstates... Hint: Not with more asphalt. (Original Post) Agschmid Jul 2015 OP
marking to read later. Thanks! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #1
Thanks to the interstates I can take my family to Florida from Texas in a week snooper2 Jul 2015 #2
Agree on dumbest article. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #6
I love road trips! 8 track mind Jul 2015 #3
Oh, but you can! Assuming you're going from Wash. DC to Orlando Fl or Trailrider1951 Jul 2015 #20
thanks for sharing the libertarian solutions. btw the interstate is concrete, not asphalt nt msongs Jul 2015 #4
Didn't say I agreed with the solution, but we certainly should spend more time talking about it... Agschmid Jul 2015 #5
"Though I don’t know how to drive myself" oberliner Jul 2015 #7
Yah for the most part I agree, it's an odd article. Agschmid Jul 2015 #8
Rt 66 is my home town newfie11 Jul 2015 #9
Route 66 (or at least when it was that) Runs 2 Blocks South of My House ProfessorGAC Jul 2015 #11
Yes I was in Albuquerque when 44 came through newfie11 Jul 2015 #19
Welcome to garage-sale America.. sendero Jul 2015 #10
These days it's not near the adventure (driving to unknown places) that it once was. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #12
that is so irritating Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #17
Environmentally speaking The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #13
And still do. nt raouldukelives Jul 2015 #15
When I got my driver's license about forty years ago... hunter Jul 2015 #14
The roads around here are in such disrepair Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #16
Yes that's very true in Mass as well. Agschmid Jul 2015 #18
Tax the rich, rebuild infrastructure, create JOBS Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #21
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
2. Thanks to the interstates I can take my family to Florida from Texas in a week
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jul 2015

dumbest article ever


I suggest the author travel at least 300 miles on 55 North, look at cornfields and the fucking river, and re-write

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
6. Agree on dumbest article.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:00 AM
Jul 2015

Written by someone who apparently doesn't know how to drive.

And ignorant of money spent of road construction creates jobs and gets spent back into communities several times.

The problem with letting the GOP decide how to spend money is how much is siphoned off into corrupt deals. Some of that happens on the left side of the aisle too, but if the GOP is in charge, you can count on a large portion going missing.

I have an idea for how the GOP can come up with the money, namely don't start any more fucking wars, and divert those wasted funds into infrastructure.


8 track mind

(1,638 posts)
3. I love road trips!
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jul 2015

But there are times i wish i could load my vehicle onto a train and hang out in the dinner car until i reach my destination. Off load the vehicle, and make a short trip to my destination. I believe they do this sort of thing in Europe

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
5. Didn't say I agreed with the solution, but we certainly should spend more time talking about it...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jul 2015

Also in the NE interstates are asphalt, so there is that?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
8. Yah for the most part I agree, it's an odd article.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:13 AM
Jul 2015

Maybe I shouldn't have posted it.

I would like to see us talking more about infrastructure but maybe this isn't the right article to instigate the discussion I'd like to see us have.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
9. Rt 66 is my home town
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:07 AM
Jul 2015

My Dad was an Electrician and we moved about every three months.
I was two weeks old for the first move (Lubbock TX to LA).
The interstate highways were a blessing. They reduced travel time tremendously.
Yes they need to be updated but until we have trains like Europe we still need them.

ProfessorGAC

(65,076 posts)
11. Route 66 (or at least when it was that) Runs 2 Blocks South of My House
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jul 2015

Runs through Joliet and down to my town where it then runs for around another 50 miles as the east frontage road for I-55. Lots of markers and landmarks for it around where i live.

There is a restored gas station (Standard) in a town about 30 miles south of us that has the old glass cylinder pumps. (Of course, it's not in operation. Just a piece of highway nostalgia.)

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
19. Yes I was in Albuquerque when 44 came through
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jul 2015

It just isn't the same. The little roadside places were left out then. Haven't been that way in around 30 years so have no idea what's there now.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
10. Welcome to garage-sale America..
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:40 AM
Jul 2015

.... where we sell the Strategic Petroleum reserve to fund less than 1% of our highway maintenance needs. What is next, sell the Statue of Liberty, Mount Rushmore, the Lincoln Memorial?

Time to wake up folks.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
12. These days it's not near the adventure (driving to unknown places) that it once was.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jul 2015

The sheer amount of people and vehicles has turned the "Hair waving in the breeze" into trying to stay back 3 car lengths and hoping that another idiot will not squeeze between you and the car in front..

Having said that, I still love the damn things.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
17. that is so irritating
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:15 AM
Jul 2015

that and the truckers who signal and just TAKE the right-of-way and force you to slam on your brakes instead of them waiting until it is safe for them move over.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
14. When I got my driver's license about forty years ago...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:41 AM
Jul 2015

... I was expecting the automobile culture would be dead by now.

I've never liked automobiles, especially the gasoline or diesel sort. They are stinky noisy expensive things that kill and maim people.

Nevertheless, when I was younger I did more than my fair share of driving.

My wife and I were Los Angeles commuters when we met, but we've avoided that lifestyle, most especially once we had children, who are all now 21+ adults. When our kids were infants and toddlers we were able to manage our work schedules so one of us was always home. We never did daycare. I'd also take our babies to my wife's work so they could nurse.

One of our kids now commutes (in a Prius...), an adaption to California's impossible Bay Area housing costs, where wages seem high until you look at the rents.

I drive a mid-eighties $800 car with a salvage title. I also have the mechanical skills to keep it going, barring any major engine failure. I have less than zero interest in cars. If someone gave me a new car, no matter how wonderful, I'd give it away as fast as I could.

Personally I don't care if the Interstate Highway system rots.

In my Utopia the maximum speed limit for anything but emergency vehicles is 35 miles per hour, including airplanes. Passengers and freight are moved long distances by ambling electric trains, and vacations are long enough to enjoy the ride.

Everyone is in too much of a hurry, and for what? We're all racing along the highway to hell, faster, faster, faster...

What our economists call "productivity" is a direct measure of the damage we are doing to the earth's natural environment and our own human spirit.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
16. The roads around here are in such disrepair
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jul 2015

that you cannot drive down the road without breaking your windshield.

In the past few months, I had to rent two cars. Both were returned with broken windshields.

My new car that I just bought also sports one.

It is maddening.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
18. Yes that's very true in Mass as well.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jul 2015

Our bridges are also very rusted out, there is an effort to replace many of them but just looking at them driving down the highway is unnerving.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
21. Tax the rich, rebuild infrastructure, create JOBS
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:58 PM
Jul 2015

It ain't that complicated.

Tax the rich.

That has to be the first step. There's hardly any money left to raid in the food stamp and public school budgets. Unprecedented hoarding of wealth going on.

In case anyone is still confused, TAX THE RICH.

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