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in his lifetime

Ronny was an *hole with a smile.

I was an undergraduate student at the university when all the federal funding was cut to the solar programs - I had a some friends in the physics department that lost their student reseatch positions. There was a lot of activity studying solar power back then and then under Reagan it was just. stopped.

America would have been the leader in renewable energy.
They must never be forgiven.

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Basturd cut my financial aid in half, jacked my tuition 20%+, and then fucked up the economy so my father got laid off.

I still haven't done law school. Fucker!

I'm sorry! The Rethugs have done so much damage

he knew that sending billions and billions and billions to the middle east would come back in a bad way

also - the move away from world aid would lead to failed states and more trouble

fucking raygun

Wait, on second thought, he was spot on on his timing. Too bad he was followed by a sham of a President.

My father has been an air conditioning and heating guy all his life.

In the carter years he started a solar company. It went along for a couple of years and then he went out of business. I always wondered why. I was just a kid at the time, but I loved the solar hot dog cookers.

It was years later that I put together his going out of business and Rayguns election and changing the solar subsidies.

Now the funny part.

My Dad is a total ditto head republican. Even when his business was destroyed by his party he still keeps going back for more.

I guess that isn't really funny.

I could go on and on really about all the ways his party has screwed him personally and have with him over the years but he never budges.

Sad really.

During the Bush years I begged him not to vote for him both times. His grandchild has diabetes and when Shrub stopped the stem cell research that was a huge thing for us. I explained this all to him and yet he just went with the it is messing with creation thing or something.

Fast forward to now he has gone blind from cataracts that can now be cured or at least vastly improved thanks to stem cell research. however it is too late for him the damage is too severe now. Had stem cell research not been halted he would likely be able to see. Still he will vote republican again....

Sorry it was late, it is glaucoma he has not cataracts.

No cure with stem cells or any other treatment.

In fact, the "promising" treatments that were going to be developed were a bust.

Stem Cells are 21st century snake oil.

It is sort of early to call it a bust though considering there are lots of studies ongoing.

This one claims it is getting results http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/840736

Regardless there are certainly things being done with stem cells today that are helping people. The stoppage of research by bush did not help anyone.

I have no moral or scientific objection to embryonic stem cells.

I just think they were way over sold to he American people.

Remember Edwards saying that if Kerry were elected, Christopher Reeve would walk again?

Snake oil.

Far more cures (if they ever materialize) will be developed from adult stem cells anyway.

He watches Fox and listens to Rush?

Sounds similar to my Dad, totally voting against his (and his family's) own best interests.

They have been brainwashed/propagandized.

A vote for Mitt or The Donald will reward you in Heaven.

irrational hope. They've bought into the idea that a little hard work protects them from poverty, calamity, fraud, etc. They believe in the dead "American dream."

and those dirty socialists and unions and the regulations too

back in the early 2000s. Every week, he had on a "dittohead" friend and the friend would spout some talking points from Rush, and Franken would calmly shoot down each talking point with things like actual facts. Finally, Al got fed up and said he gave the friend X number of days to find something actually 100% factual on Rush's show (I think it was 30 days?) - and the guy could not do it.

Finally, Al asked him why he kept listening to Rush if all he does is lie to him, and the guy thought about it and said it isn't what Rush says, it's how he says it. (the attitude/anger behind what Rush is saying, if I recall)

So, Fox, Rush, and others don't really have to care about facts (and it shows) - as long as they give their base the right attitude.

Too many never budge.

Their small company services the big wind turbines, but they complain constantly of some amorphous gubment -- not Republicans! -- cutting wind energy subsidies that affects their livelihood, but they always support the same politicians that vote for petroleum subsidies. They moan about too many regulations, even though it's focused on benefiting their competition in the fossil fuels industry. He's also against stronger safety regs, even though to benefits his company with an insurance discount for compliance and extra training. Forget clean air and water, even though he has a respiratory condition and a couple of his little grandkids have asthma problems, the damn government still shouldn't interfere with the private business of pollution.


They all opposed everything about the EPA, even though it backs their sole revenue source. And yes, my dear brother is against Social Security (even though he is on it), and hates, hates, hates Obamacare (even though his wife and some of his own kids and grandkids are on it).

As best as I can figure, there's no logic or reason behind his inconsistencies, it's all the ideological propaganda he gets from his daily indoctrination sessions provided by FoxNews and rightwing hate radio.

...as part of the deal he made to keep Americans held hostage in order to win the election.


Well, it's all true except we can't confirm what actually happened to the solar panels.

Reagan more or less signaled an end to the conservation campaign following the OPEC embargo of 1973. Detroit went back to building the big cars and trucks with the big gas-guzzling engines they were known for; the oil companies loved it.

So sorry to hear that he's ill.

DU is thinking of you, President Carter.

which caused a whole generation of scientists to leave the field to pursue other work. Decades later, other scientists had to start all over. What a tremendous waste.

If we had continued on the path Carter started us on, we would have greatly reduced our oil dependence in the following ten years.

Why does he get a pass?

IIRC, they were sufficient to supply all the White House's hot-water needs, without resort to any other energy source.

It's worth remembering that solar can be used to displace fossil fuels in ways other than photovoltaic. It's more efficient to use the solar energy to heat the water than it is to use the solar energy to generate electricity and then use the electricity to heat the water.

I knew the PV cost had come down but I didn't know it was that dramatic. Thanks for the chart!

If you look at the period between 1977 and 1981 they came down a lot. Had there been more of a demand for solar panels, the price would have dropped faster, and today we would have them cheaper than we do today. With that demand comes more research for more efficient solar panels, so not only would those panels have been cheaper, they would also be much more efficient than the ones we have today.

They are such a pain.

Remember that Bush put up a machine gun nest in their place!

Clinton did not but Obama did a couple of years into his term.

Don't forget to forget.

most corrupt of any in US history over 124 convictions.

He and his pals took the USA from a creditor nation to a debtor nation.

The most F-ed part is that lots of those who call themselves Democrats voted for him twice.

The only solace I have is that many of those that voted for Rancid Ronnie are suffering the most today because of GOP policies which many were/are continued by the last 2 democratic presidents without change or amendment. They deserve what they get for their vote.

came some of the same goons that were with tricky dick and who fought President Carter tooth and nail the whole way, some of the same jackasses we suffer with today. That led us into the quagmire of Iraqistan, that opposes the very existence of President Obama.
Early on when I first came here we had a poster, sorry I don't remember the name, who had access to some of those vacuum tubes that made up the solar panels that President Carter had installed, for sale. I almost bought a few just so I could say I did but for some reason I didn't. It wasn't a matter of money at the time but rather a lot on my plate that required my attention and in that I let them slip away.
Maybe one of our older members will remember what I'm talking about and give us an update on this.
Peace Malaise
I just had an urge to give you a hug, hope thats ok

I'd love an update on that,
I love hugs - back at yah. Have a nice day.

My memory isn't that bad. I know what you said when it was announced Carter had cancer. But enjoy the adulation.

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There's nothing wrong with what you wrote.

President Carter has lived a long and useful life to humanity. He's greatly loved and respected by many people all over the world. He's been blessed with much intelligence and was positioned in life to use it.

Not so many of us will live to 90 years old and will be able to say that about ourselves.

^THIS^

Because there are many posters in that thread that understand and agree with the sentiment.

wearing their own ignorance like it's a crown.Stupid and proud of it.

put Brumby rockers on the Truman Balcony to sit, rock and relax...an old-fashioned and green way to wind down.

Also put on a sweater and turned the thermostat down in the winter.

Small things, but he walked the walk in every way.

Carter sure walks the walk from then to now

No purpose at all to it other than to be an asshole.

proffered to the people on this dick move. I wasn't successful in finding any specifics on what if anything he said publicly, but it's generally reported that he thought they were a "publicity stunt" (ya know, something the Reagan admin would never employ to sell their own ideas) and that they were "unnecessary." Whether or not they were "necessary" is subjective, but it seems that they were funtional, and not merely symbolic.

Those panels were functional, despite accusations by the Rs that their installation was nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Here's an interesting article from Scientific American with some details about those solar panels from then to now. Some excerpts:

Carter is too good for this corrupt and sick society.

Unfortunately, we took the wrong path. This image may come from The Onion, but it sure speaks the truth:



I only hope it's not too late for civilization to reverse that error.

to heat water for the cafeteria.

Raygun was a dunce.

yup

by then. Now if we could only find explanations for the rest GOP and there ridiculous science denials. Although, I think finding a cure for greed would greatly reduce their ranks.

One of the things I have never forgiven Bill Clinton for was NOT replacing the Solar Panels on the White House on DAY 1.

THAT would have sent a message.

I just HOPE the Dems that voted for that monster AND GWB in 2000 realize how deeply they betrayed the party and this country.

at President Carter. IOW perfectly in character for the Zombie King Reagan. Absolutely sickened me then and still does.

But Jimmy Carter is still respected around the world and ZKR is mostly forgotten by all but the neoliberal bleaters and the Klown Bus.

installing solar equipment. My spouse and I covered our roof in photovoltaic solar electric panels and a solar water heater. We had the first all solar powered house in Key West.

The week they were supposed to be completely installed a huge storm was brewing and the guys helping us said they had to leave to "tie down their boats." We asked them to just rig up the thing so if the storm knocked out the City Electric power, that we could enjoy our solar powered electricity.

The funniest thing happened. Key West lost power for almost five days and people kept knocking on our door wanting to know why we had lights and music. And on the last night before the power went back on, the Key West City Electric people knocked on our door and asked if they could plug into our power so they could see what they were doing since it was so late at night.

That was a kind of synchronicity that I'll always treasure.

Not that we need tit for tat, but most people seem to be blind to their own kind.

whose bombing killed 73 people on a Cuban airliner.

I had a friend on that aircraft and do not plan to forget

if we had had some sort of "Manhattan Project" for solar, we'd probably have a nation that's almost 100% powered by solar (with the rest wind and maybe a few isolated areas of "other&quot and we could tell the Saudis to go pound sand, because their oil would be almost worthless.

Although I will try to find better links for sharing in future.

Anyway I want clean energy now and forever!

I turn to DU for the real scoop. This is truly the people's media.

We lived those years. Many of us were very upset - we were excited about solar energy and we faced the oil crisis of 73/74

...underground strategic oil reserves. Now the republicans say they're strategic and shouldn't be used to stabilize oil prices or supplement oil shortages.

Carter did a lot of good

Briefly, he inherited a government that basically was President-less for about four years - two years of Nixon covering his ass and two years of Ford trying to figure out how he got there (the only President who wasn't elected as President or Vice President)

Due to Nixon/Ford (and Agnew too!) people were fed up with government. We were truly living under YOUR screen name ( )

Inflation was rampant as was unemployment. Oil prices were soaring because of Nixon's attitude toward the Middle East - the big oil embargo took place under Nixon! Nixon was the first peace-time President to impose wage and price controls, and dare we forget Ford's "WIN" buttons (Whip Inflation Now)?

Carter was dealt a bad hand, and anyone who took over from Nixon/Ford was bound to look bad no matter how good a job he did.

And then Carter looked even worse after he left when Reagan rigged his recovery by changing the criteria used to calculate unemployment and inflation rates. Things weren't better, they just weren't reported the way they had been so both dropped.

And I didn't even get into Reagan's collusion with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after the election and inauguration.

WHY did you get me started on this?

Keep going

Excellent

Reagan was a piece of shit traitor sockpuppet who sent weapons to the Ayatollah in Iran.