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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:53 PM Jul 2015

Breaking: Portland police, fire, and Coast Guard facing off against Greenpeace activists

KGW-TV is live (might be able to stream from their web site).

The Coast Guard has created a joint command allowing Portland Police and Fire Dept. to act to enforce federal law.

The bridge is shut down to all traffic. Police are all over the place. Protesters are loud and active. Kayak protesters are in the water. Activists are hanging from the bridge. Coast Guard cutter in the water. Fire department may attempt to take down those hanging.

The Shell ship attempted to leave its docking this morning but turned around and went back.

But now things have heated up significantly.

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Breaking: Portland police, fire, and Coast Guard facing off against Greenpeace activists (Original Post) grasswire Jul 2015 OP
Thanks for the heads up! Watching it live now on the tv machine neverforget Jul 2015 #1
the high wire rescue team is getting in place grasswire Jul 2015 #5
Just confirmed he's going to be one of the firefighters rappelling neverforget Jul 2015 #9
WOW grasswire Jul 2015 #10
Lol! no kidding! make for great footage neverforget Jul 2015 #11
Interesting development. Rex Jul 2015 #2
live stream G_j Jul 2015 #3
Thank you very much for this information. oldandhappy Jul 2015 #36
Is this the same ship that had the 3' hole in the side? n/t Suich Jul 2015 #4
Yes, repaired at Vigor dry dock MissB Jul 2015 #8
Thanks! Suich Jul 2015 #18
one protester just arrested grasswire Jul 2015 #6
police boats occupying the center channel... grasswire Jul 2015 #7
MORE KAYAKTIVISTS ARRIVING! nt G_j Jul 2015 #12
This is going down about four miles or so from my house. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #13
It's downstream from my back yard. grasswire Jul 2015 #14
They are all heroes, and I wish I lived nearby so I could resist the Motherfrackers Zorra Jul 2015 #15
me too! G_j Jul 2015 #17
... Zorra Jul 2015 #20
there are interviews of the kayaktivists hopemountain Jul 2015 #37
more fire dept arrived grasswire Jul 2015 #16
Mayor Hales is on the bridge and a P.A. system is being set up. grasswire Jul 2015 #19
KGW TV later corrected this. grasswire Jul 2015 #50
protesters are being offered the chance to leave voluntarily nt grasswire Jul 2015 #21
firefighter has been lowered down... grasswire Jul 2015 #22
The protesters seemed to have lowered themselves past their equipment G_j Jul 2015 #23
To you locals... EX500rider Jul 2015 #24
your concern G_j Jul 2015 #25
More like reality then concern.... EX500rider Jul 2015 #26
I suspect that it can be rerouted. Igel Jul 2015 #33
It's a reasonable question. Igel Jul 2015 #32
people second guess every Greenpeace action G_j Jul 2015 #39
meticulously planned out you say? retrowire Jul 2015 #46
Main channel of the Willamette. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #28
So does the block the majority of the commercial shipping or is that downstream? EX500rider Jul 2015 #30
It woudl block a very great deal of it. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #34
uh......... grasswire Jul 2015 #38
It's not really the access over the bridge... Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #47
Zowie. Thanks. oldandhappy Jul 2015 #27
All heroes including the firefighters AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #29
+ Infinity (NT) Octafish Jul 2015 #31
the river was closed to traffic grasswire Jul 2015 #35
I'm cheering for Greenpeace! Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #40
The way I see all this fredamae Jul 2015 #41
yes nt grasswire Jul 2015 #44
Thanks so much... Thespian2 Jul 2015 #42
"But now things have heated up significantly." < Of course, this is what such activists were trying jtuck004 Jul 2015 #43
+1000 tex-wyo-dem Jul 2015 #45
What we need to be talking about is the economics of living in the future. What we had jtuck004 Jul 2015 #52
And now the kayaktavists are back in the middle of the Williamette neverforget Jul 2015 #48
LOL grasswire Jul 2015 #49
Did you see the guy with the shark floaty? neverforget Jul 2015 #51
I used to be a canvasser for Greenpeace Downtown Hound Jul 2015 #53
For real, even sadder when you consider how much of that money raouldukelives Jul 2015 #54
Wonder what their total fine bill ended up being for their great effort in Portland. lonestarnot Jul 2015 #55

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
1. Thanks for the heads up! Watching it live now on the tv machine
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jul 2015

I wonder if my brother in law is there. He's a Portland firefighter

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
13. This is going down about four miles or so from my house.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:19 PM
Jul 2015

I'm watching the livestream...but I may have to pop down there and watch in person.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
14. It's downstream from my back yard.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:23 PM
Jul 2015

If I jumped in my neighbor's kayak, I could be there too!

But I won't.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
37. there are interviews of the kayaktivists
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:36 PM
Jul 2015

on local oregon news stations. two of the kayaktivists - older women - were bold and standing in their truth and power. i support them - and especially today when another oil slick has appeared off the beach of my home town and alma mater.

shell should not be drilling for oil in the arctic. i cannot understand how reasonable "do the right thing" people granted them this permission. - i would put the oil drillers in the same prison the lion killer is headed to.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
24. To you locals...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jul 2015

.....is this blocking the main river of all large traffic or is this a tributary that only leads to the dry dock/repair dock where the Shell ship is?


Because if they are blocking all this they were doomed to a rapid failure from local authorities:


Over 17 million tons of cargo move through Portland each year. Twelve million tons of this cargo moves through the Port of Portland-owned and operated facilities.
Major exports include grain, soda ash, potash, automobiles, and hay; major imports are automobiles, steel, machinery, mineral bulks and other varied products.
Imports and exports at the Port of Portland total about $15.4 billion USD, annual.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
26. More like reality then concern....
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jul 2015

....you really think the local powers that be are going to let $15 billion in shipping grind to a halt? Unlikely.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
33. I suspect that it can be rerouted.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jul 2015

Mostly.

This is on the Willamette and there are other marine terminals downstream from this bridge and on the Columbia River proper.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
32. It's a reasonable question.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:11 PM
Jul 2015

It does require thinking about possible consequences from an action and how a specific action might affect others. For example, business and the jobs that dockworkers have, perishable cargo that might be waiting to be unloaded or scheduled to be loaded on ships that would have to just anchor and wait.


This is blocking the Willamette (stress on -lam-). There are a couple of marine terminals upstream from the St. John's bridge, but the traffic can probably be routed through terminals downstream or on the Columbia. In some cases there may be difficulty with logistics (is there enough railway or support for specific cargo?). If the Port of Portland is booked solid, a day can create a backlog and cost people a lot of money.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
39. people second guess every Greenpeace action
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jul 2015

That's fine, but their actions are meticulously planned out, I trust them to pick what is most effective.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
46. meticulously planned out you say?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jul 2015

Like that time they practically destroyed one of the worlds oldest works of art?

http://gizmodo.com/how-greenpeace-wrecked-one-of-the-most-sacred-places-in-1669873583

Greenpeace, like any other activist group, is full of a bunch of people who take the law into their own hands, and anytime groups do this, they mess up sometimes.

Meticulous is not a word I would use for any activist group. Though I appreciate all of their efforts, none of them are perfect heroes.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
28. Main channel of the Willamette.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jul 2015

The St. Johns Bridge is just a ways (three or four miles) from the confluence with the Columbia.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
34. It woudl block a very great deal of it.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:18 PM
Jul 2015

The kayaktivists, that is. A lot of the container ships are too short to have a problem with the people hanging from the bridge.

I suspect another big concern is that this has the St. Johns Bridge closed to traffic. Most of Portland's bridges over the Willamette are located a good ways upstream, nearer the heart of the city (the St. Johns neighborhood is pretty far north). So this is the only bridge for a good few miles...and the evening rush hour has started. An inconvenience for most, but if ambulances cant get past the inevitable traffic back-up, it could be a very bad situation. I strongly agree with the protesters' aims, but not to the point of putting someone needing medical transport at grave risk.

The river channel is open now, by the way. Only the bridge "hangers" remain.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
38. uh.........
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jul 2015

there are many hospitals and medical facilities on BOTH sides of the river, as well as plenty of ambulances and services.

So medical necessity is not a concern.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
47. It's not really the access over the bridge...
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jul 2015

...it's the massive, widespread clusterfuck that traffic anywhere near the bridge will become when people can't get across. You've seen, I assume, how bad it gets (particularly on the St. Johns side) at rush hour on a normal day. People unwittingly approaching the bridge on their usual commute, unaware of the situation, are going will be getting backed up, I suspect. Tempted to ride my bike up there to see...

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
35. the river was closed to traffic
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jul 2015

the kayaks were corralled (kettled?) to one side of the river, not allowed to move

one protester has been removed

a couple of people are in the water

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
41. The way I see all this
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 07:56 PM
Jul 2015

is that we are paying people to protect us and our rights while watching them do corporate bidding.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
43. "But now things have heated up significantly." < Of course, this is what such activists were trying
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jul 2015

to fight. But they weren't the ones who were every going to stop the boat.

What's ironic, and a little sad, is that all the people on shore, anyone who is not in front of that boat, is insuring a dead future for their descendants as they leave to watch the trials of the activists from the comfort of their lazyboys.

As they watch the people, police, firelighters, others working so hard to do Shell's bidding, I wonder if they realize that the ones in the water aren't the ones who have enough power to stop Shell. That's our job.

They one's in the water are just showing us what a couple million more of us could have done if we weren't so servile.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
45. +1000
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jul 2015

Some things are worth fighting for...and I can't think of a better one than the future environmental health of our planet.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
52. What we need to be talking about is the economics of living in the future. What we had
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jul 2015

is gone and there is a system in place whereby the wealth of the few is being propped up by everyone else. We no longer have a world to destroy in a war and then sell them everything to create an economy.

Today, for about 100 million Americans - and many globally, they are being left in poverty or near poverty to prop up the wealth of the other 3/4 of our population.

We even have people pretending that the lower deficit - spending and the increase of which, partly just for color-blind government jobs could bring those people out of poverty . At the cost of diluting some of the wealth of the people who bankrolled our last couple of candidates, of course.But I think that is a good thing.

Timothy "Killer" Geither wrote a book called Stress Test that outlines how we are doing it. He leaves out the part about how we are leaving children hungry to help bank$ter/donors, but programs to offer assistance to our neighbors are cut and trimmed to leave more for our bank$ter fiends. So we are. You can see voters - who it turns out are not as stupid as he seems to think - laugh at his face about that here . There is a 35% unemployment rate (really higher than that) among black males in large inner city areas, and that is kept there directly by not spending on government jobs- i.e. "keeping the deficit low". These policies are a significant part of how we are becoming less secure by the day, no longer investing in our people, much like we were prior to 1800. And we damn well know it.

We badly need a conversation about how whether it is worth going forward in servitude to the bank$ter/donors, but people have their heads hanging too low, it seems. Instead of talking about those real issues, and how they drive Shell's firefighters and police to confront those good people at the bridge, we coo at brightly colored kayaks and dangling protesters.

Like Romans watching the Gladiators.

We think we are talking about our future environment, but it might be a lot bigger. Look out the window. Instead of a future for the kids, future travelers here will maybe find what remains of our Colosseum, and a bunch of rocks.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
48. And now the kayaktavists are back in the middle of the Williamette
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jul 2015

blocking the Fennica. Police boats and USCG trying to corral them. It's like herding cats.....

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
49. LOL
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jul 2015

...and last I heard, an activist has "locked" himself to the RR bridge (which would disrupt Amtrak, I spose)

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
53. I used to be a canvasser for Greenpeace
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jul 2015

You know, one of those annoying people that comes to your door and tries to get you to give them money. What I can tell all of you is that if you like what they're doing then the best way you can help is to become a monthly donor. Everybody always thinks that to help out they have to be willing to get arrested or become an international pirate or something. Trust me, Greenpeace has no shortage of people willing to do direct action. What they really need are monetary contributions. $15 of $20 a month goes a long way to helping them perform actions like this.

I can't tell you how frustrating it was to see that even in very liberal neighborhoods how hard it is to get people to pitch in even $15 a month. Everybody says they support Greenpeace. Well, if you do, put your money where your mouth is and cough up some dough for them. They're out there fighting the good fight.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
54. For real, even sadder when you consider how much of that money
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jul 2015

possibly comes from investments and labor into corporations who oppose not only Greenpeace, but virtually any group fighting for a survivable future.

When one labors for evil, I almost find it sickening to take it, even for a good cause. At their very best they are a one step forward, two steps back ally to change, democracy and every form of justice. Aside of course from corporate ones.

Thank you for your good work on the front lines!

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