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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 03:00 AM Jul 2015

The sum of all atrocious acts done by humans against humans throughout history pales in comparison..

...to what is done to animals in a single year. Animals are the the most defenseless and the most exploited group that exists.

That is why I don't think arguments of the form "why do you care about a lion while human group XYZ is suffering?" fly.

By that standard, no one is ever allowed to care about an animal because there will always exist a human somewhere on the plant who is being mistreated who comes first.

The paradigm that animals have no rights and no value beyond that of a commodity, and that human interests should always be placed above non-human interests, is what drove many species to extinction or near extinction in the first place. That we are slowly moving away from that paradigm is a good thing, not a bad thing.

That, and I think that people who respect nature and respect animals are also more likely to treat other humans well (and sociopaths often target animals before they target humans), so the human-centric pragmatist gets something too. It is not a zero-sum game.

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The sum of all atrocious acts done by humans against humans throughout history pales in comparison.. (Original Post) redgreenandblue Jul 2015 OP
k/r 840high Jul 2015 #1
It is only natural to care about animals as well as humans and to point out when injustice is done world wide wally Jul 2015 #2
I think the reason for that is that many people feel that since we are human LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #3
We are in the middle of the second great mass extinction. This one is caused by humans. tecelote Jul 2015 #4
We've killed off half of the non-human vertebrates on the planet over the last 45 years n2doc Jul 2015 #5
K and r. cwydro Jul 2015 #6

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
2. It is only natural to care about animals as well as humans and to point out when injustice is done
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:01 AM
Jul 2015

Yes, even animals deserve justice

LostOne4Ever

(9,289 posts)
3. I think the reason for that is that many people feel that since we are human
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:33 AM
Jul 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]we should care about what happens to other humans more than what happens to any animal.

And to a degree, I think that they have a point. Very few people are going to value the life of a single ant to that of a full grown lion. Even less are going to care about the deaths of billions of bacteria when we wash our hands.

That said, animals like lions are very different from ants and bacteria. They are large thinking sentient animals who feel and are capable of social interactions. Further, they are also a species on the brink of extinction. This pushes their value up almost to the same level as a human being in my opinion.

I think caring about them, or similar animals like the five elephants that were killed is also extremely important.[/font]

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
4. We are in the middle of the second great mass extinction. This one is caused by humans.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:48 AM
Jul 2015

Add to that how horribly we treat factory farm animals.



This is a true crisis. Yet, few really care.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
5. We've killed off half of the non-human vertebrates on the planet over the last 45 years
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jul 2015

If some group had killed off half of the humans on the planet over that timespan, would that not be front and center?

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