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Saving urban birds ... by embarrassing cats? (Original Post) NeoGreen Aug 2015 OP
one could also just keep one's cats inside all the time. nt msongs Aug 2015 #1
My cat is sneaky. xmas74 Aug 2015 #2
I hear you Skittles Aug 2015 #5
My cat will be on the couch, where he pretends to sleep yet xmas74 Aug 2015 #6
yup Skittles Aug 2015 #20
Lock him up in a bedroom or bathroom before you go shopping. Where I used to live (southern californ MillennialDem Aug 2015 #8
He rarely gets out. xmas74 Aug 2015 #19
Maybe they just need to be confused? Maedhros Aug 2015 #3
I think the collar is a tad too big, otherwise it's not a bad idea. Little Tich Aug 2015 #4
I keep my cat inside LWolf Aug 2015 #7
I wouldn't be surprised if the cat could kill the owl either, to be honest. If she pounced on it on MillennialDem Aug 2015 #10
I don't think so. LWolf Aug 2015 #11
It's not rock vs scissors. They can likely kill each other. Just depends who pounces on who. MillennialDem Aug 2015 #12
Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #13
Right. People view cats as cute little fluffy creatures but they're killers. Look at big cats - they MillennialDem Aug 2015 #16
Yep. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #17
That cat looks just like my little girl Gracie. B Calm Aug 2015 #9
Cat shaming? NightWatcher Aug 2015 #14
I want your bean. cali Aug 2015 #15
I tie a little weight to my cat's back leg when I let her out. The birds are safe. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #18
What happened to collars with bells? JCMach1 Aug 2015 #21
I cannot image a cat EVER being embarrassed by anything. DawgHouse Aug 2015 #22
I like his fancy paws ellie Aug 2015 #23

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
2. My cat is sneaky.
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 01:29 PM
Aug 2015

He will wait until my hands are full and then dart out the door. The most common time is when I'm bringing in the groceries.

He has a collar with a bell on it that makes a jingle every time he moves. His tags also clang together so he's noisy every time he takes a step. Most birds get the hint and know he's on the move. As far as I know he's yet to get anywhere near a bird. Insects, otoh-he's a stone cold killer.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
5. I hear you
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 02:15 AM
Aug 2015

my cat makes a game of it and is successful quite often

I keep a collar & bell on him during my waking hours

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
6. My cat will be on the couch, where he pretends to sleep yet
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 07:59 AM
Aug 2015

keeps perfect view of the door. He's fat but he can jump from the couch and out the door very fast. He's not dumb either and knows to wait until I'm bringing in bags to make his move.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
8. Lock him up in a bedroom or bathroom before you go shopping. Where I used to live (southern californ
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:01 AM
Aug 2015

ia) indoor/outdoor cats had a life expectancy of about a year. Lots of coyotes

So I don't let my cats be indoor/outdoor.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
4. I think the collar is a tad too big, otherwise it's not a bad idea.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 12:33 AM
Aug 2015

I had once a deaf cat that only hunted birds, and I imagine that a Birdsbesafe cat collar would have stopped him from getting them so often.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
7. I keep my cat inside
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 10:56 AM
Aug 2015

for her own safety; outdoor cats don't last long around here. Between the coyotes and the owls, they just don't. I like the great horned owl that nests in the big tree right outside my bedroom, but I don't want to feed it my cat.

My current cat sits in windows and watches them, twitching and "acking" intently, and I know she'd like to at least try. She'll never get the chance, being stuck inside unless I put a harness on her and take her out; and then, I'm out there with her.

In the summer, to cool the house down overnight, I leave the doors open (screen doors shut.) Every morning while the sun is still low in the eastern sky, my cat sits at the open door facing west. A pair of scrub jays, nesting nearby, visit her there. On purpose. They land on the screen and squawk at her. She leaps at them, and hangs off the screen from the inside. They happily scold her, jump around and perch just above her nose...and peck at her paws as she works to unhook her claws from the screen. She jumps down, and the whole cycle begins again, until the air is warm enough that I shut the door.

If I put a collar like that on her I'd be risking my own skin, and she'd have it off in no time.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
10. I wouldn't be surprised if the cat could kill the owl either, to be honest. If she pounced on it on
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:04 AM
Aug 2015

the ground.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
11. I don't think so.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:14 AM
Aug 2015

When I moved here, there was a colony of feral cats in the barn. I trapped, spayed/neutered and released them all over the course of a summer.

By the next summer, since they weren't replacing the population, they were all gone. I don't think the hawks were involved, and the eagles aren't here very often, but I've seen that owl in action.

It took down one of my chickens who came out of her roost one dawn and followed me to the barn. That chicken was less than 2 feet away, and BAM. In an instant she was hit and gone. The owl came in right over my shoulder.

I'm sure most of the cat killing was done by the coyotes, but a great-horned owl is nothing to be messed with.

I'm sure she'd take on those scrub jays, at least, if she could get one alone. They tag team, and while she enjoys the "through the screen door" game, I don't think she'd like the dive bombing by one while the other played prey.

Happily, she gets her chance to be a predator. She keeps the mice out of the house, and proudly presents me with any offenders who thought they could come on in and get comfortable. As far as I'm concerned, she can take every rodent she can get her claws into.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
13. Agreed.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:25 AM
Aug 2015

The owl, stooping from the air, has a huge advantage. If it get caught on the ground, though, the tables would likely be turned.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
16. Right. People view cats as cute little fluffy creatures but they're killers. Look at big cats - they
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:35 AM
Aug 2015

often kill stuff in excess of double their weight. Won't link it but there's a youtube video of a lone tiger (400 pounds?) killing a wild gaur (asian cattle - 2,000 pounds?) Have no doubt a house cat's claws and teeth are strong enough to maul an owl.

Cat pounces on owl = dead or fleeing owl.
Owl pounces on cat = dead or fleeing cat

"Fair fight" where they meet each other face to face? They probably posture and back off from each other. If they actually fight, IDK. While cats are very strong pound for pound with big natural weapons, so are raptors. But in nature fair fights are rare.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
17. Yep.
Wed Aug 19, 2015, 11:40 AM
Aug 2015

Face-to-face is only going to happen on the ground, and I suspect the owl, knowing it's out of its element, would do its best to flee. It's at a pretty big disadvantage if it comes to a fight on the ground. But I agree: the most likely result is that each would posture a bit, then back off. Evolution favors caution on the part of solitary hunters (that is, even if they win a fight, if they get significantly injured in the process, their hunting ability is impaired and they might well starve).

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