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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:43 PM Jul 2015

Why "more of the same" is a recipe for disaster (IMO, of course)

I think we've been steadily brainwashed since the 1970's. The economy went sour, and the Corporations and Wall St. Elites began a successful con job to take advantage of people's fear and discomfort. "Give us Corporations and Wealthy investors what we want, and let us steer the ship, and you will automatically benefit too."

And we the people bought into it. We bought into Orwellian logic like "Outsourcing your job will save your job." and "Cutting your wages will make you more prosperous eventually."

Republicans are most associated with this, and for good reason. But plenty of Democrats aided and abetted it -- and in some cases have been worse than Republicans.

In addition to policy changes like tax deformations, it led to deregulation, which was a Pandora's box of evils. Lost jobs, lower wages, abuse of consumers..

And -- extremely important -- it has led to the reshaping of a diverse economy into an oligarchy dominated by a handful of immensely powerful corporations that took over every sector of the economy.

Because we set aside Anti-Trust laws and Basic Regulation, small, mid-sized and even reasonably big companies were swallowed up into these behemoths. For example, instead of a lot of regional and local banks and a reasonable number of big banks, we now have a handful of massive titanic -- and utterly corrupt -- monster banks. They proved their immorality and power in 2008, but it was a long time coming before that.

It's happened in very industry -- and is still happening as we speak.

Also, the meaning of "centrist" was perverted. Rather than moderation, it became a code for those who enable the Oligarchs and do their bidding and -- in some cases -- join them, using the political system to accomplish the goals of their lord and masters.

In a sane environment, Bernie Sanders and his positions would be considered your basic Democratic Liberal. Instead of being considered the "fringe" his supporters would be mainstream Democrats. They are simply calling for some restoration of balance, so that power and wealth are not all being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands while everyone else is pushed down.

It stinks, and the only way it will end is when enough people say -- in the words of Bernie -- "Enough is Enough!"

Tepid bullshit is simply going to bring us more of the same. And "the same" means things will go ever more rapidly into a Fuedal Hellhole.

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Why "more of the same" is a recipe for disaster (IMO, of course) (Original Post) Armstead Jul 2015 OP
There's a reason Obama says he's like a 1980's republican arcane1 Jul 2015 #1
Exactly. djean111 Jul 2015 #3
I don't think he said 1980's Republican -- Hope not, anyway Armstead Jul 2015 #6
To be fair, he did add "moderate" to the description arcane1 Jul 2015 #7
He was wrong about that. Republican policies are NOT mainstream as every poll on the sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #12
Moderate GOP in the 80's had become bat shit crazy -- Just not as bsc as now Armstead Jul 2015 #18
I never got that 'fringe' label. I'm fringe. I know what it is. Bernie is a pretty solid Cleita Jul 2015 #2
He is...I think the biggest mistake of his career was calling himself a socialist Armstead Jul 2015 #4
True, that's what polls show and that is why he getting so much support as people learn about him. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #14
One interesting anecdotal thing I am seeing Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #5
I still believe there are many out there who were tricked into thinking they're conservative arcane1 Jul 2015 #8
It's the "Someday you will be rich" scam Armstead Jul 2015 #9
Yep. Between that and "lib'ruls want to take all your money" they did a good job n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #10
Mixed in with doses of "Family Values" and social resentments Armstead Jul 2015 #11
Actually, i think it's more... Adrahil Jul 2015 #15
Good point Armstead Jul 2015 #16
I think you are correct. n/t Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #17
Damn tootin! hifiguy Jul 2015 #13
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. There's a reason Obama says he's like a 1980's republican
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jul 2015

I'm just not sure why anyone on this site could ever think of that as a good thing

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
6. I don't think he said 1980's Republican -- Hope not, anyway
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jul 2015

Shit, some of the Republicans of the 60's and 70's make today's "centrist" Democrats seem conservative by comparison.

Hell, I think even Ricky Nixon might be on the side of those who acknowledge the dangers of climate change today.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
7. To be fair, he did add "moderate" to the description
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jul 2015

"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican,"

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/272957-obama-says-his-economic-policies-so-mainstream-hed-be-seen-as-moderate-republican-in-1980s

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. He was wrong about that. Republican policies are NOT mainstream as every poll on the
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:14 PM
Jul 2015

issues shows and has for a long time.

Yes, HE probably would have been considered a moderate Republican then. But why would any Democrat want to be compared to any kind of Republican? I guess 'moderate' back then meant 'Reagan'?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. I never got that 'fringe' label. I'm fringe. I know what it is. Bernie is a pretty solid
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jul 2015

mainstream liberal.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
4. He is...I think the biggest mistake of his career was calling himself a socialist
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jul 2015

Nothing wrong with being a socialist. But in a world where even the term "liberal" became verboten, that was waving a red flag that skewed people's views of him.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. True, that's what polls show and that is why he getting so much support as people learn about him.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jul 2015

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Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
5. One interesting anecdotal thing I am seeing
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jul 2015

some of my friends who are republicans but don't self-identify as republicans, despise Trump and are really looking at Bernie seriously.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
8. I still believe there are many out there who were tricked into thinking they're conservative
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:01 PM
Jul 2015

And once you speak past the buzz-words and slogans, they will realize they were quite progressive all along.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. It's the "Someday you will be rich" scam
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:05 PM
Jul 2015

The propaganda included convincing average -- or struggling -- people that some day they might be rich, so it was in their own best interests to support policies and economic behavior that only benefit the wealthy.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
15. Actually, i think it's more...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jul 2015

You WOULD be rich if it wasn't for those parasitic:

Welfare queens
Crack addicts
Gang members
Illegal aliens
Athiests
Intellectual elites
Scientists
Homosexuals
Feminists

You get the picture

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