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Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:15 PM Jul 2015

Suddenly, I'm thinking that maybe The Donald getting the GOP Nom may not be such a good idea

Yes he's an idiot, loudmouth, racist, misogynist ass hat.

But he's got money, he has a weird ass charisma that attracts attention
He's not a "Washington Type" that gets him supporters
He's a tea party dream.
etc....

Given the people that he will pull out of the woodwork by his 'anti-politics' persona...
Given the (dem) people that will stay home and sit on their hands if their candidate doesn't get the dem nomination.....

Dismiss the Donald at your peril ..... no such thing as a sure thing in politics.

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Suddenly, I'm thinking that maybe The Donald getting the GOP Nom may not be such a good idea (Original Post) Rosco T. Jul 2015 OP
The Koch's hate him, so it's got to be good! nt TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #1
Why do they hate him? snagglepuss Jul 2015 #19
They want Scott Walker. Koch's didn't invite Trump to their retreat this weekend. nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #21
Yes, I think they see Trump as too much of a loose cannon deutsey Aug 2015 #50
Walker is their paid-for puppet! nt TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #55
His friends? Octafish Aug 2015 #22
He's got too much money. They can't control him. mucifer Aug 2015 #31
True, he's guaranteed at least 25% of the republican party.... daleanime Jul 2015 #2
After GWB*, I will NEVER again dismiss the ignorance of a sufficiently large segment of Americans hlthe2b Jul 2015 #3
Exactly Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #12
Yep. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public. smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #17
I've said that too, or as the Chimpster would say, "misunderestimate". InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #32
Yep! n/t etherealtruth Aug 2015 #24
heck, I figured that out when Reagan was elected Skittles Aug 2015 #37
I agree. MBS Aug 2015 #47
Yep, I thought the same thing about Bush in 2000 deutsey Aug 2015 #49
My thoughts too. cwydro Aug 2015 #53
I don't think this dickweed wants to be president. BlueStater Jul 2015 #4
I agree with you. elias49 Jul 2015 #7
+1 jonno99 Jul 2015 #16
It has been his gig for the last three elections Egnever Aug 2015 #38
How will this giant ego work with Congress if elected? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #5
By launching nukes at it jberryhill Aug 2015 #28
He'll back out before it happens Hydra Jul 2015 #6
Backing out is admitting that one is losing or a quitter Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #9
Assuming he doesn't find a good excuse and Jeb doesn't get "magically" nominated instead Hydra Jul 2015 #10
From what I've heard and seen of Trump Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author jberryhill Aug 2015 #29
if america does down that road, i'll go down another....don't think it will spanone Jul 2015 #8
He has as much chance of being the Republican nominee as someone like Palin Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #11
One can only hope that happens, not that Bernie couldn't beat that asshat, our any Rethug candidate, straight up. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2015 #33
that would be pulling a Reverse Nader ericson00 Aug 2015 #41
I meant "third-party run" Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #43
Wallace-comparison: much better :) ericson00 Aug 2015 #44
Yup - be careful what you wish for Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2015 #13
Wait. That really happened? jberryhill Aug 2015 #30
I agree. SCOTUS put Bush.2 into office. They could hand the election to anyone in 2016, pnwmom Jul 2015 #14
If he wins the nomination without Kochs money, Adelson or Walton money they will assassinate him Monk06 Jul 2015 #18
I'll allow Trump the same credibility as I do Palin.. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #20
Prediction: he will implode at the debate IDemo Aug 2015 #23
Or.. He won't..... Rosco T. Aug 2015 #25
in front of a crowd that applauded 'let them die" and all the other crazy shit said in the GOP debat TeamPooka Aug 2015 #36
I agree with much of what you are saying, razorman Aug 2015 #26
Nobody's dismissing him (except Repukes). $ can't win on itself. He "wins" = WE win. n/t UTUSN Aug 2015 #27
Which is the exact same words Democrats said about Reagan in 1980. former9thward Aug 2015 #39
That's not what Democrats I knew said, but we were in CA which had elected Reagan two times Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #51
I'll say this...a lot of people are sick of the typical establishment politician davidn3600 Aug 2015 #34
America loves 'Celebrity' and star-fuckers. Expalins Arnold, Reagan and Jesse Ventura. TeamPooka Aug 2015 #35
After George W Bush got elected twice I will never again discount the stupidity of half ... Hekate Aug 2015 #40
Bush only got the most votes once ericson00 Aug 2015 #45
I think you got a point: ericson00 Aug 2015 #42
"no such thing as a sure thing in politics" MBS Aug 2015 #46
He looks like Einstein compared to Reagan and Dubya. Vinca Aug 2015 #48
Trump is not going to be the GOP nominee Gothmog Aug 2015 #52
The media will keep him going. It's a ratings bonanza redstateblues Aug 2015 #54
Never misunderestimate the stupidity of the American electorate... JCMach1 Aug 2015 #56
Since he's just going to quit, I say let him rattle the others as long as he can. n/t Orsino Aug 2015 #57

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
50. Yes, I think they see Trump as too much of a loose cannon
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 07:35 AM
Aug 2015

Loose cannons can turn around and blast their owners.

Walker, on the other hand, is a servile little toady who will do whatever they want so long as he gets to dress up and play president.

mucifer

(23,560 posts)
31. He's got too much money. They can't control him.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:46 PM
Aug 2015

And no I don't want some crazy person with lots of money doing whatever he wants as President.

Trump reminds me of the president in the movie "The Dead Zone". Martin Sheen made one creepy president in that movie. Oy vey I digressed.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. True, he's guaranteed at least 25% of the republican party....
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:21 PM
Jul 2015

if some thing depresses the turnout, anything is possible.

hlthe2b

(102,343 posts)
3. After GWB*, I will NEVER again dismiss the ignorance of a sufficiently large segment of Americans
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jul 2015

We really do live in a country that celebrates ignorance, it seems and it is only getting worse in that respect.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
17. Yep. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American public.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:59 AM
Jul 2015

The fact that he is even a viable candidate is horrifying.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
49. Yep, I thought the same thing about Bush in 2000
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 07:31 AM
Aug 2015

I believed he would lose (and, actually, he did, but that's a different topic), but I also remember saying during the campaign that if he somehow got into the White House we'd be digging out from the wreckage for decades to come.

There are still idiots going around with bumper stickers saying they miss him.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
4. I don't think this dickweed wants to be president.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jul 2015

This whole "campaign" is just a circus act for this narcissistic prick to get attention.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
7. I agree with you.
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jul 2015

Had a discussion about just that last night with my wife.
I think he'd poop his pants and then the country would.
What a shit-storm that would be.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
38. It has been his gig for the last three elections
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:47 AM
Aug 2015

I think half the crazy stuff he says he says with the intention not of gaining support but notoriety.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
5. How will this giant ego work with Congress if elected?
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jul 2015

Even a Republican dominated one? Even the chaos of Idiocracy will look sane after four years of the Donald. And frankly, I think that if the prospect for Trump began looming on the horizon of being a prisoner of the White House, as all Presidents are, under hourly scrutiny and forced to have his entire life under a microscope, constantly being told who to see, what to do, what speech to give, what bill to sign by his aides, and no longer being able to make deals, make money, or tend to his real estate empire, that he would set his hair on fire and jump out the window rather than become a for-real President. If he continues to be popular, I think that realization will start pushing in on him from every direction.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
6. He'll back out before it happens
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jul 2015

Being a candidate for president gets you a lot of interest and media coverage. Losing a bid for presidency is a bit different- then you're a loser. Ask Mitt Romney.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
9. Backing out is admitting that one is losing or a quitter
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jul 2015

And Trump himself has stated on numerous occasions that he wouldn't back out-- in his words, why would he, since he's leading the Republican pack?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
10. Assuming he doesn't find a good excuse and Jeb doesn't get "magically" nominated instead
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:43 PM
Jul 2015

Then Trump can enjoy being Bob Dole :p

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
15. From what I've heard and seen of Trump
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jul 2015

I just can't see him dropping out as long as he's ahead in the polls.

And I think Trump is more like Romney than Dole-- a man with more money than he would ever need who wants to be President just for the prestige of being President. At least Bob Dole had several decades in the Senate and wasn't always bragging about his money and his ability to fire people.

Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #15)

spanone

(135,861 posts)
8. if america does down that road, i'll go down another....don't think it will
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jul 2015

he's the herman cain of this election.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
11. He has as much chance of being the Republican nominee as someone like Palin
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jul 2015

the best thing that can happen is that he gets his ass kicked in a few primaries and then announces that he's pulling a Perot; as a third-party candidate he'd wreck the GOP's chances and "I got 25% of the vote as a third party candidate!" is a way of not-winning that would still feed his ego.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
33. One can only hope that happens, not that Bernie couldn't beat that asshat, our any Rethug candidate, straight up.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 12:58 AM
Aug 2015
 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
44. Wallace-comparison: much better :)
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 05:01 AM
Aug 2015

problem with invoking Perot is that it gives credence to the myth/smear. That myth is the basis for the GOP's idea that America is more "conservative" than it really is. Wallace is a good comparison: both Trump and Wallace only offer racism and no serious solutions.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
13. Yup - be careful what you wish for
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:51 PM
Jul 2015

People thought the US would never be dumb enough to elect Reagan and wanted him to be nominated in 1980

and the fact that the media is 100% starstruck and in love with Trump, painting him as "a straight shooter" and wont challenge him on his serial lies could lead to his election.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. Wait. That really happened?
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:35 PM
Aug 2015

Damn.

Most days I wake up thinking that Ronald Reagan getting elected was just a weird dream I had.

Well, thanks, you ruined today for me.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
14. I agree. SCOTUS put Bush.2 into office. They could hand the election to anyone in 2016,
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jul 2015

including the Trumpster.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
18. If he wins the nomination without Kochs money, Adelson or Walton money they will assassinate him
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:03 AM
Jul 2015

for fucking up their business model.

How dare he not need their money to win.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. I'll allow Trump the same credibility as I do Palin..
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jul 2015

I'll allow Trump the same credibility as I do Palin... who also fit well within the parameters you've described for us when she was running for VP, Palin who also shone brightly like bat piss in the night for a few, fleeting months before imploding in on the weight of her own inadequacies and dramatic lack of relevant knowledge.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
23. Prediction: he will implode at the debate
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 08:02 PM
Aug 2015

He'll say something so weird-ass stupid over the top that even the weird-ass stupid over the top segment he has swooning over him will squint tightly and scratch their heads.

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
25. Or.. He won't.....
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:54 PM
Aug 2015

... he'll be the over the top love child and when it's done he'll be 40 points ahead of the next person. The others will implode. All they have to do is say things like "You're just joking with this right?" "You're not seriously running?" "You're fired." and the public will believe that they have it in for him and he's right that none of the pols deserve their support.

Yes I'm a glass half empty person on this.

TeamPooka

(24,250 posts)
36. in front of a crowd that applauded 'let them die" and all the other crazy shit said in the GOP debat
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:10 AM
Aug 2015

es last time in 2012?
That's why they cut down from 20 GOP debates to 9.
because of the crazy shit said by the candidates that the audiences loved that shocked middle of the road voters
Trump throws meat to a rabid crowd and they will eat.

razorman

(1,644 posts)
26. I agree with much of what you are saying,
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:11 PM
Aug 2015

particularly about the peril of dismissing him. He has always been a loud, silly showboater, but do not make the mistake of thinking him an "idiot". He is an extremely sharp and ruthless businessman, which means he possesses many of the required characteristics of a successful politician.
It is still early in this process. It looks to me like neither side has anyone on the horizon who appears to be their ideal candidate. Vast numbers of both Dems and Reps are dissatisfied with their choices so far. Should make for a very interesting and unpredictable race.

former9thward

(32,068 posts)
39. Which is the exact same words Democrats said about Reagan in 1980.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:50 AM
Aug 2015

I am old enough to remember that. Are you?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
51. That's not what Democrats I knew said, but we were in CA which had elected Reagan two times
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 08:10 AM
Aug 2015

to be Governor in a State where he'd also been elected to run a Union. Anyone who dismissed Ronnie and Lew Wasserman probably never heard of Lew and had no idea what was running Ron's early political career.


 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
34. I'll say this...a lot of people are sick of the typical establishment politician
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:05 AM
Aug 2015

And both sides are sick of it.

A Jeb vs Hillary is an election not many are going to be all that thrilled about. And that matchup is scary also. Because certain groups (ie: youth and minorities) tend not to show up unless they are motivated.

TeamPooka

(24,250 posts)
35. America loves 'Celebrity' and star-fuckers. Expalins Arnold, Reagan and Jesse Ventura.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:07 AM
Aug 2015

Even Gopher from The Love Boat became a Congressman.

Hekate

(90,778 posts)
40. After George W Bush got elected twice I will never again discount the stupidity of half ...
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 04:28 AM
Aug 2015

....the American voting populace.

In my opinion Hillary is the best-qualified candidate of the entire field, but then I thought the same thing about Al Gore. Intelligent, solid Democrat, hard working, well prepared, but not charismatic -- and look what we got: a frat boy former alcoholic the voters wanted to have a beer with. After that, anything is possible.

As regards The Donald, I hope he gets his panties in a knot and decides to run as a third party candidate. The GOP deserves the disaster they have worked so hard to create for over three decades.

America does not deserve this disaster. Therefore I hope and pray that all Dems and affiliates turn up at the polls and vote for our nominee next year.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
45. Bush only got the most votes once
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 05:23 AM
Aug 2015

and by a tiny ass margin. Hell in the last generation the GOP has only won the most votes once, thanks to the Clintons, and another reason, gratitude, why I support Hillary.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
42. I think you got a point:
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 04:41 AM
Aug 2015

the fact he's picking up so much steam so quickly and is impervious to the Koch Brothers means that if Obama's approvals should fall below 40% (which is where incumbent parties always lose the White House; see 1952, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2008), Trump might actually be a danger.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
46. "no such thing as a sure thing in politics"
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 05:30 AM
Aug 2015

I've never felt that more strongly than I have in this 2016 election.There's something about this election that makes me nervous . Maybe it's because the stakes are so high. But I also keep having the sense that something really unexpected is going to happen.

Any one of the Republican candidates (including the more "affable", better socialized ones) represent a clear and present danger to the Republic.I tried to watch that candidate forum last night but finally had to turn it off in disgust - the contrast between Pres Obama's fluent, informed, passioned discussion about climate change yesterday and any one of those Republican morons was more than I could bear. . . where does Trump get off trying to portray anything about Obama -- either his character or his performance as "poor"? . Trump is the most overtly outrageous but, phase-out-medicare-do-nothing-on-climate-change-Jeb is really just as dangerous.

Vinca

(50,302 posts)
48. He looks like Einstein compared to Reagan and Dubya.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 06:47 AM
Aug 2015

If he got elected at least we'd have 4 years of comedy as opposed to an immediate war if its Walker or Bush.

Gothmog

(145,489 posts)
52. Trump is not going to be the GOP nominee
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 08:27 AM
Aug 2015

The Kochs and the GOP donor base will prevent this. Already there has been opposition research being released on Trump including reports about his hiring of immigrants and a 1989 documentary. As we get closed to the primary, Trump will be buried

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
54. The media will keep him going. It's a ratings bonanza
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 09:18 AM
Aug 2015

and that's all that really matters to them. The ratings for this first debate will be huge. If Trump drops out nobody will watch.

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