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http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/31874-neocons-to-americans-trust-us-againAmericas neocons insist that their only mistake was falling for some false intelligence about Iraqs WMD and that they shouldnt be stripped of their powerful positions of influence for just one little boo-boo. Thats the point of view taken by Washington Post editorial page editor Fred Hiatt as he whines about the unfairness of applying a single-interest litmus test, i.e., the Iraq War debacle, to judge him and his fellow war boosters.
After noting that many other important people were on the same pro-war bandwagon with him, Hiatt criticizes President Barack Obama for citing the Iraq War as an argument not to listen to many of the same neocons who now are trying to sabotage the Iran nuclear agreement. Hiatt thinks its the height of unfairness for Obama or anyone else to suggest that people who want to kill the Iran deal and thus keep alive the option to bomb-bomb-bomb Iran are lusting for another war.
Hiatt also faults Obama for not issuing a serious war threat to Iran, a missing ultimatum that explains why the nuclear agreement falls so far short. Hiatt adds: war is not always avoidable, and the judicious use of force early in a crisis, or even the threat of force, can sometimes forestall worse bloodshed later.
But it should be noted that the neocons and Hiatt in particular did not simply make one mistake when they joined President George W. Bushs rush to war in 2002-03. They continued with their warmongering in Iraq for years, often bashing the handful of brave souls in Official Washington who dared challenge the neocons pro-war enthusiasm. Hiatt and his fellow opinion leaders were, in effect, the enforcers of the Iraq War group think and they have never sought to make amends for that bullying.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)Their entire plan -- and it's stretching things to use that word -- was an entire chain of iffy assumptions, dominos that all had to fall in the direction they wanted them to. If any of those dominos fell in the wrong direction -- and they weren't exactly lined up to begin with -- it would derail the whole thing.
And they had no "Plan B". No contingency to handle the failure of their little fantasy.
But the biggest falsehood is the "false intelligence". The intelligence was imperfect, but hat was known. The faulty part only entered in when the neocons cherry-picked the information they wanted, and only paid attention to the parts that reinforced their collective delusion.
The faulty intelligence is of the variety that resides in the neocons' heads.
Raster
(20,998 posts)The NeoConJob fantasies of their New Rome ignored history, ignored logic, ignored scientific data and ignored common sense. Their appalling short-sighted arrogance coupled with their total disregard of historical precedent and data spelled FAILURE on a scale unrivaled. This wasn't just a clusterfuck. THIS WAS THE CLUSTERFUCK, surpassing the previous record holder Vietnam.
The ConJobs pulled every evil and dishonest string to put their Team in Presidential power, completely bypassing the legal and lawful will of the people to yield probably the worst Presidential Administration in the last 100 years.
War criminals, murderers and traitors. Trust them? I'd much rather they be tried, convicted and punished for their crimes against this country and humanity.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)The MIC is running on top speed and we may get those boots on the ground yet...don't give up on it.
Meanwhile more settlements being built, more Palestinian homes being bulldozed and more starvation and economic chaos in Gaza. Their plan was a huge success for them. Just one domino left...IRAN...and then the job is complete.
Obama had to spoil the last chip.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Go fuck yourself.
After Mr. Cheney and Bush go to jail, by the way.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Then they attacked anyone that disagreed with the manufactured evidence.
This was treason.
They never had to answer for it, unfortunately.
That is why they are still here misleading the American people once again.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)The people who pushed us to war crimes are still walking around with their positions and their money. If we don't put traitors in jail, they just find more creative ways to do their dirty work- ask the Bush family.
The_Commonist
(2,518 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)90-percent
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I became politically aware after the corrupt 2000 election, so when 9/11 happened I paid close attention to what our government decided to do in the aftermath.
Remember "We are all Americans now" and the entire world showered us with love and support?
Then they started talking about the fucking "Axis of Evil" and how we just had to get Iraq and I went to myself "WTF? The White House, particularly Dick Cheney, fucking manufactured and stove-piped MUCH OF THE "INTELLIGENCE" that justified the invasion.
935 Lies: The Future of Truth and the Decline of Americas Moral Integrity by Charles Lewis, one of many books that tells the real story about "getting those (IRAQ) bastards that did this to us".
We had the good will of the world behind us, and these greedy evil mf'ers used 9-11 as a pretext to invade a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 what so ever.
They squandered the goodwill of the world and produced a immense tragedy that diminished America's moral stature in the world for generations. I mean, we fucking tortured people and that was official policy straight from the White House. (And Jeb suggests he would do it again!) This was the first time since George Washington we tortured as official government policy and is a moral stain on our character FOREVER. We can never again claim the moral high ground on the world stage as we did the same despicable things the despots throughout the ages have done. Like they were saying to themselves, "well we really fucked up "keeping the country safe" with 9/11 on our watch, so we have to show the word we're really bad ass mf'ers and we'll take out any middle eastern country that even looks at us funny."
I went to a town hall meeting hosted by my Congressman John Larson BEFORE THE WAR in West Hartford and stood up and told him I'd prefer the Mafia in the White House, because they are more honorable people than the GWB crew.
I went to the first anti-war protest of my life in January DC 2013 because I knew the whole deal was bogus. I'm just an average internet user. If I had it figured out, shame on all the pols in the Washington bubble that got it wrong, probably as a matter of political expediency and lack of moral courage. Any pol still serving that voted in favor of the IWR should have to pay a heavy political price for getting it so wrong and causing over a decade of wasting trillions of tax dollars and human misery with absolutely no upside I can see!
It will amaze me for the rest of my life that they managed to pull off "the worst foreign policy decision in a generation" (Nice euphemism for war crimes and treason. And others consider it the worst in all of American history!) They knew exactly what they were doing and swept together enough bogus and manufactured intelligence to save us from "the smoking gun that may come in the form of a mushroom cloud". The crowning example was Cheney's minions feeding Judy Miller from the NY Times bogus and somewhat classified info and then going on MTP and saying he could now speak about it because its in the paper. Well, sure, pal, you put it there!
If we had the Democracy we think we have, and for some reason are so proud of, then the entire GWB White House of 2002-2008 should be spending the rest of their lives in solitary confinement.
Lastly, who benefited from the Iraq Invasion? I don't even know who got all the oil, but I would say the military-industrial-congressional-surveillance-complex and all the people in government that hate our Constitution were the only winners. One hell of a cost in human misery and moral standing just so a handful of excessively wealthy psychopath fat cats can enjoy a few more yachts, private jets, vacation homes and gold chains for themselves.
-90% Jimmy
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The criminals are trying to do it all again, this time in Iran.
Since that stolen 2000 election the nation has never been the samemission accomplished.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)It make my efforts to change the world one DU post at a time seem worthwhile, and I added it to my DU Journal. And one last point about 9/11; It was a long time ago and there's a generation of young people that know little about what America was like before the 2000 Selection. They grew up with the Patriot Act and mass surveillance and "Americans better watch what they say" and creeping fascism and authoritarianism as completely normal and us older folks know that post 2000 America is a perverse aberration of what values our America used to stand for.
It didn't used to be like this, kids, there used to be prosperity and a future here. And I'm a 1954 baby boomer, and I'm part of the first generation in history to produce young people who's lives as a whole will be worse than my generation's was. Especially when the global climate behemoth really kicks in to create human misery on a massive scale not seen in human history since the last ice age.
So wave to the Oligarch's safe in their yachts for a few months longer than the rest of us, as the rising ocean goes over your heads.
-90% jimmy
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)a 1952 baby, my wife from 1953.
THE worst shitheads I ever dealt with in discussions were neocons.
Even worse that rightwing fundies, if you think that's possible.
I will never deal with neocons again, and dammed if they will ever
get my trust!