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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSuddenly, I'm thinking that maybe The Donald getting the GOP Nom may not be such a good idea
Yes he's an idiot, loudmouth, racist, misogynist ass hat.
But he's got money, he has a weird ass charisma that attracts attention
He's not a "Washington Type" that gets him supporters
He's a tea party dream.
etc....
Given the people that he will pull out of the woodwork by his 'anti-politics' persona...
Given the (dem) people that will stay home and sit on their hands if their candidate doesn't get the dem nomination.....
Dismiss the Donald at your peril ..... no such thing as a sure thing in politics.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)Loose cannons can turn around and blast their owners.
Walker, on the other hand, is a servile little toady who will do whatever they want so long as he gets to dress up and play president.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)mucifer
(23,560 posts)And no I don't want some crazy person with lots of money doing whatever he wants as President.
Trump reminds me of the president in the movie "The Dead Zone". Martin Sheen made one creepy president in that movie. Oy vey I digressed.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)if some thing depresses the turnout, anything is possible.
hlthe2b
(102,343 posts)We really do live in a country that celebrates ignorance, it seems and it is only getting worse in that respect.
Bobbie Jo
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smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The fact that he is even a viable candidate is horrifying.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Skittles
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deutsey
(20,166 posts)I believed he would lose (and, actually, he did, but that's a different topic), but I also remember saying during the campaign that if he somehow got into the White House we'd be digging out from the wreckage for decades to come.
There are still idiots going around with bumper stickers saying they miss him.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)It would not surprise me a bit if he were elected.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)This whole "campaign" is just a circus act for this narcissistic prick to get attention.
elias49
(4,259 posts)Had a discussion about just that last night with my wife.
I think he'd poop his pants and then the country would.
What a shit-storm that would be.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I think half the crazy stuff he says he says with the intention not of gaining support but notoriety.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Even a Republican dominated one? Even the chaos of Idiocracy will look sane after four years of the Donald. And frankly, I think that if the prospect for Trump began looming on the horizon of being a prisoner of the White House, as all Presidents are, under hourly scrutiny and forced to have his entire life under a microscope, constantly being told who to see, what to do, what speech to give, what bill to sign by his aides, and no longer being able to make deals, make money, or tend to his real estate empire, that he would set his hair on fire and jump out the window rather than become a for-real President. If he continues to be popular, I think that realization will start pushing in on him from every direction.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Being a candidate for president gets you a lot of interest and media coverage. Losing a bid for presidency is a bit different- then you're a loser. Ask Mitt Romney.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)And Trump himself has stated on numerous occasions that he wouldn't back out-- in his words, why would he, since he's leading the Republican pack?
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Then Trump can enjoy being Bob Dole :p
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I just can't see him dropping out as long as he's ahead in the polls.
And I think Trump is more like Romney than Dole-- a man with more money than he would ever need who wants to be President just for the prestige of being President. At least Bob Dole had several decades in the Senate and wasn't always bragging about his money and his ability to fire people.
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spanone
(135,861 posts)he's the herman cain of this election.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)the best thing that can happen is that he gets his ass kicked in a few primaries and then announces that he's pulling a Perot; as a third-party candidate he'd wreck the GOP's chances and "I got 25% of the vote as a third party candidate!" is a way of not-winning that would still feed his ego.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)I could just as well have said "pulled a George Wallace".
ericson00
(2,707 posts)problem with invoking Perot is that it gives credence to the myth/smear. That myth is the basis for the GOP's idea that America is more "conservative" than it really is. Wallace is a good comparison: both Trump and Wallace only offer racism and no serious solutions.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)People thought the US would never be dumb enough to elect Reagan and wanted him to be nominated in 1980
and the fact that the media is 100% starstruck and in love with Trump, painting him as "a straight shooter" and wont challenge him on his serial lies could lead to his election.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Damn.
Most days I wake up thinking that Ronald Reagan getting elected was just a weird dream I had.
Well, thanks, you ruined today for me.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)including the Trumpster.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)for fucking up their business model.
How dare he not need their money to win.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'll allow Trump the same credibility as I do Palin... who also fit well within the parameters you've described for us when she was running for VP, Palin who also shone brightly like bat piss in the night for a few, fleeting months before imploding in on the weight of her own inadequacies and dramatic lack of relevant knowledge.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)He'll say something so weird-ass stupid over the top that even the weird-ass stupid over the top segment he has swooning over him will squint tightly and scratch their heads.
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)... he'll be the over the top love child and when it's done he'll be 40 points ahead of the next person. The others will implode. All they have to do is say things like "You're just joking with this right?" "You're not seriously running?" "You're fired." and the public will believe that they have it in for him and he's right that none of the pols deserve their support.
Yes I'm a glass half empty person on this.
TeamPooka
(24,250 posts)es last time in 2012?
That's why they cut down from 20 GOP debates to 9.
because of the crazy shit said by the candidates that the audiences loved that shocked middle of the road voters
Trump throws meat to a rabid crowd and they will eat.
razorman
(1,644 posts)particularly about the peril of dismissing him. He has always been a loud, silly showboater, but do not make the mistake of thinking him an "idiot". He is an extremely sharp and ruthless businessman, which means he possesses many of the required characteristics of a successful politician.
It is still early in this process. It looks to me like neither side has anyone on the horizon who appears to be their ideal candidate. Vast numbers of both Dems and Reps are dissatisfied with their choices so far. Should make for a very interesting and unpredictable race.
UTUSN
(70,725 posts)former9thward
(32,068 posts)I am old enough to remember that. Are you?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)to be Governor in a State where he'd also been elected to run a Union. Anyone who dismissed Ronnie and Lew Wasserman probably never heard of Lew and had no idea what was running Ron's early political career.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)And both sides are sick of it.
A Jeb vs Hillary is an election not many are going to be all that thrilled about. And that matchup is scary also. Because certain groups (ie: youth and minorities) tend not to show up unless they are motivated.
TeamPooka
(24,250 posts)Even Gopher from The Love Boat became a Congressman.
Hekate
(90,778 posts)....the American voting populace.
In my opinion Hillary is the best-qualified candidate of the entire field, but then I thought the same thing about Al Gore. Intelligent, solid Democrat, hard working, well prepared, but not charismatic -- and look what we got: a frat boy former alcoholic the voters wanted to have a beer with. After that, anything is possible.
As regards The Donald, I hope he gets his panties in a knot and decides to run as a third party candidate. The GOP deserves the disaster they have worked so hard to create for over three decades.
America does not deserve this disaster. Therefore I hope and pray that all Dems and affiliates turn up at the polls and vote for our nominee next year.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)and by a tiny ass margin. Hell in the last generation the GOP has only won the most votes once, thanks to the Clintons, and another reason, gratitude, why I support Hillary.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)the fact he's picking up so much steam so quickly and is impervious to the Koch Brothers means that if Obama's approvals should fall below 40% (which is where incumbent parties always lose the White House; see 1952, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2008), Trump might actually be a danger.
MBS
(9,688 posts)I've never felt that more strongly than I have in this 2016 election.There's something about this election that makes me nervous . Maybe it's because the stakes are so high. But I also keep having the sense that something really unexpected is going to happen.
Any one of the Republican candidates (including the more "affable", better socialized ones) represent a clear and present danger to the Republic.I tried to watch that candidate forum last night but finally had to turn it off in disgust - the contrast between Pres Obama's fluent, informed, passioned discussion about climate change yesterday and any one of those Republican morons was more than I could bear. . . where does Trump get off trying to portray anything about Obama -- either his character or his performance as "poor"? . Trump is the most overtly outrageous but, phase-out-medicare-do-nothing-on-climate-change-Jeb is really just as dangerous.
Vinca
(50,302 posts)If he got elected at least we'd have 4 years of comedy as opposed to an immediate war if its Walker or Bush.
Gothmog
(145,489 posts)The Kochs and the GOP donor base will prevent this. Already there has been opposition research being released on Trump including reports about his hiring of immigrants and a 1989 documentary. As we get closed to the primary, Trump will be buried
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)and that's all that really matters to them. The ratings for this first debate will be huge. If Trump drops out nobody will watch.