It's actually a good read and indeed describes The GOP, Tea party and Faux News to a T.

Check you the comments section, 1SBM.

Me, as a woman? Not so much.

Chris Rock rants about Racism, but routinely shits on women of all races and couldn't care less.

Perhaps the admins will notice as well.

If you're mocking "Not all white people" that tends to lean towards "Yes, all white people." Perhaps you meant, "The Overwhelming Majority of White People" or even "A Scant Few White People" I don't know as smilies are more a tool of evasion than exposition.

Try to be helpful. What segment of white society/culture/race is responsible? All? Most? Around half? Some? A few?

you want to do exactly what the #NotAll meme represents.

Not.

You deride "not all white people" which pretty much says "all white people" and when called on it you run away and hide behind smilies and "you don't want to be helpful."

So every time someone sees you being derisive of all white people you get blame them rather than have the backbone to actually explain what you mean. And then you get hostile and whiny about being asked to explain what you mean.

That epitomizes "not helpful."

Stop hiding behind memes and actually have the courage to say what you mean. If you're afraid to say it because it sounds really racist maybe the problem isn't with the people noting the fact that is sounds really racist.

Go ahead and say it. Is it all white people? An overwhelming majority? Half? Some? A few?

exchange about these issues is rare with MOST white people, yes MOST.

Now, the masculinity issue is ALL males, to one degree or another.

If not all very close to all males.

We do bear that responsibility. We have often failed to take it, and there is no excuse for that.

But do you really believe we can only be spurred to fight racism by using a formulation(#YESALLWHITEFOLKS)that implies that all of us are actively supporting the perpetuation of racism?

What would you think of #WhiteFolksAgainstWhitePrivilege as an alternative hashtag?

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in a majority had moved, at some time in the last 250 right up to today, and had stood up and said, this black man, woman is my brother, sister and you must stop treating them as 2nd class citizens, racism would have been a manageable problem.

White people do not care about stopping racism because they don't want it stopped. To have it stop would mean everyone would truly be entitled to the goodies only a certain segment of this society has always enjoyed. Lord knows, that privilege cannot EVER be threatened by something as inconsequential, to a majority of white people, as racial equality and justice. It's not a complicated truth or is it able to be diminished as a generations old TRUTH, no matter how hard you try.

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"if the shoe fits"........ and it seems to fit many, many, many of the "toxic" very well. There are a lot of shoes fitting actually, here and there .....

Are you calling me a toxic white racist?

I never called you anything. You're the one...making accusations.......

That said...while it's absolutely right to call out racism in all forms, why is it important to you to seemingly indict every individual white person in the racist systen rather than focusing on the white power structure?

Yes, whites as a group have benefited and still benefit from racism...obviously...I think we all agree here on that...but how does it hell to imply that every individual white is somehow intentionally complicit in preserving racism? What harm does it do to at least accept that some of us are trying to resist and end "white skin privileges"?

It's not as if racism can be defeated or even effectively resisted through separatism. Majority support is needed for that prject to succeed.

for 10 seconds that's all the time you would probably need to find a racist incident in amerikkka involving a POC and one of the toxic white male and female supremacists extolling the right of white dominance over POC. You're joking, right? I didn't think so.... Part of the OP showed up. excellent....

from upset that you could ever realize. I am Laughing at the twisting, turning, distraction and how people on here are making themselves victims because they cannot deal with the truth of one of the major cause of racism....white male need to asserts white supremacy and control over POC. They do this by killing, murdering, summarily executing, men women and children of color. I am LAUGHING...LOUD....... AT SOME OF THESE RESPONSES.

copied from OP:

Toxic white masculinity defaults to violence as a means of maintaining social and political control. It clings to guns as a symbol of “real” male identity. It fears women as equals; it lashes out at non-whites who are somehow “stealing” white men’s jobs and power. Toxic white masculinity sees “liberals,” “progressives,” “social justice,” and “feminism” as enemies — out of a fear that “white masculinity” will somehow be made obsolete or extinct.

It's talking about the people "the Southern strategy" works with.

And I think 1SBM said "#notallwhitepeople" because threads like this get a bunch of replies saying "not all white people" often by people who obviously haven't read the article, not because it's about all white people. An article that says a problem exists in white America isn't saying that every individual white American has that problem. It only says that a problem exists somewhere in white America. A segmet of white America is like this, and it isn't just a few people, though I don't know the percentage. Maybe equal to the percentage of white people who like Donald Trump as a candidate.

But 1SBM seems to pick up alerts and hides easily, even when his posts aren't particularly controversial, so he can't freely reply.

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So which is it?

Is this article about all white people and in denial by saying "not all white people" (as your first reply to the OP would indicate) or is this article only about some white people (e.g., GOPers, RWers, and teapartiers)?

Hmmmm?

is in and of itself an illustration of the problem.

Not picking on you, many seem incapable of understanding why 1sB would say what he said in this context.

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Over time you develop a thick skin (that is why you see so few "#NoAllBlackPeople" or "#NotAllWomen" or "#NotAllHispanics/Latinos" posts. And take heart, and it should be relatively easy to develop, as beyond being "offended", is the only no ill-effect you are likely to experience.

been offended all my life by the very toxic type people in the article. Dry your tears and move on, nothing to see here, move on.

still trying to give orders, huh. Sorry I missed Tuesday...I've been busy this week with other things and not concerned with people who make themselves victims.

I'm not sure of the percentage but I'm thinking it's less than half but more than "not many."

And yes, there are problems among all groups of people everywhere in the world. This article is just about one particular problem that exists among a segment of people in one particular group. There are other articles about other problems.

Enjoy your stay.

Does that qualify as "not all"?

it's only talking about complaints that articles and/or posts should have to specify that something is not referring to all white people. That people will respond with "Not all white people!" If I say, "White people like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches," that doesn't mean that I've done a survey and every single white person likes PB&J. And this didn't even say "white people." It talked about "toxic white masculinity," which I've sometimes heard called hyper-masculinity, where people try to appear super masculine to hide some kind of anxiety or something. Whatever you call it, there's a certain type of masculinity that causes some dysfunction. I read downthread that people of color can have problems with certain types of masculinity too. I don't doubt that, but this article is about a type of masculinity some white people have that causes them to be racist and sometimes violently racist.

Oh, bull crap. Peddle that trash to someone dumb enough to buy it.

I gave 1SBM multiple opportunities to explain what he means. He has made dogged effort to avoid doing just that so specificity is not the issue. Specificity is the last thing these racist screeds masquerading as commentary want to delve in to because as soon as we start talking actual facts and stats the "we just want a conversation" crowd screams "SHUT-UP!"

racial toxicity to you because it is evident you know exactly what 1SBM says and means and that's why you think someone has to explain to you why you are the way you are and are offended because of it. NO ONE owes you anything, anytime. But I understand privilege does really blind one to their own foibles.

If someone sarcastically/derisively says, "not all white people" the implication is "all white people." That is racist. It's just as racist as sarcastically claiming "not all Jews" or sarcastically claiming "not all Muslims" or sarcastically claiming "not all Hispanics" or sarcastically claiming "not all Asians."

I'm struck curious about the obsession over white racism as if other racism doesn't exist and should not be dealt with. What the hell is wrong with ending racism, period?

digging your own hole. White racism is the cause of the major race problem in amerikkka. Period. Obsessed, no. Concerned, sometimes, that some racist pig will hate my color and try to kill me because of it, distinct possibility in this society. The only whining I am aware of is the self immolated victims who are offended by the truth of white racism. But they never surprise me. Always provide me with amusement to pass a few hours in a day.

And that's wrong. It's an offense to humanity and God. All racism, wherever it is, whoever imposes.

The only thing that matters is judging people about who they are, not their skin color.

In defense of white male ammosexuals.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=173403

But this thread is no more about women than the thread I linked to is about Black folks.

Just pointing out your usual MO, that's all.

It gets annoying after a while.

In many instances throughout history it has been absolutely essential for them to do so in defense of themselves and their families and their rights. I recognize that in many episodes throughout history the threat to black Americans has arisen from racists who held positions of power in the government, i.e. judges, the police, etc and this condition is far too prevalent, even today. As such I believe it would be foolish in the extreme for blacks to disarm and now, more than ever, they should exercise their rights as codified in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.

I recognize that the many stains on American history the Dred Scott decision sought to prevent African Americans from obtaining arms for fear of "insubordination" and policies such as "stop and frisk" have targeted African Americans to keep them disarmed. Such things fly in the face of the right to self defense.

I also unequivocally support women exercising their rights to self-defense. No woman has a duty to be disarmed when confronted by a violent attacker who more than likely possesses every advantage in physical strength.

I absolutely and unabashedly support the right to self defense and I recognize that people of color and women are more susceptible to the predations of the violent than other groups thus my support for their rights finds emphasis.

How about you?

toxicity knows no gender boundary, neither does racism.....#notallwhitepeople show up, constantly, hence the saying....it's true, people get offended if told there are millions of racist, privileged whites who could give a damn less if race prejudice, lethal racist murders or systemic and institutional racism is ever solved.. Get over it, move on, move on, nothing to see here.

The white left pretty much agrees with the OP. While we have our flaws, we aren't the ones oppressing PoC.

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I think.....

not a clue, never had one, never will. So transparent as to who ....represents whom.

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unless you want to argue that white men are significantly more violent then men of other races. There are numerous toxic sub-cultures in America, all with men at their center.

Your gender shouldn't guide your behavior.

Men are murderers almost ten times more often than women are.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

I heard that the local men's DV shelter needed more donations...

The sexual assault responders had arrested five college girls for gang rape...

...a female pimp was caught trafficking young men across the border for sex slavery

An armed woman carjacked an elderly couple in a Lexus...

A drunk female in her thirties got into a brawl over a parking spot and knifed the other driver...

...and a man was found dead alongside his three dead children, all shot by the abusive ex-girlfriend he had dared to run away from.

Happens every day!

They outnumber mass shootings by an order of magnitude. What do they say about race and culture?

Guns are a plague on every community.

the truth will overcome BS like this......

That white males are uniquely violent? Because we know that is not true.

therefore lethally violent. Problem with that truth?

There are many leathally violent sub groups in America. White racists are one of them.

We are both right.

except one can perpetrate wars based on lies......"Operation:Iraqi Freedom" was pretty violent I would say.

If another race was dominant in America we would not be any less likely to start wars based on lies.

and one particular sub-group has ALWAYS led this government...and, in particular, when RW members of that sub group are leading our government, that usually means woe to the world. Our present POTUS hasn't initiated any wars. He has taken out alleged members of groups and civilians associated with those groups who are avowed enemies of the "american way of life". That's war that is precise and not killing millions of innocents in defense of the "american way of life" and oil.

but I doubt that they commit 63% of all murders.

The author is really reaching to make a point.

Will you please post where that was said, I missed it. Thanks.

that these mass killings aren't over drug territory or gang beefs, killings in the commission of another crime (e.g., robbery), or even specific beefs with specific parties (which account for, by far, the vast majority of the number of killing that people are referencing - without referring them, i.e., Black on Black killings) ... these mass killings are a/the expression of a (political) narrative.