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FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:33 PM Aug 2015

Mara Jacqueline Willaford shared Shon Meckfessel's post.

The following shared post is from BLM Seattle activist Mara Jacqueline Willaford's FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/mara.willaford

Original post with comments is at:

https://www.facebook.com/shonpunk/posts/10152998798928456?pnref=story

Shon Meckfessel

[Reposting my post from earlier without the preview after several requests for a more sharable version - please share!]

Ok, in response to a heavy stream of responses to yesterday's action, I'm going to try to break this down.

I'm an anarchist and I'm not going to vote for any of the presidential candidates. If in your view that means I don't have a place to say anything on this, then don't bother reading the rest of this or commenting, because obviously there's no reason for us to have a conversation. (I'll delete if you try since after decades I'm pretty bored with it.)

Unlike probably most of you reading this, I have actually been close with a few of these high level politician people and have a pretty good idea how they work. I don't love them or hate them, since they function in far too structured a position to have much to do with them personally. Through the hiker's campaign, I was proxy for two years to all-too-many conversations with the white house and state dept and spent hours a day with friends making fine calculations about how these folks - including Obama and Hillary with whom they met repeatedly - work. I worked directly with a few myself, independently, in a number of countries. And that campaign (specifically Sarah's work), as a number of articles attest, directly resulted in establishing the diplomatic channels which have come to fruition in the Iran nuclear deal, which I passionately support. (I definitely think influencing policy can be worth it - I just know that voting is about the least effective way to do it.)

For a clear example preceding that, a few years ago, I was sitting in my friend's place in Philadelphia and, 40 in hand, I answered the phone. It was the white house. They were calling for my (anarchist punk) friends with a question about their AIDS policy. My friends were active with ACT-UP, who did indeed have ideas - even politically viable ones - for what the administration should be doing with their AIDS policy. But you know why the white house called? It wasn't because ACT UP had been saying "You have my vote!" or sending in postcards to anybody. It's because, for years, they'd been part of a group publicly taking huge risks, and publicly showing their courage by locking their bodies down to desks, blocking roads, shouting down meetings, and doing every courageous thing their bodies could withstand (some died) to interfere with business as usual. Over time, not always in a single action, people realized they knew what they were talking about, including the white house - whose "experts" (the positions had been created only because of earlier generations of ACT-UP) spent more time building their networks and horse-trading than trying to stay alive with the latest regime of cocktail meds, or meeting with the front-line researchers who knew what needed to happen next, profitable or not. Here's the key - my friends didn't hate those people, just like I certainly don't hate Bernie or really care about Obama or Hillary or Trump as people. The key is, the very nature of their work as politicians puts them out of touch with developing realities, and sometimes they know it. Their job is knowing that, and trying to keep track in the latest shifts of power and discourse, the kinds of shifts that might help them win or get reelected. (If they did something else as their job, then someone else would be very ready take their position.) And because that's what they HAVE to care about, they realize, sometimes, on their better days, that those few folks on the ground crazy enough to put their asses on the line might well be more in touch with those latest shifts - they might even be making them.

If you look at the history of how real social change has happened in this or any country, it follows this kind of pattern. Social tension accumulates, people finally get fed up and figure out how to disrupt the systems of daily reproduction, and then repression comes down like Seattle rain. Soon, though, the status quo elites realize if they're not going to be fighting that same fight over and over again, they have to get the disruptors to calm down, so they tweak things and allow whatever reforms that they think will bring social peace so that they can get back to business as usual. Revolution happens when those tweaks aren't sufficient, and reforms when they are. And our discontent is what determines not only the difference, but even what reform concessions are given in the first place. The policy changes don't happen out of the goodness of anybody's heart - they're the effect of this process of forceful negotiation. Again, at some point, those tweaks aren't enough, and then the social pressure outlasts the system.

Nothing reveals the profound authoritarian mindset in this culture like the naively trustful, not functional, way we approach our "representatives." It's like following the Kardashian's love lives like you're some concerned relative (you're not.) One veteran Left feminist organizer and university professor friend I spoke with yesterday just said, "Why is everybody so upset? We're just pressuring Bernie to move left on this, which might get Hillary to follow." It's not about being "for" or "against" Bernie, and people working on that level - the level of one vote - aren't having much influence on anybody. Bernie isn't there to "have my back," as one hate mail I got yesterday insisted - he's there to gather votes and win and make promises and policies that build his constituency, like any politician. That's their job. Most of the time, given the scale and structure needed to navigate our political system, those promises are dishonest and those policies are designed to benefit those powerful enough to actually influence "representatives" through the daily routine of campaign donations, lobbying, influence bartering, and backdoor deals. (Talk to anyone who's worked in the sector, this is the daily currency.) I'm totally up for believing that Bernie or Kshama or whoever means well and is going to do this with integrity, and stand for "people before profit" or whatever through this system - I think success is unlikely given the structure of our political apparatus (Obama, anyone?) but I won't judge or get in their way. But even with them, the way to get their ear isn't to tell them you like them. And you know, if you don't think that Bernie understands all this, just watch his speeches and policies in the next few weeks, and you can bet that he's going to be trying pretty hard to say the kind of things to get us to calm down a little - maybe even putting forward concrete policy changes like holding individual officers responsible for homicidal negligence, or protecting citizens' constitutional right to film police.

Or, as I just learned while typing this, maybe he'll hire Symone Sanders, "a young, black, criminal justice advocate and supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement," as the national press secretary, and announce it six hours after Mara and Marissa disrupt his event since he hasn't said shit about what's obviously the central issue of the moment. So far, all he's done is express "support" the movement (as if that's what the movement was for), and calling for an end to private prisons (a marginal part of the problem). Oh look! And also apparently he just added a "racial justice" page to his website as of yesterday!
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Mara Jacqueline Willaford shared Shon Meckfessel's post. (Original Post) FrodosPet Aug 2015 OP
This person (the one whose post is relayed in the OP) SheilaT Aug 2015 #1
Black or white, old or young, male or female matt819 Aug 2015 #2
This shit pisses me off./ romanic Aug 2015 #3
Yes, so cynical and SO WRONG. Symone came to Bernie, he did not seek sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #8
I don't like this... catnhatnh Aug 2015 #4
what drivel. And Mara is a nasty violent piece of work. cali Aug 2015 #5
Results... Major Nikon Aug 2015 #6
They can't defend, so they try to hide. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #9
"I'm an anarchist and I'm not going to vote for any of the presidential candidates" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #7
With "40 in hand" GusBob Aug 2015 #10
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
1. This person (the one whose post is relayed in the OP)
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:44 PM
Aug 2015

has absolutely no way to change anything.


I'm an anarchist and I'm not going to vote for any of the presidential candidates.


She apparently thinks the change she wants will magically happen if enough people get angry and fed up enough. In reality, the majority of potential voters are quite apathetic, and don't really care about any sort of real change.

In reality, working within the system can accomplish a lot. Laws get passed, sometimes very significant laws that change things in a fundamental way. Right now we're in a time when those who are very afraid of women, minorities, real economic equality, are all trying to move things back a century or two. They've made a few gains for themselves, but it won't last.

It especially won't last if we start electing people who do want significant change.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
2. Black or white, old or young, male or female
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 02:53 PM
Aug 2015

This person is just so damned immature.

It's easy to be an anarchist. You're just opposed to everything. Where nature abhors a vacuum, the anarchist craves a vacuum, not for any particular purpose other than that it perpetuates anarchy.

Let's see. How's that working in, say, Syria, or Somalia?

It's harder to be for something and to work toward that objective. That requires a vision, a goal, and a plan. Thought, commitment. Being an anarchist requires, well, nothing.

They contribute nothing, and all the blither in the world - and that post is nothing but blither - changes nothing.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
3. This shit pisses me off./
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:04 PM
Aug 2015

This in particular.

Or, as I just learned while typing this, maybe he'll hire Symone Sanders, "a young, black, criminal justice advocate and supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement," as the national press secretary, and announce it six hours after Mara and Marissa disrupt his event since he hasn't said shit about what's obviously the central issue of the moment. So far, all he's done is express "support" the movement (as if that's what the movement was for), and calling for an end to private prisons (a marginal part of the problem). Oh look! And also apparently he just added a "racial justice" page to his website as of yesterday!


FUCK THIS WORTHLESS LITTLE ASSHOLE! Sanders isn't doing any of this to impress you, Marissa, or any of your attention-seeking, dead-eyed, pseudo-intellectual, soulless and straight-up muthafucking stupid assed "anarchist" friends either. He's doing it to help solve the issues that face black folk. If you think anarchy is going to help black people you assholes are not only stupid, but my enemy along with racist cops and republicans!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Yes, so cynical and SO WRONG. Symone came to Bernie, he did not seek
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:25 PM
Aug 2015

her out. She came to him because of people like THIS, who are trying to prevent AAs from getting to know about one of the best advocates they have had in elected office.

She supported him. How disrespectful to this woman.

Now we know they were never sincere, same with those here who pretended 'concern' but when Symone got her wish, and what a great way for her to help the AA cause to move into the public consciousness, and got the job, I have no seen one of the 'concerned' applaud her and support her.

It is all so blatantly clear.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
4. I don't like this...
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 03:22 PM
Aug 2015

but it is neither stupid or illogical. If you dismiss the power of the vote (and the current political trends tend to make people do just this) then what is laid out is a plan to force political change.

Neither is it totally divorced from the activism of the 60's that we often mythologize here.

As politically involved people with hopes that Sanders is a real new populist model for a surge of new voters and real change we think these people have screwed up strategically while they feel they have succeeded tactically.

If this represents the genuine thrust of the BLM movement then we must accept that we can never be allies-just two groups who desire some of the same changes, but cannot work cooperatively. If this is the case then we must strive to succeed without them while supporting their end goals and deploring their methods.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
6. Results...
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:20 PM
Aug 2015

On Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:01 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Mara Jacqueline Willaford shared Shon Meckfessel's post.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027063304

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

ToS Violation

Respect people's privacy.
Do not post or link to any private/personal information about any person, even if it is publicly available elsewhere on the Internet.

Linking to a persons personal FB page isn't allowed under the ToS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:17 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Linking to a personal facebook page is a TOS violation so the post does meet the criteria for hiding it.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: People post facebook links quite frequently here.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Call it jury nullification then, but this crap deserves to be seen.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Both pages linked are public pages, and openly available to any who want to read them. Personal information (other than the one's education) is not listed on the profiles. These young women want their moment in the spotlight, and while I personally wouldn't indulge them, they are the ones seeking attention, and in doing so, have made themselves public figures. (It is easy enough to make Facebook pages private. They chose to make them public.)

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
7. "I'm an anarchist and I'm not going to vote for any of the presidential candidates"
Mon Aug 10, 2015, 05:24 PM
Aug 2015

Go fuck yourself then, dude.

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