Its all a charade. Wall St already picked Jeb and Hillary who are about as close allies as one can have. Everything now is positioning and pivoting. Trump entered to defuse Rand Paul and make Jeb look like a moderate. Bernie is the true insurgent candidate and they will do everything they can to derail him. Jeb and Hillary take every opportunity to validate each other by talking as if the other was the inevitable candidate. Nothing could be more disgusting and repulsive than another Clinton/Bush general election. They should both be sent packing by their own parties. What a joke that some people still think its OK to have this kind of nepotism by two families that have enabled each other from the start.

Hillary: 2017-2025,
Jeb! 2025-2033.

And it need not end there...

Chelsea : 2033-2041,
George P. : 2041-2049
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And the Clintons are his not so humble servants.

those people love it.

that the popularity of conflict drive infotainment and ratings coincides with the delight people take in reality TV.

renewed and/or increased racism, misogyny and hate in general. Those clown car candidates have millions of supporters because the PTB decided that division serves their purpose.

though I do think it's possible, 'The Donald' carries water for some of them and probably is just another pre-primary, republican 'big mouth'* quitter.

edit to add the *, the type of person long, long, ago, Obama called a 'rooster' in one of his pre president interviews. I can't remember the interview, maybe Tavis Smiliey? , someone with good search skills could find the quote I'm sure.

ramifications of that condition, are the think tank members of the Pee'rs. And the thieves and liars are not outliers.

Who believe everybody elses freedom and rights interfer with theirs.

Our political system is so corrupted that most voters, or more accurately those eligible to vote, feel they have no real say in what is going on in our government. Those who are able to channel that energy into something positive and haven't completely given up hope are attracted to the Bernie Sanders campaign while those who aren't interested in finding a way to channel that energy positively instead prefer to be disruptors to the status quo by throwing a stink bomb in the middle of it all. That stink bomb my friend, is The Donald.

you nailed it.

Thanks!

... also convenien for the establishment to suck air time and distract the people so they don't hear th, Bernie story. That is why he is receiving so much airtime

leaders are supposed to lead, not follow especially not to follow the most degraded among them.

That they are echoing the basest sentiments means that they want to make the sentiments the norm and give those sentiments legitimacy, all in the hope of flattering their base who are too profoundly ignorant and blinded by irrational hate to realize that they are are being conned.

So now they're competing to win the "I said the most disgusting thing so vote for me" contest.

They're destroying, on a world stage, the little good that remains of America's image.

It's embarrassing. And it's dangerous.

performers were too mild!

They might seem crazy to us, but at least half the country thinks the same way they do.

Coincidence?

I think not.

just how dumb the average person is.

I thought you post was a funny but people down stream seemed to think you are serious.

Or I am the one off base.

Happens.

If you had the I.Q. of everyone in the country and divided by two, the dividing line would always be in the middle; half above, half below a median I. Q. Love George Carlin for pointing out the obvious.

It's more like 25-30%. But they are consistent voters and their opinions carry more weight in our sad, under-participated elections. I am officially undecided in the Dem primary, but I'm leaning toward Bernie. I like his policy positions, and I believe that he will bring in MANY citizens who don't regularly vote.

I've actually heard some of them calling in on hate radio.

...and you're trying to throw a wet blanket on our schadenfreude outbreak? Not a chance. Sure, I've probably got neighbors with sicker beliefs than what Trump is publicly spewing---but guess what? None of my neighbors is running for president, none of my neighbors is leading the loony right-wing field, and---most importantly---none of my neighbors is behaving like an entitled 13 year-old brat with a temper tantrum and threatening to cause a political train wreck, assuring a Democratic victory in 2016. Circumstances will change, and your gloominess will undoubtedly be justified---but not right now.

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Think Daniel DeLeon said that. Still true today.

"Instead of the American freeman bidding his wife be of good cheer that he was going to fight for his country, we have the wage-slave driven by hunger to fight for a hireling’s pittance.

Instead of repelling a foreign foe, he goes to loot and ravage a peaceful race, so as to swell the coffers of his own capitalist masters.

The patriotism which poverty produces is as yellow as the gold which buys it."

Full quote here; https://www.marxists.org/archive/deleon/works/1900/000726.htm

a total travesty of our political system.

He stands for nothing, and no resolutions. Just bitch, bitch, bitch!!!

Yep a new reality show. "How to destroy the American political system".

What a joke. And the others are going apeshit over his actions.

I love watching it.

until Trump released Lindsey Graham's phone number. That's dangerous. If he can get away with that - and apparently he has - then there's no limit on how low he'll go.

That's scary.

The scary part is that he validates that sickness. As long as he stands up there and howling and strutting he demonstrates that such views are indeed superior and acceptable.

The underlying danger of the Tea Party movement is that it was built to enable the fringe right as a tool to grab power within the GOP. Having empowered the monster the GOP cannot now make it go away.

The MSM presents the false assumption that there is genuine grass roots political power driving this forward. While the media echo chamber repeats the false logic and arrogant claims rather than provide meaningful analysis. They pour more gas on the fire by glorifying the sideshow. They could be identifying the financial links to Koch and others who have poured funding into white supremacy groups and created provocateurs like The Center for Medical Progress.

Having seen the preview in states like Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Montana I do not look forward to the next phase. If you think it has been ugly up to now you have no idea how bad it is going to get. Trump will have us bleeding in the streets to suit his version of political process, while NBC, CBS, ABC and certainly FOX stir the pot to make sure they have plenty of spectacle to glue us to the screen. Look at how they have covered the situation in Baltimore or Waco or anywhere else recently if you doubt me.

That is the truly scary part. This is what altogether too many Americans want.
Just look at who we elect to Congress!

and he's pretty bad.

Not going to let the dirty hippies get the upper hand ever again!

Long term plan.

The water is getting very hot!

They are only pandering to their base. That is the real concern.

Trump is the boil. The GOP base is the fester.

That said: fingers crossed he runs as a 3rd party candidate!!!!

Best thread in a long time. And the media keeps saying that the public is smart. They are not fooled! BULLSHIT!

2010"was a huge wakeup for me.

There was no reason, none, to give the republicans any power again.

But ,because they threw a hissy fit over not having the presidency, this country gave.them one of the biggest mid term wins of our lives.

Then, look at how they have systematically gerrymandered and surpressed the vote in so many staes and people could, literally give a fuck.

People get cranky when I say it is are reflection of us, not the pols themselves.

Loys of good people run for office, we pick the pos more often than not.

push H. Clinton in and we feel relieved. The Oligarchs (Goldman-Sachs admitted it) are ok with H. Clinton. That's why they are expected to help push Clinton into the presidency with an unprecedented amount of money. They consider it an investment.

Billy-boy served their interests to a tee and has been lavishly rewarded for it. They know that HRC will do exactly what they tell her to do and nothing else. She is owned lock, stock and barrel by the plutocracy and the MIC.

This is as obvious as a buffalo in a phone booth but the fanboys and fangirls just close their eyes and cover their ears.

Wall Frackin Street, are not really Democrats. Supporting continuous war and the MIC are not characteristics of Democrats.

began selling off the party piecemeal to the oligarchs way back in the 1990s for the purpose of feathering their own nests. Now there are precious few real Democrats left, at least the kind that Hubert Humphrey or Ted Kennedy would recognize.

They've decided to help push the Republicon Party off the cliff, driving conservatives into the Democratic Party. Some Democrats to this day welcome them with open arms not figuring out that when they come, they bring their conservative dogmas and agendas with them. Now we have one party off the rails and another party run by the Oligarch backed Conservative Democrats. The original Left Democrats have no where to go. In 2008 the Left thought that they had a candidate in Obama. They thought that the primary battle was between a progressive and conservative. Immediately upon inauguration day it started to become apparent that the Left was snookered. The battle for the Democratic nominee was really between two conservatives that really had a lot in common.

The Princeton Study revealed that we no longer live in a Democracy but an Oligarchy. And yet, how many people, how many so-called Democrats are willing to continue to feed the Oligarch monster. I heard that Clinton's vp choice will be Goldman-Sachs. Just sayin. hi: :

The day the Geithner and Clinton appointments were announced I knew we had all been gulled, and royally.


And since any time on Saturday is beer o'clock,

This is largely a country of morons, morons who were deliberately made morons by bullshit religion and nonstop corporate propaganda. It helped that most of them had pretty low mental wattage to start with. True 'murkans have always loathed and feared education and intelligence.

There's still time to get it right and turn it around.

is the last train out of town.

Another corporatist POTUS or two may be able to keep the lid on the boiling kettle for a while, but things are going to blow big time in the next 20 years. They have to. And when a polity blows up things can get extremely ugly extremely quickly.

*The Patriot Act

*The broadening of the definition of "terrorist"

*Building a "Unitary Executive" who can execute anyone, anytime, anywhere he feels like it,
without oversight or accountability.

*The burgeoning of the Surveillance/Security State,

*The Militarization and National Control of local Police Forces


Look to me like "they" are getting ready to pull up the ladders,
and are expecting a fight when things finally get bad enough.

What it says is that TPTB have profound, deep doubts whether the uniformed military would turn on the citizenry, which I doubt they would. They remember what happened to Nicolae Ceaucescu and have made the kkops their own private army, and I have no doubts that the kkkops would gleefully massacre the citizenry.

Though there are all kinds, I don't believe our boys in the military would turn their guns on American citizens.

However, those running the drones and Air Power wouldn't hesitate,
and the paid Mercenaries (Black Water) would have NO problems gunning down Americans in the street.
They have been "conditioned" to accept civilian casualties.
Just go re-listen to the tape revealed by Chelsea Manning.

The "article" is a fish shoot plain and simple. Blaming everyone except the mass communications and political systems (and soon Texas published HS books) for falsification, confusion, and simple lies is just hog wash. The author of the piece obviously does not know how mass media works, who it allows, who it restricts or prohibits whether print or internet. The media, whether one thinks they are propaganda machines or bastions of solid thoughtful meditation control access to those who "speak" and interpretations of that which is spoken. SO, I blame the messenger (the media, in all its flavors) and not the listener ... you only know what you know and often that depends on who told you.

It's more of a top-down problem than Trump being an actual representative of what people are looking for. The powers that be are well practiced in telling us what we want and then selling it to us. That's exactly what they are doing here.

What worried them was that huge crowds of people were turning out for Sanders everywhere he went, ready to work for change for the people and against the obscenely wealthy.

They think they can keep a lid on it since they own the media and control the debates.

A phone call from Bill Clinton to Trump was made, hey Donald, whatcha doin'? How about putting on a little show, it'll be fun and you'll get lots of attention. And hey, nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.

Suddenly all of the focus was on Trump, haven't heard about Sanders more than a whisper since Trump entered the race.

Problem solved, or at least they hope so.

It's not all about Sanders and Hillary, the other benefit from this is it makes "reasonable moderates" out of people like Jeb Bush and Scott Walker, who the oligarchs would be as happy with as they would with Hillary.

Afraid to attack him. Perfect setup, it leaves the GOP candidates without and bruising from each other and scared to say anything in the primaries. They don't want Hillary in the general so they are running against Hillary and Obama.

He's the only candidate that promises to deport 11 million people. Never mind that it's not feasible, the rank and file of the GOP have figured out that the big money chamber of commerce crowd that runs the GOP has no problem with an infinite supply of low wage labor they dont have to pay on the books with benefits.

So Trump taps into that.

The anti-choicers are motivated, but their numbers are either steady or dwindling. Same with gay marriage opponents. In many ways they have lost the culture war and some of them are figuring that out. No one gives a shit for Rick Santorum, and Huckabee is only a sliver more popular than that.

The pro-war faction of the GOP, I suspect, is a bit burned out from 14 years of war. The lawn order people are not as strong in the party as they used to be, as evidenced by the tepid support Christie's flatulence on shit like the patriot act or locking up pot smokers, has received.

Conversely, the rand paul libertarians will never command enough of a percentage to actually drive the bus.

Walker, Bush, and Kaisch have very little of substance to say right now because almost anything they do is gonna piss off some chunk of the party.

So you're left with anger over immigration- and Trump.

When you remind them the Reagan oversaw the greatest amnesty push in our history their eyes glaze over. When you remind them that it is truly the GOP who want illegal immigration so that their businesses can thrive on cheap labor, their eyes become inflamed. When you remind them that under this administration more illegal immigrants have been deported that under the last three Presidents combined they become enraged. You can give them facts and information and literally cause them to stroke out. I don't know if it their blatant racism or irrational fear...but it has them all by the balls and brains. They can't think straight.

But then this is the GOP primary process we're talking about.

Cities. In LA schools and services suffer. Not all will admit it on the left but on the right they see it as a real problem and blame them.

we will be in for 4 years of pure hell.

my blood pressure spikes when some here admonish those of us who have felt the anger and smelled the fetid breath of these knuckle-draggers to "dialogue" with them.
Go around them when you can and over them when you must, but don't for a second think you can "reason" with such proud ignorance.

we tried to rid ourselves of it when we left England but many people believe there must be an upper class and a lower class. Which is about money and power. What is freaking out so many of them now is our lower class contains mainly minorities (and some whites, yes) and when the whites become the minority, will we become the lower class? If we play by the rules we imposed on them we will.

We Americans are optimists and hope/think we'll be rich some day and we'll want lower taxes and people to listen to us without asking tough questions.

It's why so many southerners who did not own slaves supported secession.

cultivated and grown this Garden of Hate?

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Trump is leaving all his flanks open while the others have so many flanks open they are afraid to attack. Trump always attacks their weaknesses right off the bat full force and they fold under his so-called "charisma." Pathetic. He's alienated almost all women except Sarah Palin and all the Mexicans.

Fiorina might be the only one willing to attack him.

who couldn't win a job of dogcatcher without it.

Fox News is the problem.

Ending the Fairness Act, leaving the 'education' of the populace to corporations, is the problem.

MONEY is the problem.

I do NOT agree with the average American supports these morons.

Bernie eg, beats all of their top three candidates.

Denying the American people of REAL choices, is the problem.

But mostly, EDUCATION, which was destroyed by Bush's NCLB or lack of it, is the problem.

Ignorance can be cured by EDUCATION. That is WHY Education has been under attack for a decade and a half.

Those who would labor and invest and provide fiduciary cover for corporations.

Thanks to them, corporations are now people. The most hateful, conservative, racist, greedy, ignorant, violent and apathetic people one could know and they side with them without a second thought.

Thanks to them, our democracy is a joke and our society is collapsing. Figuratively and literally.

We all have to live, if it can be called that, in the most democracy Wall St and its sycophants will allow. It will only end when they start to take the mantle of humanity seriously.

Based of my observations, they never will. For most, sadly, the allure of money for ones self far outweighs doing what is best for all others.

is the crust of bad leadership over global society going into a severe test and crisis of existence on this planet.

Millions of people will support anything but need the best not the worst. Most want the best. The worst orchestrate advantage over reason and the commons. The only trumpet in town. Our world is slipping away. The majority will have to do something, hopefully preserving all those impossible, painful values the top has literally cast into the gutter. Nor is the top so much evil as naturally diseased by merely having what a human rarely can safely have- too much money fame and power.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027054207


And the reason that D Trump is so popular with Americans is because Americans are mean spirited, spoiled , self centered , blood thirsty bigoted little people. With fat asses. Just look around. Americans with their KKK flags they still don't get it, Americans waddling around Wall Mart looking for cheap crap to satisfy their urge to buy and own junk. The never ending urge to indulge in every fucking thing that is slothful and gross. In America where its actually against the rules to tell the truth lest a maximum profit not be realized. Where pills are so plentiful that every American had hundreds. Where the water supply is actually polluted by pharmaceutical drugs. In America you can buy a gun no questions asked but no cold medicine.

Americans sit in front of their tvs cheering while we shoot missiles into buildings in far off lands. Americans cheer for that.

Screaming , yelling waving their fist ugly Americans are mean ignorant people. Seething quietly in their lairs , Americans are angry and mean. In 2015, Americans are not a happy bunch. Tied to the plow of the bourgeoisie constantly reminded of the debt owed to and expectations that can never be out run. Americans who think they know the difference between right and wrong praying to a mythical deity living in fear and starving themselves of what the half full glass could possibly offer. Because they want it all. And when they get it all , they want more. And then Americans pile of junk is just a depressing pile of junk and the depression becomes anger. Thats why Americans are mean. Thats why the support D Trump.
Trump owns that party , As hard as fix news tries to ditch him ,he just gets stronger. Hes like an isect that has built up a tolerance for poison and now actually feeds on poison. The republicans are made of poison. They have built a base of poison for the past 50 years. Its in their DNA. And the Frankenstien they created has come home to take his rightful place at the head of the table serving poison and hate. The cult of mean people.

D Trump is a close personal friend of Hill And Bill. Hes taking the mean people and leading them like a pied piper, right off a cliff.