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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:01 AM Aug 2015

How America Scares Off Foreign Tourists (xpost from Foreign Affairs)

http://watchingamerica.com/WA/2015/08/07/how-america-scares-off-foreign-tourists/

Planning a visit to the United States? Well, good luck! Gaining entry into the U.S. is becoming more of a hassle year by year. Inane questions are the least of the problem – and woe unto anyone foolish enough to crack a joke.

How America Scares Off Foreign Tourists
Published in Frankfurter Rundschau (Germany) on 4 August 2015 by Daniel Haufler [link to original]
Translated from German by Ron Argentati. Edited by Helaine Schweitzer.
Posted on August 7, 2015.

The United States is still a popular destination for immigrants and tourists. That should make Americans happy because they need immigrants, without whom some industries would collapse, and they need tourists because they spend a lot of money, without which a lot of jobs would cease to exist. Still, America's politicians and border guards have tried their best to avoid giving the impression that visitors or immigrants are always welcome. They say they want to build walls on the U.S.-Mexican border, and they constantly threaten any potential immigrants with deportation.

Tourists don't fare quite as badly, but the trip in has been getting less and less pleasant by the year. Visa applications are time consuming and expensive. Those who have the long flight behind them then run into a long line of cranky customs officials who appear to have been trained by former East German border guards. They ask stupid, unnecessary questions and demand to scan your fingerprints for the umpteenth time. And woe unto those who crack a joke – they might just as well turn right around and fly back home.

A Strange Way To Do Business

Here's what actually happened to Aimee Valentina Schneider, a graduate of a high school in the state of Hessen. She engaged in a Facebook chat with a second cousin in the United States and offered to take care of her children for four months in their own home. A U.S. customs official therefore accused Schneider of neglecting to state in her visa application that she was seeking work as an au pair in the United States. Her application was determined therefore to be fraudulent and she was immediately deported from the United States.

This incident is so grotesque one could only laugh about it – if it weren't so serious. On the one hand, Aimee Valentina Schneider's personal rights were grossly violated, something that ought to be considered scandalous in the United States. On the other hand, it raises this question: Do U.S. border officials really want to make the image of the ugly American any uglier than it already is? They need to think about that, particularly when it comes to their closest allies and friends. And lastly, where is the reaction of German politicians?
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How America Scares Off Foreign Tourists (xpost from Foreign Affairs) (Original Post) unhappycamper Aug 2015 OP
It's bad for those of us Americans who try to come back after being abroad for awhile. a la izquierda Aug 2015 #1
I got grilled after being away for a week Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #16
It sucks. I can't believe anyone willingly comes here. a la izquierda Aug 2015 #17
enlighten more like. n/t LittleGirl Aug 2015 #19
We're being programmed with fear elias49 Aug 2015 #2
I have seen the future Johnny Noshoes Aug 2015 #3
This happened to my wife in Vermont DFW Aug 2015 #4
good grief, those examples are stupid LittleGirl Aug 2015 #5
Unless you get a supervisor, border guards are the lottery DFW Aug 2015 #10
I know the one of the greatest violinists in the world, Clara-Jumi Kang. pangaia Aug 2015 #6
Here is an article from 2012. German customs struck twice DFW Aug 2015 #11
Interesting...Pretty assinine, if you ask me. pangaia Aug 2015 #14
Completely DFW Aug 2015 #15
I was in Portugal for 3 days last week. pangaia Aug 2015 #22
I don't think they are scared off! Adrahil Aug 2015 #7
My husband has been hassled as a Belgian national. Ilios Meows Aug 2015 #8
Go through LittleGirl Aug 2015 #18
I don't see a problem with these immigration rules. Schneider indeed failed to declare her true underahedgerow Aug 2015 #9
It's not clear that a violation occurred DFW Aug 2015 #12
The article says she was to stay for 4 months. Providing child care in exchange for housing is underahedgerow Aug 2015 #13
Just a quick pedantic point Recursion Aug 2015 #21
That rule is there to prevent human trafficking Recursion Aug 2015 #20

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
1. It's bad for those of us Americans who try to come back after being abroad for awhile.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:13 AM
Aug 2015

And I don't mean a two week vacation. I spend a lot of time abroad for work. I inevitably get grilled about what I was doing away for so long.
I finally nipped that in the bud by getting a Global Entry Card. No more idiotic questions about my work (I'm a freakin' historian, for god's sake).

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
16. I got grilled after being away for a week
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:21 PM
Aug 2015

my encounter with TSA at Hartsfield Airport in Atlanta after taking a weeklong holiday to Amsterdam was pretty much an intrusive and unpleasant third-degree questioning in an aggressive and hostile tone (much worse than anything I got from any customs/border security in Europe). I can only imagine what it's like for people who aren't US citizens.

a la izquierda

(11,797 posts)
17. It sucks. I can't believe anyone willingly comes here.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:27 PM
Aug 2015

Yeah, I know, I'm going to be pegged as one of those lefties who hates America.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
2. We're being programmed with fear
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:21 AM
Aug 2015

what a horrible way to go thru life...afraid of your neighbor, afraid of the guy at the grocery store, afraid to go to a movie.
This is another example. Fear of ebola, bird flu.
The list could go on and on.
There are too many peple these days who would apparently like to build an immense dome over the continental US (Sorry Hawaii. You're gonna be on your own) and put a gun in every hand, and deport anyone brown, jeez.
What next? Maybe a bar-code-like tattoo on every American proven to be an unwavering patriot. No tattoo? You're outta here.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
4. This happened to my wife in Vermont
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:55 AM
Aug 2015

She was visiting a friend in Vermont who took her to lunch in Canada, 15 minutes away. On returning to Vermont, the US border guard examined her German passport and asked her when she was returning to Germany. She told him, and he started yelling at her that she had entered the USA in May and had to leave earlier. She said was only in the USA for a week in May and had entered in July. The idiot was either to blind or too lazy to find the July entry stamp and threatened her with trouble if she didn't plan to leave the States one day earlier. Quick thinking (more so than the stupid border guard), she said, oh, sorry, she had given him the day of her expected arrival back in Germany and the flights from North America always leave the day before. The idiot accepted this and let her back into Vermont.

Our people aren't the only ones who act like boors, though. In Germany, a customs officer stopped a world-famous violinist on the way from a concert she gave in Japan back to Brussels, where she lived, at her stopover in Frankfurt. He asked about the violin she was carrying, which was a Stradivarius. He said she didn't have proper documents for it (her own instrument!)--as if he knew how to distinguish a Strad from a Nashville fiddle. He confiscated it, locked it up in storage who knows where (temperature and humidity can destroy these things), and it took her months to recover her violin. The German government apologized and returned her violin, but she went through hell to get it back, after being punished for her honesty. I think she'll not be flying through Frankfurt in the near future.

LittleGirl

(8,291 posts)
5. good grief, those examples are stupid
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:55 AM
Aug 2015

My friend that lived in CO is in her 20s and has a boyfriend in southern Germany. Because he had so much trouble visiting here, she got a work visa to go live with him at the university town. The US officials almost didn't let her leave the country because they didn't believe she was going to work in Germany because she didn't have a return ticket. Good grief, that b.s. shouldn't be happening to a citizen of the US who wants to go abroad.
When her boyfriend tried to come for a visit the month prior to that time, they would not let him enter the states and flew him immediately back to Germany. Told him that they didn't believe he was only coming for a visit because he hadn't booked his return flight yet. So the lesson here is book your return flight before you arrive because they may not let you enter the states.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
10. Unless you get a supervisor, border guards are the lottery
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:26 AM
Aug 2015

Sometimes you get one with both intelligence and experience. Sometimes you get one and you wonder how they ever graduated the eight grade. It's the easiest thing in the world to book a one-way trip for your return and then get a refund for it when you're over there.

I always book my round trips from Europe because 1.) I live there, and 2.) they're cheaper. At the check-in counter in the States, they always give me a hard time when I fly back to Europe because my ticket ends there. Now, I always have my German residency card ready although they have no idea what it is. I could present them with my German driver's license and they wouldn't know the difference unless it's Lufthansa, which I never take.

Luckily my daughters are dual citizens. They use their German passports when entering and leaving Germany, and their US passports when entering and leaving the USA. That way, no one gives them any grief.

One time, an American woman working for my outfit was traveling on Continental Airlines from Brussels to New York. The stupid Belgian woman at the counter found her suspicious and called security to accompany her the whole way through the airport, even to the toilet, until she boarded the plane. I wrote Continental and told them they must have Al Qaeda sleepers working at their counter in Brussels, because the only reason they could have had to make such a fuss over my assistant would be because they were testing to see how easy it would be for them to smuggle a terrorist onto a Continental plane by causing an immense and uncalled-for distraction over someone who obviously posed no danger. They wrote back with the usual platitudes about how security was their highest priority blah blah blah. I wrote back again to explain that security, judging by the behavior of their staff in Brussels was absolutely the lowest priority, and that no one from my organization would ever fly Continental again due to the high risk to our personnel. I got some stupid form letter back which I never answered, but I'll bet their staff at Zavantem got an earful.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
6. I know the one of the greatest violinists in the world, Clara-Jumi Kang.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:02 AM
Aug 2015

(THE greatest, in my opinion.) She also has a Strad, on loan from Samsung. I have never asked her about this situation. Of course she has proper documents for it.

Here are a couple of links, if you are interested. :&gt )



DFW

(54,445 posts)
15. Completely
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:11 PM
Aug 2015

The exercise of power over others because you can. For many (un-)civil servants, it's the only joy they get out of their jobs.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
22. I was in Portugal for 3 days last week.
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:51 PM
Aug 2015

When I came back and went through Customs in Newark the Customs guy was the only one I have ever seen, ever, with a smile on his face and a happy disposition. What a pleasant surprise.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
7. I don't think they are scared off!
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:05 AM
Aug 2015

I just got back from 10 days at Disney World. I had a wonderful time, and there were skads, ton, boatlads of tourists there (mostly in groups) from Brazil and Argentina. Also, lots and lota of tourists from Britain, and met a lovely family from France, who invited to stay with them when we visit France!

There seemed to be no lack of foreign tourists there.

Those examples are horrendous, though!

Ilios Meows

(26 posts)
8. My husband has been hassled as a Belgian national.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:49 AM
Aug 2015

I'm American but because he holds a Belgian passport, when we visit my family in the states, he always has to go in the 'furriners' line. He has never been detained but has definitely been grilled by CBP. Plus the immigration lines are insane for foreign visitors.

LittleGirl

(8,291 posts)
18. Go through
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 10:46 PM
Aug 2015

immigration together. My husband has a british password and we went in separate lines and they gave me a hassle in Switzerland because we got in separate lines. I am his dependent and they scolded me for not going through the same line. Nonsense crap like that is stupid.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
9. I don't see a problem with these immigration rules. Schneider indeed failed to declare her true
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:07 AM
Aug 2015

intention in the USA, this is a violation of the law. I don't see what's grotesque at all, I see a lot of drama over a woman violating US customs and immigration laws. It's not legal to work in the USA without the proper visa!

Have you see Australian and New Zealand immigration laws? Holy cow, they are far, far tougher than the USA. Canada has equally stringent border & immigration controls.

On the other hand, I would like to see immigration rules relaxed, if not eliminated for Mexicans & Canadians, creating an immigration union of sorts. After all, Mexicans are actually native Americans, considering some 2/3rds of the USA until the early 1800s actually 'was' Mexico.

At any rate, I don't see the problem here. The USA visitor laws are very easy. In every other country, of course there are two lines, one for foreigners and one for citizens. Why wouldn't there be?

Totally not clear on what the issue is here.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
12. It's not clear that a violation occurred
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:48 AM
Aug 2015

If Schneider was not being compensated for the baby-sitting, then the only reason for even applying for a visa would be because she intended to stay more than 90 days, and if family reasons was the reason for the application, then she made no fraudulent statement. German citizens don't even need a visa for stays under 90 days.

In every other country, there are NOT always two lines for foreigners and one for citizens. In the UK, there is a line for UK and commonwealth citizens, one for EU citizens and one for third-country citizens. In the EU, it's EU/Schengen (Switzerland and Norway are not EU, but are Schengen) citizens and one for third party, whether resident or not (US has a line for citizens AND green card foreigners, not just citizens).

Some U.S. officials are smart enough to know when there was an intention to violate our laws and when there wasn't. Just like some cops know when someone is threatening them with deadly force and when someone is not. The intelligent ones are not the problem. The stupid ones who like to throw their weight around are. No one dies when an immigration official get snotty with a German citizen (which is why my wife is still alive), but it doesn't help our rep when the story is told over and over again in the home country of the victim of the over-zealous uniforms. This sort of incident filters right up to the top. I know, I talk to these people and have friends in the German Press. To them, THIS is what America is like, not the hundreds of thousands who are passed through every week with no hassle whatsoever.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
13. The article says she was to stay for 4 months. Providing child care in exchange for housing is
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 01:21 PM
Aug 2015

considered au pair work, which has specific guidelines and for which she hadn't applied herself for, apparently. This is largely in order to assure that the young women aren't exploited or taken advantage of, and to ensure the well being of the families they're going to work for as well.

It sounds like the young woman just didn't do her homework before trying to travel to the US. The officers at the border were following the rules. Even Germany requires a visa for people from the US staying for longer than 3 months.

One young woman turned away at the border for not following the rules doesn't an international incident make. I doubt that any happy German families will be deterred from visiting Disneyland because of a young woman who was denied entry to the USA. If they are, they can always visit Disneyland in Paris I suppose.

And sorry, I should have said that there are two 'or more' lines at customs. Not just two!

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
21. Just a quick pedantic point
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:10 AM
Aug 2015
German citizens don't even need a visa for stays under 90 days.

German citizens are granted a visa on arrival which is valid for 90 days.
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