Tsipras is a traitor to his nation. Whether he was from the beginning or not, he is now and forever tainted by this massive failure.

Think he will be able to form a new government? I hope not. The Greek people may be confused and despairing, but to reward such a man....that would be truly crazy.

The 0.01% would love to be able to show the world that you can't vote them out even if you want to. Capitalism without democracy is their goal, and regime change in Greece would be a major symbolic victory for them.

Sometimes the money people lose to the power people or the military people. Sometimes the bankers lose (FDR, Iceland). Sometimes there is a revolution (Soviet Union, Cuba, France 1789, among many others). Sometimes the people throw them all out in an election and start to make real reforms (Ecuador, Chile, Bolivia, Venezuela).

And that capitalism has become a beast that will devourer the whole world.

This is just a trial run to polish up the processes and methods for the implementation of the New Fascist Feudalism.

World conquest without firing a shot. All the real estate is left in good condition and there are nice, large captive populations of soon-to-be-virtual-slave laborers to serve their plutocratic betters.

Sit down, shut the fuck up and eat your cabbage, pigs.

And NO BEGGING.

And repairs the house before leaving.

With interest.

Can't blame a lender for wanting repayment.

And no "debt" forgiveness of Germany after WW2 is not analogous. That was not repayment of loans, but essentially a fine for losing a war.

Who lend money for profit.
And in this case they not only get the profit from the interest but the profit from the property once owned by the state...it is called debt slavery.

But of course we practice it too...even back in history with the company store right up till now with student debt. Keep people in debt to you and you own them. And soon them and their personal property.
That is why we don't have family farmers anymore...ADM owns most of the good farm land and the functions of government have been privatized including the military.

That is the wrong model.

The correct model to use in this case is Mafia loan-sharking. You borrow money and can't pay, so they loan you more money, part of which you use to pay the initial debt, the rest of which is subject to an even more outrageous interest rate. Every dime you borrow goes right back to the loan-shark - the borrower NEVER SEES A DIME OF IT. It's a never-ending downward spiral.

yet so many resist seeing it for what it is.

He gets it.

Selling off public assets like highways, parking meter concessions, education, prisons, ..........

Neo-liberal economics at it's finest. Coming soon to a country near you. All to keep corporations and the rich from paying taxes.

Massive tax fraud helped them into this situation. Which just goes to show that greed truly is an intrinsic part of modern humanity.

The situation is deplorable but it's too simplistic to say that the Germans are out to 'get' Greece or that only greedy corporations are to blame or that capitalism is some sort of disease that infects only certain types of people.

Corporations are not people but they are composed of people. It's the people of Greece who allowed this situation to develop.

Tsipras is an idiot. He made things even worse, which is kind of hard to believe, but true.
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"modern"?

Maybe we can't but I think it's important to keep trying anyways.
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the other guy -- and I can't help but believe we do it to keep from examining ourselves.

I'd like to think the Greeks are being victimized, and to some extent I do think they are, but to a larger extent, they created this mess on their own.

and don't like it.

Greece has many problems. They were caused by themselves (largely their own oligarchs refusing to be taxed) and by others. The solution will be complex and long term. It will have to involve debt reduction though most are not willing to discuss that at this time.

could go deeper into debt.

The Greece populace had absolutely nothing to do with Goldman Sachs' (SOP for them) decision to behave unethically.

All they had to do to keep GS out of it completely was not borrow more than they could afford, and not deliberately ask GS to pretend that they could afford it.

at the top who pay no price for their treachery.

All the Greek government had to say was nothing. If the cops offer you money to break the law it's entrapment and the case would be dismissed. Here is a government -- the maker of law -- soliciting a service.

Is what GS did bad? Yes -- but it started and ended with the Greek government seeking to defraud its creditors.

... for voicing an objection: It's not the Germans. It's German corporations and conservative politicians. (Know that pattern?)

I can assure you that I'm not about to embark on a looting raid, nor am I or any of my friends or family planning too.

In fact, there are a lot of Germans that are ashamed of the disgraceful role the government has played in the crisis talks.

It is always important to get clear about who it is you are angry with, and it is not ordinary Germans.