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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 11:19 PM Aug 2015

Saying "NYC taxi drivers are unionized" is disingenuous

There are 51,000 yellow and green cab drivers in New York City, who compete with each other for the 13,000 medallions the city has allowed. Because a cabbie cannot afford the $500k+ it takes to buy a medallion, he or she must pay a daily lease of a medallion (generally along with the car, though a few cabbies provide their own) from the cab service that owns the medallion (this can cost hundreds of dollars per day). None of the cabbies are employees of the cab services; they are independent contractors. Nobody is getting health insurance or accruing vacation leave here. They have to pay for the gas they use.

Of these 51,000 medallion cab drivers, 15,000 are in the National Taxi Workers' Alliance, which was recently affiliated with the AFL-CIO (and is the first independent contractors' association to be affiliated; AFL-CIO was resistant for a long time to that idea). The cabbies do not have collective bargaining rights or agreements with the medallion owners. Cabbies are not protected by FLSA. As the drivers are independent contractors, the cab service can set whatever hours requirements they wish for them. A cabbie is not guaranteed to make even the minimum wage (most do, though they still make less than Uber drivers).

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Saying "NYC taxi drivers are unionized" is disingenuous (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2015 OP
If the National Taxi Workers' Alliance is considered Downwinder Aug 2015 #1
It's an interesting question, isn't it? (nt) Recursion Aug 2015 #2
And the AMA and ABA? Downwinder Aug 2015 #3
The true definition of a racket. joshcryer Aug 2015 #4
The city preserves a few "legacy" owner-operator medallions Recursion Aug 2015 #5

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
1. If the National Taxi Workers' Alliance is considered
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:28 AM
Aug 2015

a Union wouldn't the Chamber of Commerce also be a Union?

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
4. The true definition of a racket.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 05:52 AM
Aug 2015

I don't know how that is even legal, 'renting out' medallions or making them cost so much.

I didn't believe it when you said that medallions costed $500k+ because that's utterly preposterous, but I saw this article:

On Thursday, at the city’s first medallion auction in over five years, the largest bid for a “mini-fleet” of two medallions exceeded $2.5 million, by far the highest ever recorded. At the last auction, in 2008, the high bid on a similar package was a little over $1.3 million. In 2004, the offer fetched less than $350,000.

While the auction on Thursday focused on pairs of “corporate medallions,” for cabs that do not have to be driven by their owners, individual medallions have also attracted ballooning sums. Today, the average market price is more than $1 million. In November 2008, it was less than $550,000.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/nyregion/1-million-medallions-stifling-the-dreams-of-cabdrivers.html


I'm not a huge fan of Uber because it basically is contracting out work to individuals at the lowest standards (drunk Uber's are a thing, very rare for a YelloCab; though Uber is working on fixing that it's still insane that solutions weren't part of the thing from the start). Uber is going to be one of the first companies to enter the automated car industry, so they're basically using labor to get rid of it one day (so it's not a fan of labor by any stretch of the imagination).

Watch the medallions stay in place once automated cars are on the road and the cost may even skyrocket further. And it would be super easy to enforce because surely automated cars (autos) will be pretty damn easy to track / know about. Anyone trying to rent out their auto for people to use would be sanctioned, etc (like, people who have a self-driving car and they aren't using it so they sign up to an app that lets the car be auto driven by other people).
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