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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe New York Times’ humiliating Judith Miller déjà vu: How its Hillary investigation went so wrong
Deputy executive editor Matt Purdy blames the publication's sources for its erroneous reporting. Sound familiar?ERIC BOEHLERT, MEDIA MATTERS
I was wrong because my sources were wrong. Former New York Times reporter Judith Miller, 2005.
We got it wrong because our very good sources had it wrong. New York Times Deputy Executive Editor Matt Purdy, 2015.
One of the most baffling elements to The New York Times botched story about a fictional criminal investigation bearing down on Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email account is the seemingly shrug-of-the-shoulders response from the Times editors who are ultimately responsible for the newsrooms black eye.
Rather than signaling that theyre drilling down to find out exactly what went wrong and how such a painfully inaccurate story landed on the Times front page (there is no criminal investigation), to date editors seem content to simply blame sources for giving Times reporters bad information.
This story demands more than a promise to do better the next time, and more than a shrug, wrote Norm Ornstein in The Atlantic. Someone should be held accountable here, with suspension or other action that fits the gravity of the offense.
But theres no indication thats going to happen, largely because theres no indication editors blame the reporters or themselves for the embarrassing failure. Instead, they mostly fault sources who gave the Times bogus information about an alleged criminal probe of Clinton sought by two inspectors general.
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http://www.salon.com/2015/07/30/the_new_york_times_humiliating_judith_miller_deja_vu_how_their_hillary_investigation_went_so_wrong_partner/
Cha
(297,298 posts)Mahalo Don
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Iraq had no WMD. At all. Nada. Total fabrication.
By contrast, Hillary did send information, that was classified at the time it was sent and still is today, using a server in her house that was unsecure, which is not allowed by law. So, national security has been compromised so Clinton wouldn't have to carry two phones. We just don't know the particulars of how it occured, e.g., was she sent info that was not properly marked as confidential, or did she forget it was confidential, etc.
If she had simply used her work email account for work, like all the little people do, this would not have been an issue.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)ever classified.
There is disagreement between the CIA/intelligence people and the State Department about whether the material was classified.
It is also tendentious to claim that every document which is putatively classified endangers national security if leaked.
Certainly anyone who had defended Edward Snowden would reject such a claim.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)"The IC IG found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of 40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system."
Why classify info other than for national security?
Edward Snowden released info to inform us about the outrageous garbage going on in our Executive branch of government. Clinton released info because - she claims - she didn't want to carry two cell phones.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Care to guess what "IC" stands for?
You're not that naive.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)At all.
Interesting.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The problem is that you apparently do not understand what you wrote.
The IC disagreed post hoc with the State Dept's classification decisions. That is all you have established.
The IC IG also found that there is no overclassification inside the IC.
Feel free to blindly trust the CIA at your own peril.
Also, your claim that Clinton "released info" is blatantly false. Please don't make shit up.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Sec'y Clinton's neck, your goal cannot be accomplished at this time; the information was not classified by the Department overseeing/controlling classified info in the State Dept. Another Department, in another office outside of the State Department, decided it was classified, and still another Department outside of the State Department says the info is not classified. Therein lies the conflict, at least one department saying it is classified, while at least two others say it isn't.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Op-Ed columnists and television personalities, you don't pay me to do your research so, do it yourself. BTW, thanks for not denying you would love slipping the hangman's noose around Sec'y Clinton's neck.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)You have not. We can leave it to readers to decide.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)I have other priorities in my life, e.g., handling the research for the aforementioned clients.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Since I approved the final galley proofs on my next book yesterday.
Whew!
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)she didn't send the mail.
merrily
(45,251 posts)The Times is not going to reveal its sources, but those are still good questions.
Another good question: Why did the NYT trust those sources so implicitly?
All the President's Men, the film about Woodward and Bernstein and Watergate, showed that Editor Bradlee required Woodward and Bernstein to get corroboration for everything Deep Throat told them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_the_President%27s_Men_%28film%29
Whatever happened to that kind of stuff?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)Everyone has to be first even if they are wrong. I don't get it
Oh and Breaking News has to be actually Breaking not from 2 days ago . . . (sorry pet peeve)
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)this was a deliberate attempt to derail Hillary.
screw the times.
and you can bet this 'criminal investigation' will be used against her....truth means nothing
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)for the journalists to stand up and take responsibility for not correctly doing journalists work properly. If the journalists reputation is spoiled, then so be it. If the NYT is going to get its reputation back on track then start checking the journalists sources if necessary, if not then they don't care about their reputation either.
George II
(67,782 posts)....Woodward and Bernstein. They had a LOT more information than they reported on (which turned out to be true), but they couldn't get corroboration so they refused to print it. THAT is responsible reporting!
calimary
(81,310 posts)"First, you have to admit you have a problem."
And it doesn't appear the NYTimes has any notion that they have a problem here. If they had, then another judith miller-esque episode would not happen. Could not happen. But the NYTimes didn't own up to it then, and they're not doing it now, either. I suspect that reporter, Michael J. Schmidt, or his editors (or both), had another agenda. They were already pre-disposed toward Hillary supposedly being "up to something." They had their conclusion already "written". And then they found something that looked like back-up, believed they finally had their long-wished-for "gotcha!" moment, and they ran with it.
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)...lol...