Poppy Bush told Ed Koch 'nothing I can do' to stop your assassin, yet he ran CIA & Op CONDOR.



'I’m sorry, Ed. There’s nothing I can do': Shocking untold tale of the Chilean government's plot to KILL Ed Koch...and how CIA director George Bush couldn't help

* Then a New York congressman, Koch won the ire of South American dictators he'd begun a crusade to help oust in the name of democracy

* Exiled Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier was assassinated days before Koch was warned in a shocking act of terrorism in Washington

* A new book links the threat on Koch to what was known as Operation Condor, a top secret terrorism corps involving Pinochet and other despots

In The Condor Years, John Dinges reveals Bush knew of Condor threats against Koch but failed to warn him until Letelier's spectacular murder

By JOSHUA GARDNER
Daily Mail (London), PUBLISHED: 10:58 EST, 18 February 2014

Ed Koch's status as a beloved New York City mayor hid a shocking untold history: the late politician was the target of a widespread South American terror operation's 70s-era assassination plot, a new book revealed Tuesday.

While still serving as a New York congressman working to oust ruthless despots from beleaguered countries like Chile and Uruguay, Koch received a phone call in 1976 from then-CIA Director George H.W. Bush telling the future mayor to watch his back.

Just days before, Washington saw its worst act of terror ever when an exiled Chilean ambassador was snuffed out with a car bomb on Embassy Row. Bush called to tell Koch he was next, and there was nothing he could do.

'Listen, my agents have gotten news that there’s a contract out on your life,' Bush told the horrified four-term congressman in a conversation recalled to author John Dinges by Koch.

SNIP...

Cue Operation Condor: an alliance of six Latin American countries led by Chile and Pinochet which formed secretly as a means of collaborating when one country wanted an enemy on foreign soil dead.

CONTINUED...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562159/Shocking-untold-tale-Chilean-governments-plot-KILL-Ed-Koch-CIA-director-George-Bush-help.html

As well as the Church Committee Hearings on Covert Action in Chile and Assassination Plots. I do not recall anything about Ed Koch. How is it that you have decided he was some sort of target? Because he denounced the national security states, with no power to do anything to influence them? Perhaps he was a target. I don't know. I do know that we have clear evidence that many other tens of thousands of people were killed, tortured, and disappeared during that period.

It's clear the Chilean intelligence services were behind the bomb that killed Letelier and Moffitt, and the NSArchives have obtained US documents through FOIA requests demonstrating that the US government failed to act to prevent it, despite knowing of Chile's ongoing assassination plots through Condor. http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB199/ But why Ed Koch? Letelier had been a loyal supporter of Allende, had been targeted and tortured by the Pinochet government, and was a spokesman for the Chilean resistance. They wanted him dead. Why does an American mayor need to be injected in the story, as though the deaths of a former Ambassador and his US assistant aren't enough?

The established historical reveals a legacy far more brutal and deadly than your creative speculation. Yet for some reason, you want to focus only on high-profile American figures, as though the deaths of tens of thousands of Chileans, Argentinians, Brazilians and Uruguayans aren't enough. The US of course financially supported those governments and installed some of them, as in the case of Pinochet. They also trained torturers at the School of the Americas. This began before Pappy Bush and extended well beyond him. Then CIA Director Richard Helms ran the coup operation in Chile, and of course we know Kissinger was heavily involved (the one incident he refused to discuss in a recent film biography). The history is far worse and more extensive than one evil family. Is is in fact the history of US imperialism and the Cold War. Yet somehow you seem far more concerned with a few famous Americans. If you want to read something truly horrific, see this: http://utpress.utexas.edu/index.php/books/cattop
The original documents in Portuguese can be accessed on Microfilm at a number of US libraries, including at UT Austin, or online http://bnmdigital.mpf.mp.br/#!/ Or the work of the Truth and Reconciliation commission released last year: http://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2014/12/consulte-integra-do-relatorio-final-da-comissao-nacional-da-verdade.html
What is astounding about the Brazilian case is that torture has conducted in open court and carefully documented, a function of the bizarrely juridical nature of Brazilian culture. You won't find the names of Ed Koch, George H. W. Bush, or any of your other favorites. you will find thousands of others: ANGELINA GONÇALVES, ANTÔNIO JOSÉ DOS REIS, SEBASTIÃO TOMÉ DA SILVA, LABIBE ELIAS ABDUCH, OTÁVIO SOARES FERREIRA DA CUNHA, and thousands more. You can even see some of their faces. http://estaticog1.globo.com/2014/12/10/MortoseDesaparecidos_1950-1969.pdf For the remarkable story of how these documents came to first be published, the chapter on Brazil in this book is as compelling as any mystery story. http://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Universe-Settling-Accounts-Torturers/dp/0226893944

And of course the US had knowledge of the ongoing torture yet continued to support the government anyway. http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB478/

My problem with "creative speculation" is not that it blames "corporatists and oligarchs," as one poster commented. Rather that it makes the issues small, neat and tidy. If the history of US support of terror and assassination were limited to one family, that would make it so much easier, wouldn't it? But it's not. It runs throughout US history during the Cold War, even before and since. It is the history of US empire and brutal defense of capitalism. It has brought us cheap oil, copper, fruit--the bananas you buy today at the store, all come with a legacy of brutal repression and murder. It is not simply about Jimmy Hoffa or Ed Koch, or the fault of the BFEE. It is America; it is part of all of us. Conspiracy theories eschew that in order to tie it all up into easy packages, to engage in simplistic pointing at bad guys, as though life were a tightly scripted movie. If only it were so simple. If only fault lay with the BFEE to the exclusion of Democratic presidents like Truman, JFK, LBJ, and Carter. If only one or two maleficent CIA directors were responsible rather than the entire intelligence apparatus of the US government. If only it weren't central to the American project and our position in the world. If it is a Bush family evil empire, it is an American Evil Empire, an empire of which we all are part. If you ever had the occasion to travel to Latin America, you would know you are viewed through that lens, even called an imperialist. That is not because of one American family. It is the legacy of the nation.

From GWU's National Security Archive:

or even bother to read my post, I don't see any point in even trying to have a discussion.

Including this part.

Sadly some here are treated better than others, like the person you are replying to. Looks like you pissed off the local concern troll enough to make them make their own thread!

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH doesn't work for me.

From 2006, Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

Know your BFEE or "Hey, America! Wake Up and Smell the Sulfur!"

Few today remember a most heinous terrorist act: The assassinations of former Chilean ambassador Orlando Letelier and American Ronnie Karpen Moffit.



Ms. Moffit was an American citizen murdered by agents of a foreign government on U.S. soil. Her only crime was being with Orlando Letelier, whose crime was to speak out against the military coup that toppled the democratically elected Chilean government he served. Because he refused to turn over the Chilean secret police and their American contacts, these assassinations were allowed, if not sanctioned, by George Bush, then director of central intelligence and head of the CIA.

As with all things having to do with the BFEE, the world get worse. So, a reminder:

October will mark the 30th anniversary of another most heinous terrorist act: The bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner that killed 73 passengers and crew. The pilots reported the blast caused their aircraft to catch fire and they were burning up as they attempted an emergency landing. The plane crashed into the Caribbean, a few miles west of Barbados. All aboard perished, including a close friend of the Great DUer malaise.



Cubana Airlines DC-8 like the one bombed by BFEE members Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch. Both turds have been protected by Poppy and Baby Doc Bush and the CIA, which strangely has been loyal to them rather than to various presidencies before and in-between.

Here’s an excellent essay based on the facts:

At least there was some feeble day late dollar short attempt the hold Pinochet to account. Kissinger just gets the glad hand from too many leaders. Makes me retch.

Have YOU ever traced the Bush family tree back as far as you can? Look at the names of the families that they all married into, and the ancestry becomes clear that this is one BIG family, that has been involved with Banking, Oil, Government and MIC companies for several generations. They keep honoring those of the past by giving their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and so on either the first or middle names of ancestors from almost 200 years ago, hence John Ellis Bush, George Walker Bush, Neil Mallon Pierce Bush, Marvin Pierce Bush & Dorothy Walker, all born to George Herbert Walker & Barbara Pierce Bush. George W Bush named his own daughter Barbara Pierce Bush, after his mother, and Jenna Welch Bush, whose middle name is her mothers maiden name.

Then you have all the other Prestons, Prescotts, Walkers, and so on. It would really do you some good to research this entire family... surprise! The name "Koch" even comes up in there!

Go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush#External_links , then click on the name "George Herbert Walker Bush" and it will open up tp show the family names. If you click on each one of them, especially going backwards, you will see the picture starting to develop of who and what these people really are.

Peace,

Ghost

It is no way refutes my point.

I KNOW that you didn't have time to look up the link, much less research any of the ancestors past Poppy, whose own father was involved with a bank that got its assets frozen under the Trading With the Enemies Act" from (I think) 1943 until the war was over.

I do not care.

That is most undemocratic. Maybe if I did that to you, it would bother you.

You completely ignore what I write in favor of walls of articles and text that seem to be posted to elicit admiration. You'll need to look elsewhere for that.

Not only that, you denigrate the lives of people like me by continually insisting that what matters are a few great men. I find it particularly insulting when those "great men" are accused rapists.

As for supporting rapists, that is a lie and smear.

Do you not regularly defend Julian Assange, who is evading an arrest warrant for rape? Did you not say it was wrong to refer to Bill Cosby as a rapist because he hadn't been convicted in a court of law? Then when you were called out on the disparity between your views on his presumption of innocence versus the Bushes, who likewise have not been convicted in a court of law, you distracted from your contradiction by claiming people had attacked you for posting about the BFEE.

Your loss.

That's why I wrote that a journalist does not write an accused is anything until proven guilty.

If you can't figure that out, that's your loss. It is not my business.

Certainly hasn't stopped you from labeling them.
Tell us, Octafish of DU...what crimes were they convicted of?

If I didn't write about their crimes and so on, who would, besides, the professors of criminology?

I just did.

and get back to you.

and please, no more walls of articles about the Bush family.

Besides, you aren't a journalist, and this site isn't a journalistic publication. It's a discussion board.

wtf???

Intertubes and all.

come on.

I think you're talking to someone whose grasp of history is predicated wholly on political bias. Far easier to simply pat them on their heads, bless their little hearts, and return to the somewhat more objective, peer-reviewed table where the adults are seated (and, if we listen closely, involved in the moon-landing conspiracy followed quickly by the moon bombing conspiracy-- both the fault of the BFEE.... insert 47 links to editorials lacking peer-review here, followed by a righteous and self-validating but ultimately irrelevant rant against censorship).

Somehow I felt compelled to respond, which was indeed silly of me.

Very clear in your writing.

Who else would it be?

A program entered into by Allen Dulles when Eisenhower was president, yet Corporate Owned News continue to print, falsely, that the assassination program was JFK's idea. So, here's why I would have, from the Water is Wet as all Wetwork Department:

If things had gone according to plan, Nixon would've been president during the Bay of Pigs and would've sent in the Marines, along with the Army, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard, making Allen Dulles and Meyer Lansky and all their rich and corrupt friends very, very happy.

To quote Sid Dithers:

Based on what he told FBI, I think he should be interrogated by a Grand Jury.

Poppy Bush warned FBI -- AFTER -- JFK assassinated.

In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:



Here's a transcript of the text:

We should be investigating this.

What you wrote:

Always.

Sid

That bothers me. For some reason that doesn't bother you.

Lee Harvey Oswald, for instance.

What are the odds?

It could have been the Freemasons, Bigfoot, the Trilateral Commission, the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers, or these guys...

I am now wholly convinced that it was these guys. Although, they were working with the BFEE.

Sen. Prescott Bush straightens Sen Richard Nixon's hat.

linked together to try to form some kind of conspiracy before. The suspension of disbelief required to even contemplate anything you say is more than any bad film I've ever seen.
Everything from JFK to MLK to Jimmy Hoffa. All the BFEE. Global warming? BFEE. Milk gone bad in the fridge? BFEE. DU slow to load? BFEE.

DUers asked about the BFEE, apparently to mock me or what I posted. So, I showed some of the obvious connections. I didn't know pointing out crimes by the beneficiaries of secret government corruption -- the War Party -- would make you so mad.

Rather than waxing indignant, do you have anything to say about him or those connections?

He was going to meet with mob guys when he disappeared.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa#Disappearance

A known mob hitman confessed (on his deathbed) to killing him, burning his body in a 50 gallon drum, then later crushing that drum in the trunk of a car.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/apr/23/paulharris.theobserver

Occam's Razor - the simplest explanation is most often the correct one. Which reminds me: Occam's Razor? Tool of the BFEE.

...Johnny Roselli, Sam Giancana, George deMohrenschildt.

Here's what CIA wrote in 1967 about those involved with Dallas who were murdered or died in suspicious circumstances:

And my right to say your speculation is downright insane.

You won't see me shed a tear because mobsters were killed. Hell, that's kind of a big risk in their line of business. But if you want to believe it was the BFEE with the pipe-wrench in the kitchen, then so be it.

Even someone as intelligent as you can understand that secret government agencies should not be in the murder business with the Mafia. That's why Jimmy Hoffa was called to testify. That's what makes his disappearance so harmful to democracy.

Going from the people I've asked, most Americans don't know their government went into business with the Mafia in 1960 when Ike and Nixon were in office. President Lyndon B. Johnson termed the government-criminal relationship a "damned Murder Inc. in the Caribbean." The man at CIA who approved the arrangement to hire the Mob and its killers to "eliminate" Cuban leader Fidel Castro was Allen Dulles. Sacked at CIA by Kennedy post Bay of Pigs, Dulles was named to "serve" on the Warren Commission by LBJ. For reasons that are now made clear by documents released over the past half century, Dulles and CIA failed to inform the Warren Commission and the nation of their murderous enterprise against Castro, as well as their active operational interest in Lee Harvey Oswald.

The CIA stonewalled a federal law to release its records involving CIA agent George Joannides, the agency's anti-Castro spearhead in New Orleans. For some reason, the national security state doesn't want the People to know what was Joannides doing there in regards to Lee Harvey Oswald, who came in major and public with CIA affiliated anti-Castro exiles working for Joannides, the DRE - Directorio Revolucionario Estudantil.

When the House Select Committee on Assassinations when Eddie Lopez and Dan Hardway were HSCA investigators working reading any document they wanted at CIA and making good progress in their investigation, Joannides was called out of retirement to hamper the two. You see, that's not my opinion: The CIA covered up for Murder Inc.

As opposed to what we know. For instance...

Who knew?

The connections, relationships, and beneficiaries that you mock exist and they hurt democracy.

First you are talking about Hoffa, then in the same context you offer up Thomas.

I get that in your mind those two things are intrinsically linked by the BFEE, but you probably shouldn't assume it's the same for everyone else.

Just sayin'

Oscar like.

Where do you find the time?

You should use it to show where I posted anything that is not true or in error.

Great smear!

I'd hi-five you if I could, so this will have to do instead...

He wrote this:

“Everyone is ignorant, only on different subjects.”

No wonder!

You're paranoid, alright...

You posted this...

Poppa Bush also used his influence to free a terrorists who bombed an airliner full of civilians

...yet now, you can't find fault with the BFEE.

You accuse others of "straw man" with zero basis and then construct your own strawmen just to confuse yourself.

Very telling that.

What I posted was purely factual. No imagining dots to connect required. When you post facts, I'm right there with you. When you post conspiracies that require a very active imagination, I chuckle.

Use GOOGLE and see. I don't like what you all write enough to bother bothering you.

replaced with human/alien hybrids at Area 51 to throw people off the track...

you should read more...



then they replaced Clarence Thomas with another alien hybrid... it's all there for you to see man.. if only you'd open your eyes!

sad to see anyone wasting a moment on this planet disputing historical facts and impugning the character of any poster here the way you seem bent upon smearing an informed researcher.
What use is that?
waste of energy?
disrespect?
hyena packs and liberal message boards.
who would they outsource those contracts to?

consider yourself overestimated.

Sid

Which some think is a big joke. Mostly those who defend it either vocally or financially.

Meeting with a mob boss? Couldn't just be a mob thing. It must involve the everlasting and eternal BFEE conspiracy.

Do we know where Bush Sr. was 40 years ago today? He wasn't teaching Sgt. Pepper's band to play!

Here's his most recent picture-

Snooper2 wanted to know if I’d asked DUers for money and wondered how much support I had gotten from my “fan base.”

Despite the discouragement, I shared on DU some of what I learned there:

Octafish to attend JFK assassination conference. Do you think JFK still matters?

JFK Conference: Amazing Day of Information and Connecting with Good People

After JFK Conference, when I got home, I felt like RFK.

JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings

JFK Conference: Rex Bradford detailed the historic importance of the Church Committee

JFK Conference: Lisa Pease Discussed the Real Harm of Corrupt Soft Power

JFK Conference: James DiEugenio made clear how Foreign Policy changed after November 22, 1963

JFK Conference: Mark Lane Addressed the Secret Government’s Role in the Assassination

JFK Conference: David Talbot named Allen Dulles as 'the Chairman of the Board of the Assassination'

JFK Conference: Dan Hardway Detailed how CIA Obstructed HSCA Investigation

Noah's Ark - Nov. 22, 1963 (at Oakland Community College in Michigan)

JFK Remembered: Dan Rather and James Swanson talk at The Henry Ford (like Heinz History Center, a Smithsonian Affiliated Institution.)

Seven Days in May -- tonight on TCM

Machine Gun Mouth

So, while I don't recall snooper2 for much, he or she or whatever is a snooper2 did goad me into action.

Thanks, snooper2! You really are something!

breaking arm patting myself right now...



FYI, the mob killed Hoffa, he had just finished a book outing a whole bunch of fuckers. That book was his death warrant.

This book?

https://books.google.com/books?id=y0pcCAAAQBAJ&pg=PT229&lpg=PT229&dq=jimmy+hoffa+role+in+hsca&source=bl&ots=970sfA4t3H&sig=dd_NoEfIJow0F804QE6ru26gt14&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBWoVChMIsoXWqJGDxwIVhtWACh2PuAsY#v=onepage&q=jimmy%20hoffa%20role%20in%20hsca&f=false

$500,000 when that was real money.

https://books.google.com/books?id=ZiV1F_Guiy4C&pg=PT47&lpg=PT47&dq=don+fulsom+nixon+hoffa+fbi+bribes&source=bl&ots=DGSqXcnhCY&sig=Wf5OjXa05uxAX2JJ4hX_Kr04Urw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAmoVChMInNeG0KGDxwIVQuqACh36zADu#v=onepage&q=don%20fulsom%20nixon%20hoffa%20fbi%20bribes&f=false

And the Dics have been running things for years .

Apart from efforts by Democrats like Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and John Kerry, It's been all-war, all-the-time since.

The very words of George W Bush, uttered at a press conference in which not a single of the callow, cowed press corpse saw fit to ask a follow-up. And then he laughs.