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MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:01 AM Aug 2015

An important lesson I learned in 1965.

As a 19 year old college dropout, I drove my beat-up $100 car to Alabama because Selma was happening. I ended up arriving too late to cross the Edmund Pettus bridge, but stood in the crowd and listened to Dr. King give his "How long?" speech.

I was among a number of white people in that crowd, but had no idea what I could actually do to help. So, I asked. More than one person told me that the best way I could help was to listen, try to understand, and not to explain my ideas of what people should do. My input was neither desired, nor needed. So, that's what I did. I listened to what the people around me were saying. There was a lot of variety in what they said, but everyone I listened to had something worth hearing. I learned a great deal.

I was not in Alabama long. I was still too unsure of myself to be of much use to anyone or any movement, so I moved on to continue my own journey of discovery, which lasted for several more years, and still continues today.

But I learned that listening and trying to understand was the most important thing for someone who was not directly affected or harmed by the racism and hatred that was so evident. The term "whitesplaining" did not exist, but I got that it was not helpful or useful. That was the lesson I took away from Alabama, fifty years ago. It has been a useful lesson in many ways.

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An important lesson I learned in 1965. (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2015 OP
Did they call you a "white supremicist liberal"? HooptieWagon Aug 2015 #1
No, they didn't. A few, however, did say that MineralMan Aug 2015 #2
Another excellent post mcar Aug 2015 #3
Thank you. MineralMan Aug 2015 #7
Thank you for your thoughtful post BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #4
Thank you for that interesting information. MineralMan Aug 2015 #6
K&R. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #5
Listening is one of the best ways to learn anything. Stuart G Aug 2015 #8
listening is a rare skill Kali Aug 2015 #9
Thanks MM. Great story--and lesson for all. riversedge Aug 2015 #10
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. Did they call you a "white supremicist liberal"?
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:10 AM
Aug 2015

And say you weren't humble enough before them? #BowDownMineralMan?

Interesting that Sanders civil rights support was welcome in the 60s, when Hillary was a Goldwater Girl opposing the Civil Rights Act. Now she has 100s of millions of Wall St dollars to hire people to do her dirty work.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
2. No, they didn't. A few, however, did say that
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 11:18 AM
Aug 2015

it was "their fight," not mine and that I should stay out of it. Others encouraged me to become involved through voter registration and other efforts. Nobody called me any names, though. I asked, and I got answers. I listened, and gained a better understanding.

Beyond that, I have no comment on your post.

BumRushDaShow

(129,543 posts)
4. Thank you for your thoughtful post
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:02 PM
Aug 2015

The issue we see today and that you saw 50 years ago and that ironically happened just over 50 years before that, is something that many of us have tried to point out regarding a large but loyal segment of the population who support liberal/progressive ideals (whenever we actually had the legal ability to even vote and even then, when we couldn't but pushed for reform anyway - in every era of this nation).

As a note about the "50 years before that" - During the Suffragan movement, you had black women like Ida B. Wells-Barnett, who was an activist in the anti-lynching movement and eventually got involved in the push for voting rights for women, But not so ironically, the following excerpt (from Northern Illinois University) basically summarizes what happened -

Perhaps one of Wells-Barnett's most important stands occurred at the March 3, 1913, National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA) parade in the nation's capital. NAWSA was the national umbrella organization for state suffrage affiliates. Its history dated to 1890 when the National Woman Suffrage Association and the American Woman Suffrage Association merged their forces and resources. The primary goal was to enfranchise women. But, NAWSA did not always embrace all women. The southern white women encouraged to seek membership in NAWSA adhered to the same white supremacy ideology that their men championed. Dependence on southerners for the passage of full suffrage rights for women muffled any opposition that NAWSA might have harbored to the usurpation of the social, economic, and political rights that blacks gained during the Reconstruction years. NAWSA refused to publicly denounce racial segregation, adopted a policy of expediency, and accepted Jim Crow within its own ranks. This left the door open for state affiliates to discriminate against black women. But Illinois suffragists had always embraced African-American women like Wells-Barnett and encouraged their participation in the state movement. The Women's State Central Committee, for example, utilized Wells-Barnett's lecturing skills and enlisted her aid in canvassing the state to encourage women to organize and develop political knowledge.

Despite the progressive attitude of white female Illinois suffragists, they refused to support her in the historic suffrage march in Washington. Carrying banners representing almost every state in the Union, thousands of parade marchers underscored the demand for universal female enfranchisement. Wells-Barnett was one of sixty-five enthusiastic delegates from Illinois and one of many black women who participated in the march. But the African-American women were instructed to gather as one unit at the end of the procession because the NAWSA forbade the integration of state affiliates in the march. Wells-Barnett refused to comply with the NAWSA demand and instead lined up with her state contingent. Grace Wilbur Trout, president of the Illinois Equal Suffrage Association and chairperson of the group, initially sanctioned the integrated group. But after meeting with a NAWSA official, she told the delegation that Wells-Barnett could not march with the state contingent. Further, if they failed to follow the instructions set forth by the NAWSA, the entire delegation would be denied participation in the march.

Angry at the blatant disregard for her rights as a woman and as an Illinois resident, Wells-Barnett refused to comply. It was time to confront racism within the suffrage movement. Southern women, she argued, had evaded the issues of race, and the NAWSA and its state affiliates had allowed it. She wanted the Illinois group to show the nation that it was progressive enough to stand against NAWSA's hypocrisy of oppressing women because of their race while embracing the idea of equality for all women at the ballot box. Her pleas, however, fell on deaf ears. So did the pleas of two white colleagues, Belle Squire and Virginia Brooks.

http://www.lib.niu.edu/1996/iht319630.html

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
6. Thank you for that interesting information.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 02:07 PM
Aug 2015

The problems are of long, long standing. When will we learn?

Stuart G

(38,449 posts)
8. Listening is one of the best ways to learn anything.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:14 PM
Aug 2015

I agree with you completely..

If we watch people carefully and listen at the same time, and say nothing our ability to learn is incredible.

If we are always telling everyone our views, what do we learn?.
.Further if we listen and watch very carefully, we can often tell who is lying and who is telling the truth. That too opens a new door to understanding. Your post is terrific, and thank you for sharing with us your experience...Stuart..

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