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applegrove

(118,696 posts)
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:14 PM Aug 2015

Did Republicans just give away the 2016 election by raising birthright citizenship?

Did Republicans just give away the 2016 election by raising birthright citizenship?

by Paul Waldman at the Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/08/18/did-republicans-just-give-away-the-2016-election-by-raising-birthright-citizenship/?hpid=z2

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But the political impact is going to be very real, whether or not the idea goes anywhere in practical terms. The simple fact is that if Republicans don’t improve their performance among Hispanic voters, they cannot win the White House. Period.

This discussion about birthright citizenship sends an incredibly clear message to Hispanic voters, a message of naked hostility to them and people like them. It’s possible to argue that you’re “pro-immigrant” while simultaneously saying we should build more walls and double the size of the Border Patrol. Indeed, many Republicans do, and while their argument may not be particularly persuasive, it’s not completely crazy. But you can’t say you’re pro-immigrant and advocate ending birthright citizenship. You just can’t.

I promise you that next fall, there are going to be ads like this running all over the country, and especially on Spanish-language media:


“My name is Lisa Hernandez. I was born in California, grew up there. I was valedictorian of my high school class, graduated from Yale, and now I’m in medical school; I’m going to be a pediatrician. But now Scott Walker and the Republicans say that because my mom is undocumented, that I’m not a real American and I shouldn’t be a citizen. I’m living the American Dream, but they want to take it away from me and people like me. Well I’ve got a message for you, Governor Walker. I’m every bit as American as your children. This country isn’t about who your parents were, it’s about everybody having a chance to work hard, achieve, and contribute to our future. It seems like some people forgot that.”



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Did Republicans just give away the 2016 election by raising birthright citizenship? (Original Post) applegrove Aug 2015 OP
This was a dumb move Gothmog Aug 2015 #1
Not so much as long as the media continue to get away with giving cover to a proposal for a police state. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #3
"Anytime a news article asks a yes or no question in the headline... Shandris Aug 2015 #2
No. This is red meat for the Lou Dobbs crowd. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #4
The media will let them lie, Jeb Bush will literally say he never said Anchor Baby and there wont uponit7771 Aug 2015 #5
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #6
What is "jusm the fence?" lonestarnot Aug 2015 #7
Too bad white people in the south go blank when reminded of applegrove Aug 2015 #9
How important is it really to hispanics who are voting? davidn3600 Aug 2015 #8
Not according to the polls. Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #10

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. Not so much as long as the media continue to get away with giving cover to a proposal for a police state.
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:40 PM
Aug 2015
 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
2. "Anytime a news article asks a yes or no question in the headline...
Thu Aug 20, 2015, 09:31 PM
Aug 2015

...the answer is always 'no'."

Forget where I heard it, but it's one of those things that always pops in mind when I see a ? in a headline. Pretty accurate for the most part, too.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
4. No. This is red meat for the Lou Dobbs crowd.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:10 AM
Aug 2015

Because, heck, everyone knows that ALL of our problems can be traced straight back to illegal aliens.

We could, though, bring up the slippery slope argument here. Because if we take away birthright citizenship, then everyone who is born here starts out as an undocumented alien...

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
5. The media will let them lie, Jeb Bush will literally say he never said Anchor Baby and there wont
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:20 AM
Aug 2015

... be anyone who challenges him

Response to applegrove (Original post)

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
9. Too bad white people in the south go blank when reminded of
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:11 AM
Aug 2015

all that intergenerational evil. Reginald Denny was also a story of black people risking their lives to save him when they saw it on the TV. How you remember things in the past matters. And republicans cannot wave the Confederate flag and 'whitewash' what it means often enough it has seemed in the past.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
8. How important is it really to hispanics who are voting?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:18 AM
Aug 2015

Hispanics who are voting are already citizens. It's not necessarily going to effect them all that much.

The rhetoric is toxic, but I doubt that keeps up past the primaries unless Trump wins the nomination. Anyone else is going to move to the center on this.

And how important is immigration debate to these voters? The way it's being discussed is that this is the ONLY issue hispanic voters want to talk about. I doubt that it is. They care about schools and budgets and healthcare and foreign policy just as much as any other American.

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