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Kber

(5,043 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:19 PM Aug 2015

The attacks on Planned Parenthood are about controlling women's sexuality.

It isn't about reducing abortions, because the actions being proposed will actually increase abortions.

It isn't about limiting other healthcare access, although that's a "nice" side effect, because they are at least pretending that they'll be redirecting Medicaid funds.

It isn't even about encouraging abstinence or some such garbage, because you bet you bottom dollar that the men attacking PP don't mind getting laid.

This is about taking control of women's sexuality away from women and placing it within men's control.

That, my friend and allies, is the end game.

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The attacks on Planned Parenthood are about controlling women's sexuality. (Original Post) Kber Aug 2015 OP
Exactly. onecaliberal Aug 2015 #1
White supremacists, who hate women. Sadly some on the left hate women too. AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #2
I am so angry.... onecaliberal Aug 2015 #3
Good, are you a woman? Do you have a FB page? Please make a big deal out of this on FB AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #7
Yes, I am a woman. And I have already shared and tweeted. onecaliberal Aug 2015 #8
Awesome. Is the vote live now, is there a link to that somewhere, the live voting? AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #9
Maybe on CSPAN. onecaliberal Aug 2015 #10
Yeah except men have sex too.... LynneSin Aug 2015 #4
These men (well, almost all men) Kber Aug 2015 #14
I like a woman in control awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #31
Specifically, poor women PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #5
They'll start with poor women, because poor women have fewer means to fight back. Kber Aug 2015 #11
Oh, I know. You = preacher, me = choir. PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #13
Well, the 1%will of course exempt themselves and hifiguy Aug 2015 #16
But your phrasing proves my point. Kber Aug 2015 #18
I definitely agree, though wealthy women hifiguy Aug 2015 #21
True. The wealthy will have more freedom of choice in almost every regard. Kber Aug 2015 #22
Yes, it's about controlling women's sexuality and through that, controlling their lives. enough Aug 2015 #6
Independently sexual women have always been terrifying Kber Aug 2015 #12
This is about keeping the poor poor. poli-junkie Aug 2015 #23
Let's say it's a twofer Kber Aug 2015 #26
it's like a Swiss Army knife of repressiveness MisterP Aug 2015 #28
Yep. I expect a hifiguy Aug 2015 #15
Kansas gets my vote. Kber Aug 2015 #20
These men would be better off... 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #17
Lol. Too true! Kber Aug 2015 #19
+1000 whathehell Aug 2015 #27
CORRECT Skittles Aug 2015 #24
K&R smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #25
It's about control, period. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #29
The GOP war on women continues Gothmog Aug 2015 #30
The right-wing want no sex outside of marriage and EVERY SINGLE CHILD born out of wedlock given up StevieM Aug 2015 #32
Churches had a great racket selling poor women's babies to the prosperous. LeftyMom Aug 2015 #34
Agreed. Crisis pregnancy centers have been known to engage in reprehensible practices. StevieM Aug 2015 #35
It's for controlling women, not just our sexuality. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #33
Dead spot on Kber Aug 2015 #36

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
1. Exactly.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:22 PM
Aug 2015

Why in the hell do these white men think they need to control everyone and make decisions for everyone. Before anyone calls me a racist, I am a white woman.

AllFieldsRequired

(489 posts)
2. White supremacists, who hate women. Sadly some on the left hate women too.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:23 PM
Aug 2015

Not as many, but some.

If America is exceptional, America will fight back these people who hate women.

AllFieldsRequired

(489 posts)
7. Good, are you a woman? Do you have a FB page? Please make a big deal out of this on FB
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:31 PM
Aug 2015

even if you are not a woman, but coming from women I think makes a difference.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
4. Yeah except men have sex too....
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:25 PM
Aug 2015

So I guess they just want to know who the whores are and who they aren't.

Because that's so important to define

Kber

(5,043 posts)
14. These men (well, almost all men)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:47 PM
Aug 2015

Certainly want to have sex and want compliant women to remain sexually available. This is about who gets to control the circumstances under which women can have sex.

(Note: almost all men want to have sex, but that DOES NOT mean they all need to have the control. The men I hang with are confident enough to enjoy a woman's sexual independence, rather than be threatened by it. )

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
31. I like a woman in control
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 05:55 PM
Aug 2015

and who tells me exactly what she wants to make her happy. I don't like guessing games. I am married now, but when I was single I always wanted my partner to be satisfied- it helps ensure a repeat performance

Kber

(5,043 posts)
11. They'll start with poor women, because poor women have fewer means to fight back.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:41 PM
Aug 2015

But no way they'll stop there.

If we allow them to successful here, we all have targets on our backs.

But I suspect I'm preaching to the choir here.

As a poster above wrote, we need to take this fight beyond DU, and beyond the Internet as well.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
16. Well, the 1%will of course exempt themselves and
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:58 PM
Aug 2015

their wives/mistresses/daughters.

The law is for the little people.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
18. But your phrasing proves my point.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:04 PM
Aug 2015

"They will exempt their daughters / wives".

Not, "wealthy women will exempt themselves from men's control".

We let this attack on our sisters with fewer resources stand, and even wealthy women will eventually have their freedoms curtailed and their sexuality will only be allowed to function at the behest of or with permission from their fathers and husbands.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
21. I definitely agree, though wealthy women
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:15 PM
Aug 2015

will be subject to far less control, and infinitely less systemic control.

Control of the peasantry and lower classes - i.e., the 99% - is always the end game.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
22. True. The wealthy will have more freedom of choice in almost every regard.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:23 PM
Aug 2015

Including access to healthcare, contraception, and abortion.

I strongly believe that best way for women of means to safeguard their own freedom is to safeguard every woman's freedom.

We need to work across class and race in a unified way because we are much easier to defeat divided than united. Sexual freedom must be the norm, not the wealthy's privilege.

But we're splitting hairs on a topic that we agree on. (That's how I know we are both democrats.).

enough

(13,259 posts)
6. Yes, it's about controlling women's sexuality and through that, controlling their lives.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:29 PM
Aug 2015

It's about taking self-determination away from women through their sexuality, which is what the patriarchy has been doing since time immemorial. Which is why they are so determined and passionate about it. And so irrational.

poli-junkie

(1,002 posts)
23. This is about keeping the poor poor.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:39 PM
Aug 2015

If the Christofascists can suppress the advancement of the working poor by forcing poor women to have unplanned pregnancies, then it benefits the corporations economically to have an endless supply of local cheap labor. And it benefits the Theocrats to social engineer their perceived view that women are put on earth to procreate and to be treated as chattel. This is the end game. Way past time to call these bastards out.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
26. Let's say it's a twofer
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:05 PM
Aug 2015

Women's remain sexually dependent and non-autonomous and the poor remain dependent and, well, same thing.

But I remain convinced that this "social experiment " on poor women is only a precursor to control over ever larger groups. If they can "prove the concept" with poor women, no one should think they will stop there.

No one is safe, eventually, if they succeed.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
28. it's like a Swiss Army knife of repressiveness
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 10:07 PM
Aug 2015

it strikes at the poor (and the darker-skinned), it strikes at women (obviously), it strikes at the youth--it ultimately strikes at everyone by reinforcing a blatantly artificial worldview that the Victorians would've called stuffy

it serves so many reactionary groups at once: that's why it's one of the right wing's big themes

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. Yep. I expect a
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 05:57 PM
Aug 2015

Saudi-style police for the promotion of "virtue" and prevention of "vice" to pop up in a solidly Repuke state inthe next few years. Texas, Kansas and Wisconsin would be my leading contenders given the flat-out insanity of their governors. And judging from a post kicking around today Alabama is another good bet.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
32. The right-wing want no sex outside of marriage and EVERY SINGLE CHILD born out of wedlock given up
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 06:30 PM
Aug 2015

for adoption. When an unmarried woman gets pregnant, and doesn't have an abortion, they are not happy with her either. They want their pound of flesh for her "sin." They want her child ripped from its mother's breast.

And of course, marriage only means heterosexual marriage to them. Gays and lesbians owe it them to live sexless lives.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
34. Churches had a great racket selling poor women's babies to the prosperous.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 07:02 PM
Aug 2015

Why wouldn't they want a business that's subsidized, enormously lucrative and adds another sheep to the flock all with the actual work and risk taken in for somebody who gets, at most, a few months of room and board?

Crisis pregnancy centers are the shiny storefronts for human trafficking.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
35. Agreed. Crisis pregnancy centers have been known to engage in reprehensible practices.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 07:08 PM
Aug 2015

They are on the front line of the coerced adoption movement.

Conservatives are completely indifferent to the pain and grief often suffered by birth mothers. Republicans don't care about the poor, so it should come as no surprise that they would take that lack of compassion to such an extreme extent.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
33. It's for controlling women, not just our sexuality.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 06:35 PM
Aug 2015

People who think we are lesser creations feel we need to be reined in or we get too much agency. It's bigotry. None of their twisted rationalizations make a lick of logical sense, that's because it's just hate.

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