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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:06 PM Aug 2015

Does anyone understand the right wing talking point that Obama is arrogant?

I was visiting my right wing dad this summer, and he made the crack about Obama being "arrogant" a couple of times.

I have not been happy with Obama on many policies, but for the most part, I feel like he's struck the right public tone for his job, somewhere between gravitas and familiarity.

If anything, a lot of the time he has come off like a principal explaining himself to a school board that has the ability to fire him (especially when dealing with the right).

Is it just that he is black and it's arrogant of him to become president?

Do they have a wheel of insults they spin, and Fox News and talk radio will believe whatever the wheel says?

Or if anybody has the stomach to listen to right wing media, what evidence do they give for this talking point?

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Does anyone understand the right wing talking point that Obama is arrogant? (Original Post) yurbud Aug 2015 OP
The dim often think the bright are arrogant because they can't keep up intellectually. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #1
That's it, right there. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Aug 2015 #17
Yep. Equal parts racism and "has an IQ over 100" Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #30
This was their primary negative frame of al gore in 99 Cosmocat Aug 2015 #39
The call him arrogant because they can't call him uppity n/t DefenseLawyer Aug 2015 #2
So sorry, I posted mine before reading yours. Tommy2Tone Aug 2015 #7
They went for angry first rufus dog Aug 2015 #23
Bingo demwing Aug 2015 #33
^^^THIS^^^ jwirr Aug 2015 #47
Yes, it's that simple. DawgHouse Aug 2015 #55
It's right wing talk for uppity. Tommy2Tone Aug 2015 #3
Yes, this ^^^ TDale313 Aug 2015 #11
They don't need evidence, just repetition. People will pick it up and run with it. arcane1 Aug 2015 #4
I'm suspicious of any attacks based on people's emotional presentation unless it's blatantly obvious yurbud Aug 2015 #12
Yes to your first reason questioned IMO Person 2713 Aug 2015 #5
I suspect it's a code word for "uppity". n/t Mister Ed Aug 2015 #6
President Obama has his head tilted back a lot when he talks, like the picture of Chuck Todd LiberalArkie Aug 2015 #8
My wife thought I was doing that when we first met. Actually, I was wearing bifocals and trying to yurbud Aug 2015 #14
What a wonderful story ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #21
That's sweet JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #25
Yes. He is very smart and sometimes fails to hide that. MH1 Aug 2015 #9
He should not have... 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #13
I agree. On the other hand, Baby Bush won by appearing ignorant, and in '08, Palin was wildly yurbud Aug 2015 #16
I remember when being both intelligent and educated... 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #19
Me, too. It was something that most people aspired to -- to be more knowledgeable, Nay Aug 2015 #31
Isn't that the freaking truth. 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #60
Oh, I could tell you stories. For years I worked at a large corporation that, theoretically, Nay Aug 2015 #61
I am almost afraid to ask. What part of the country were you living in... 3catwoman3 Aug 2015 #65
It's a cliche, but I was living in the South. Richmond, VA. Now, Richmond does NOT Nay Aug 2015 #70
He is intelligent KT2000 Aug 2015 #10
the great thing is, more than any black guy in history, a racist insult hurled at him... yurbud Aug 2015 #18
Its a dog whistle. onecaliberal Aug 2015 #15
For many people ... NanceGreggs Aug 2015 #20
Nailed it. nt Nay Aug 2015 #32
He is not afraid of them. Does not give them deference as superior. He is fearless...not arrogant. kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #22
One part racism Bradical79 Aug 2015 #24
He doesn't bow his head when in the presence of bigoted, good ol' white boys. Kablooie Aug 2015 #26
of course he is arrogant. he has the GALL to ignore the rite, + NOT whining like they do. pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #27
Three words: Uppity Black Man. Raster Aug 2015 #28
It is blatant racism winterwar Aug 2015 #29
like the Confederate flag they think it gives them plausible deniability yurbud Aug 2015 #56
Projection. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #34
They can't stand a biracial president Facility Inspector Aug 2015 #35
As someone who grew up in the south, I recognize all of the dog whistles. mmonk Aug 2015 #36
The RW problem is real simple. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #37
I think any question that starts off with "Does anyone understand the right wing talking point" HughBeaumont Aug 2015 #38
that may not be the most accurate answer, but it is the best. yurbud Aug 2015 #43
The black guy won't do what the white Republicans want. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #40
Even when he did what they wanted, they wouldn't cooperate and still called him names yurbud Aug 2015 #45
Not exactly ... when he did things both sides could agree on ... JoePhilly Aug 2015 #67
if it were a white R prez refusing to work with a Democratic congress he'd be a Great Leader 0rganism Aug 2015 #66
Obama is not on a level playing field intelligently with republicans. B Calm Aug 2015 #41
" Obama is not on a level playing field intelligently with republicans." PragmaticLiberal Aug 2015 #53
Sure. It's very simple. COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #42
He's successful and not servile. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #44
My dad supports this idea with a photo roody Aug 2015 #46
yeah, they use that a lot. I look at people that way sometimes because I wear bifocals yurbud Aug 2015 #49
iirc, looking at a photo from that angle leads to negative bias 0rganism Aug 2015 #68
It only makes sense in the context of Middle American culture. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #48
Sure. He's an educated black man. Recursion Aug 2015 #50
'Uppity Black Men' Trajan Aug 2015 #51
arrogant = uppity truebluegreen Aug 2015 #52
Yeah, sure HassleCat Aug 2015 #54
if he didn't explain it simply, they'd give him crap for that. yurbud Aug 2015 #64
He uses big words they dont understand. DCBob Aug 2015 #57
the knuckle draggers hate intellegence in any form olddots Aug 2015 #58
He is arrogant zipplewrath Aug 2015 #59
I would call that confidence, not arrogance. nt Hatchling Aug 2015 #62
But probably not people who disagree with him zipplewrath Aug 2015 #63
As opposed to Spirochete Aug 2015 #69
He's a highly-educated, exceedingly smart African American male hifiguy Aug 2015 #71
IMO they don't ever listen to him treestar Aug 2015 #72
Right wing code speak: smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #73
my explanation TheFarseer Aug 2015 #74
He doesn't seek their approval for everything. moondust Aug 2015 #75
Coded racism - "uppity black man" n/t Lil Missy Aug 2015 #76
Yeah, it means he won't kiss McConnell's ass Warpy Aug 2015 #77

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
1. The dim often think the bright are arrogant because they can't keep up intellectually.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:09 PM
Aug 2015

Add racism in some cases and boom, there it is.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
39. This was their primary negative frame of al gore in 99
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:33 AM
Aug 2015

Trying to negatively frame his being competent while prettying up the moron as a guy you would like to have a beer with ...

Just going back to what they know.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
23. They went for angry first
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 11:20 PM
Aug 2015

Tried for six to twelve months, couldn't get any clips with him even raising his voice so had to go the uppity/arrogant route.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
4. They don't need evidence, just repetition. People will pick it up and run with it.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:11 PM
Aug 2015

I'm guessing that "arrogant" is the current buzz-word because of the disagreement over the Iran deal, and Obama's recent defense of it. But it's a word that has enjoyed circulation before, because it's a feely-word

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
12. I'm suspicious of any attacks based on people's emotional presentation unless it's blatantly obvious
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:29 PM
Aug 2015

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
8. President Obama has his head tilted back a lot when he talks, like the picture of Chuck Todd
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:12 PM
Aug 2015

on the main page. It used to be called "looking down you nose at someone". It is all body language. Most people don't know they are doing it.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
14. My wife thought I was doing that when we first met. Actually, I was wearing bifocals and trying to
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:30 PM
Aug 2015

get a better look at her.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
9. Yes. He is very smart and sometimes fails to hide that.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:14 PM
Aug 2015

Stupid people find that "arrogant".

Meanwhile, other smart people tend to find it like a breath of fresh air.

Unfortunately there's a lot of stupid people.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
16. I agree. On the other hand, Baby Bush won by appearing ignorant, and in '08, Palin was wildly
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:32 PM
Aug 2015

popular with the right because she appeared even more ignorant than Bush.

3catwoman3

(24,006 posts)
19. I remember when being both intelligent and educated...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:35 PM
Aug 2015

...were states of being that were both respected and sought after. Willful ignorance is frightening.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
31. Me, too. It was something that most people aspired to -- to be more knowledgeable,
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 06:02 AM
Aug 2015

better educated. Now, I feel lucky if I can find someone who reads a book once in a while.

3catwoman3

(24,006 posts)
60. Isn't that the freaking truth.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:44 PM
Aug 2015

I live in the Illinois town of Algonquin. If I am giving the name of the town over the phone, I often say, "Algonquin, like the Indian tribe." I have been dismayed at the number of people who respond dully with, "Whu-u-ut?"

Nay

(12,051 posts)
61. Oh, I could tell you stories. For years I worked at a large corporation that, theoretically,
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:19 PM
Aug 2015

did not hire idiots. One time Mr Nay and I were going to New Mexico for our 2-wk vacation. A coworker gasped and asked if we weren't afraid of all the drug gangs, the killings of tourists, and us not being able to speak the language. I said as gently as I could: "Are you sure you aren't thinking about the country of Mexico? We're going to the US state of New Mexico." Her: "I didn't know there was a state called New Mexico!" OOOOOOKAY. All these people had college degrees, BTW.

3catwoman3

(24,006 posts)
65. I am almost afraid to ask. What part of the country were you living in...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 04:20 PM
Aug 2015

...at the time?

I could tell a few tales as well. Here are a couple of my favorites.

I once knew a short term dating relationship was over when the guy told me I was going to have to stop using "such big words." When I inquired as to what word(s) he was referring, I was incredulous when it turned out he was having trouble with ambivalent. I had been somewhat ambivalent about the relationship. After that, I no longer was.

Our now 25 year old son loves words and has a very sophisticated vocabulary, which began developing at a fairly early age. When he was in 7th grade, his language arts teacher was new to that age group, having taught 4th grade for many years. He used the word "anthropomorphize" and his teacher said, "Oh, Greg. That's not a word." My confident son promptly fetched a dictionary and showed her that, yes, it most certainly was a word. A few weeks later, she did the same thing. I don't remember what word was at issue that time, but I do remember thinking the teacher was a bit of a slow learner - had I been embarrassed by a student having a bigger vocabulary than I did, I would make sure to tread carefully on future occasions, and perhaps say something like, "I'm not familiar with that word. Can you tell me about it?"

His 8th grade language arts teacher mispronounced poignant by saying it the way it looks - POYG-nant. My son showed admirable restraint in not correcting her.

When forms came home from the school offices that needed to be signed and returned, if there were spelling or grammatical errors, I would correct them in a different color ink before sending them back.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
70. It's a cliche, but I was living in the South. Richmond, VA. Now, Richmond does NOT
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 06:32 PM
Aug 2015

have a special reputation for idiots; there is a well-respected medical school and university here, major corporate offices, etc., but the locals can be very insular and only partially educated. Lots of stuff falls through the cracks in schools here. I suspect it's happening everywhere, though.

Your son is a pip! I love those stories! No longer ambivalent, were ya?? Imagine that.

KT2000

(20,583 posts)
10. He is intelligent
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:19 PM
Aug 2015

and they see that as arrogant. His appearance is elegant and graceful so that is seen as arrogant. He is a black man who was elected twice to be president which is far more outstanding than all but a few white men - that makes him arrogant. He does not cower to the insults and disrespect shown him by the repubs - that makes him arrogant.

I believe it is an "acceptable word" to express racism.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
18. the great thing is, more than any black guy in history, a racist insult hurled at him...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:35 PM
Aug 2015

doesn't have the added edge of an implied threat nor does it likely make him doubt himself.

If it did, he would just have to tell himself, "I'm the president of the United States and that guy ain't and probably never will be."

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
15. Its a dog whistle.
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:30 PM
Aug 2015

And they're mad because he has more intellect in his pinky fingernail then they possess as a whole.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
20. For many people ...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 10:51 PM
Aug 2015

... referring to a black man as "arrogant" is what they perceive to be the PC version of "uppity", i.e. not acknowledging one's "place" in the hierarchy of whites being naturally superior to blacks, and the appropriate deference being shown.

For the intellectually-challenged (and that's my PC version of "stoopid&quot , anyone who speaks above their IQ level (i.e. in multi-syllabic words) is trying to intimidate them - ergo, being "arrogant". For many among the ICs, "being arrogant" can be as simple as referring to one's college education, "reading books", being able to quote statistics, or knowing "scientific stuff".

Of all the things Obama has been accused of, being "arrogant" seems to stem more from one's own lack of knowledge as opposed to someone else's possession thereof.

When I read the stats on how many Americans don't know anything about the Revolutionary War or the Industrial Revolution, how old the Earth is, where Iraq and Iran are located, or the difference between light years and Bud-Light, I understand why many of them think those who know such things are being "arrogant" - simply by virtue knowing such things.

The right wing media has (deplorably, but wisely) tapped into the natural distrust people of lower intelligence have of those who actually "know shit", and are able to articulate that knowledge on a regular basis. It's a matter of "he's trying to show you how much smarter he is than just plain folk like you" - something that is endlessly encouraged to be reviled.

That's why, IMHO, Republicans like Palin, Santorum, Huckabee, etc., are revered among low IQers - they've been taught that intelligence is a sign of "arrogance", and being a dumb stoopid fuck is something to be admired - and deserving of being voted into office for.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
26. He doesn't bow his head when in the presence of bigoted, good ol' white boys.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 04:10 AM
Aug 2015

thats arrogant for ya.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
28. Three words: Uppity Black Man.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:03 AM
Aug 2015

Emphasis on "Black." That's the right wing's arrogance problem with President Obama. Oh, and that he had the absolute audacity to be legally and lawfully elected POTUS without having to cash in Daddy chits or get a sibling to game the electoral system.

winterwar

(210 posts)
29. It is blatant racism
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:34 AM
Aug 2015

But they never have the balls to say it out loud. That's their "safe" word. And if you call them on it, they act offended that anybody would suggest that they are racist.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
37. The RW problem is real simple.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:26 AM
Aug 2015

There's a black man in the White House and he's NOT the butler.
And they just can't stand it.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
38. I think any question that starts off with "Does anyone understand the right wing talking point"
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:26 AM
Aug 2015

. . . yeah, that answer is usually going to be "no".

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
40. The black guy won't do what the white Republicans want.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:52 AM
Aug 2015

That's arrogant.

They really want to say uppity.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
67. Not exactly ... when he did things both sides could agree on ...
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:06 PM
Aug 2015

... they suddenly stopped agreeing, and moved the goal posts ... then screamed he was arrogant for not accepting the new goal posts.

Not quite the same thing.

0rganism

(23,956 posts)
66. if it were a white R prez refusing to work with a Democratic congress he'd be a Great Leader
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:04 PM
Aug 2015

hypocrisy is SOP for the GOP

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
41. Obama is not on a level playing field intelligently with republicans.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 08:56 AM
Aug 2015

He's so far above them they think he's being arrogant.

PragmaticLiberal

(904 posts)
53. " Obama is not on a level playing field intelligently with republicans."
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:55 AM
Aug 2015

Agreed...and if you want to see proof of that, just check out Obama's performance when he attended the 2010 Republican retreat.

That was an "intellectual beatdown".

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
42. Sure. It's very simple.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:19 AM
Aug 2015

Look at the RW Official Dictionary: "Arrogant" (adj). - when applied to African Americans, a synonym for 'uppity'

0rganism

(23,956 posts)
68. iirc, looking at a photo from that angle leads to negative bias
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 05:08 PM
Aug 2015

photographing someone from a low angle or looking upward was shown to cause antipathy and fear
photographing the same person from a high angle or looking down led to biases for sympathy and trust
don't recall where i first saw this explained, or how credible it is

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
48. It only makes sense in the context of Middle American culture.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:12 AM
Aug 2015

It isn't that they despise intelligence so much as they despise people who show that they're intelligent. The perception is that if you are using big words, you are doing so for your own edification. Ergo, arrogance.

I've been accused of "putting on airs" myself.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
51. 'Uppity Black Men'
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 11:24 AM
Aug 2015

Have always pissed off the white supremacist haters ... It goes back nearly a century ...

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
54. Yeah, sure
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:04 PM
Aug 2015

Obama explains things to his opponents the way you would explain something to your four year old child. The right wingers are offended at being spoken to as if they were four years old. They're so offended they hold their breath until they turn blue, throw their toys across the living room, and hit the other kids in pre-school.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
59. He is arrogant
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 12:37 PM
Aug 2015

But name the president in the last 50 years that wasn't. You don't decide to run because you think you're an idiot. You don't run because you think you might not be able to handle the job and figure out all the answers. You don't run for the job because you don't think you have a unique set of skill to bring to the job. Are some better at covering it up? Maybe. Clinton and Carter may have been the best. But many of us at one time or another have fairly arrogant attitudes and don't do a good job of recognizing it nor covering it up.

You can hear it in his voice every time he addresses his critics. Basically he'll often suggest it couldn't be done because he tried and couldn't get it done. If you're arrogant enough to think that it COULD be done, then his comment sounds very arrogant.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
63. But probably not people who disagree with him
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 03:03 PM
Aug 2015

Like I say, virtually all of them come across as arrogant. It depends a lot upon whether one agrees with what they are saying.

But calling ones critics "sanctimonious" and "drug addled" is going to come across as arrogant to those critics.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
71. He's a highly-educated, exceedingly smart African American male
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 06:46 PM
Aug 2015

in a position of power.

He doesn't affect to seem any less intelligent than he is.

He affects no faux folksiness.

Americans has never particularly liked educated people as a rule of thumb, and the fact that he's AA is just the frosting on the cake for people who say that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
72. IMO they don't ever listen to him
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:01 PM
Aug 2015

They want to believe he is arrogant and so they spread that opinion. They never actually watch him or listen to him say anything. Thus they don't "know" him and are vulnerable to others' characterizations.

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
74. my explanation
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 09:42 PM
Aug 2015

He often tries to come off as the voice of reason. It's probably annoying when he acts like he's the only adult in the room even if you are acting like a spoiled child.

moondust

(19,991 posts)
75. He doesn't seek their approval for everything.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 10:10 PM
Aug 2015

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Authoritarians don't like that, especially from "certain kinds" of people.

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