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kentuck

(111,103 posts)
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:46 AM Aug 2015

Republicans have a very simple strategy...

Make people question the character of their opponents.

You will not find them talking about the big issues of the day, unless it is an attempt to tear down their political opponents.

They prefer to accuse their opponents of lying or dishonesty or some character flaw, because if they can tear down the person, the issues don't matter. Granted, Democrats have tried similar attacks but they prefer to talk about issues like jobs, income inequality, global warming, and such trivial matters.

So let's talk about Benghazi or the IRS or haircuts or emails. Those are the issues that are important to the Republican Party because it keeps them competitive in the political arena.

That is one reason the Republican Party is having such a difficult time with Donald Trump. He does personal attacks better than any of them. While they are discussing whether or not Hillary broke the law with her email account and cannot be trusted, Trump calls them out by name as stupid pathetic losers and they don't know how to handle personal attacks when they are directed toward themselves. He plays their game better than they do and without personal character attacks, they are lost.

Perhaps the Democrats should get down to their level?

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Republicans have a very simple strategy... (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2015 OP
Why did Democrats, as one, not call Republicans and their candidates stupid, pathetic losers years ago? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #1
For it to work... kentuck Aug 2015 #3
The mass media is baiting $Trump to dump a billion in early ad buys on them....quid pro quo for the Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #5
So true! mountain grammy Aug 2015 #6
If folks do not see how the mass media is attempting, again, to control public opinion, and is evil,...well...you Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #7
no daleanime Aug 2015 #2
You are right because the media would ridicule them... kentuck Aug 2015 #4
No, it would neither improve our politicans.... daleanime Aug 2015 #15
Does anyone know how the email "scandal" got started?? kentuck Aug 2015 #8
We don't have to stoop to their level. mmonk Aug 2015 #9
Bad idea. They would mimic the behavior of "losers". DetlefK Aug 2015 #10
Somebody may attack Trump with some of his own medicine? kentuck Aug 2015 #12
Attack-ads should be used sparringly, otherwise you come off as petty. DetlefK Aug 2015 #14
Isn't that what the Repubs are doing right now?? kentuck Aug 2015 #16
Right now, campaign-news are just crashs in slow-motion. DetlefK Aug 2015 #18
Trump even called out Mitt Romney for losing the election to Obama... kentuck Aug 2015 #20
It's even simpler than that. One-word simple... Atman Aug 2015 #11
For the lack of a shoe, the war was lost. kentuck Aug 2015 #13
Very good reminder, kentuck. Cracklin Charlie Aug 2015 #17
Well, the idea was for the Party to be more friendly toward the Mexican immigrants... kentuck Aug 2015 #21
Ya know what? Cracklin Charlie Aug 2015 #22
Karl Rove prefected this strategy a long time ago Gothmog Aug 2015 #19

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. Why did Democrats, as one, not call Republicans and their candidates stupid, pathetic losers years ago?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 09:55 AM
Aug 2015

Actually, we did - we still are, every day! - but not a lot of folk got, or get, the chance to listen because the other kind of folk that control the switch to the free speech megaphone refused to turn it on for Democrats.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
3. For it to work...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:00 AM
Aug 2015

the media has to agree to work with you.

Follow the money. The biggest share of money spent on political campaign goes to media operations. The big networks and the cable companies are making a fortune off the present political system. They don't want it changed. They work hand in hand with the Republican Party... and most establishment Democrats, also.

They would like nothing better than for Donald Trump to spend a billion dollars out of his pockets.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. The mass media is baiting $Trump to dump a billion in early ad buys on them....quid pro quo for the
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:01 AM
Aug 2015

ridiculous amount of free advertising?

Does that make so much sense that no one wants to mention it?

mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
6. So true!
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:02 AM
Aug 2015

As if anyone can control the message of the corporate media. We will hear what they want us to hear, see what they want us to see.

A mistake by an EPA worker sent mine pollution into a Colorado river; corporate media hangs the EPA and shows pictures of the orange river for days after the orange was gone. Radioactivity discovered in PA rivers, probably from fracking? Crickets.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. If folks do not see how the mass media is attempting, again, to control public opinion, and is evil,...well...you
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:04 AM
Aug 2015

know.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
10. Bad idea. They would mimic the behavior of "losers".
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:13 AM
Aug 2015

Voters want politicians who get shit done or at least seem like they do.

Trump is new, Trump is provocative, Trump embodies the desire that "finally something gets done in Washington". And this reputation will last until voters realize that he's not that much talking about how he would solve their problems. Why would he solve their problems? They are losers!

The republican party has a similar problem, but right now, not some time in the future:
1. They don't get shit done. They have no accomplishments to run on.
2. A party in disarray won't get shit done. 16 candidates sniping at each other! Establishment vs Tea Party! Super-PAC vs Super-PAC! That doesn't look like a party that can do what you want it to do.

The Democrats do have accomplishments to run on: Obamacare (God, Republicans will be sorry they coined that word 5 years from now), Bin Laden, a rebouncing economy, Cuba, Iran...
And with only 3 major candidates so far, and very little sniping, the Democratic Party looks calm and orderly and on point.


Republicans have a clown-car full of candidates delivering story after story. The Democrats are the boring adult in the room. And in the good old tradition of "both-sides-do-it", the media is trying to come up with some scandal (Any scandal! Pretty please?) for Hillary to even things out. And why do they ignore Bernie Sanders? Because there's not even the potential for sensationalist headlines in this one. He's a bore who always talks about serious stuff. Boooooooooring! Tell us something about Hillary's hair!

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
12. Somebody may attack Trump with some of his own medicine?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:18 AM
Aug 2015

He is a bombastic misogynist who has had 4 draft deferments, 4 bankruptcies, 3 wives, and $10 billion dollars and is on a power trip. He would like nothing better than to give himself another tax break. He is full of "you know what"...

Also, they are not attacking Bernie because they want him to be their opponent. They believe they can destroy him personally with the "socialist" label. Who knows? The media will do everything they can to help them, I am sure.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
14. Attack-ads should be used sparringly, otherwise you come off as petty.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:27 AM
Aug 2015

Launching too many attack-ads (which Trump would definitely do) will cost the Republicans some fractions of percentage points:

A too high ratio of attack-ads means that you don't get your proposals across. So your opponents talks about what he would do to make the voter's life better, while you are gossiping how the other guy is a bad person.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
18. Right now, campaign-news are just crashs in slow-motion.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:50 AM
Aug 2015

The people are captivated with the gore, but I doubt that the poll-numbers stay like this when push comes to shove.

For example: McCain. He was among the Top 3 or 4 but not the frontrunner. And then he won the primary because he seemed like a reliable guy. (Even though the topic of the election had shifted from national security, his specialty, to economy.)

For example: Romney. He consistently polled at ~20-25%. He was never the frontrunner. He never caused excitement among republican voters. And in the end everbody compromised on him because the alternatives were simply horrible.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
20. Trump even called out Mitt Romney for losing the election to Obama...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:08 PM
Aug 2015

More or less, called him a loser.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. The other Republican candidates have no idea how to handle Trump's attacks.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
13. For the lack of a shoe, the war was lost.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:20 AM
Aug 2015

Democrats simply refuse to fight with the same weapons.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
17. Very good reminder, kentuck.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 10:47 AM
Aug 2015

With these clowns, however, I wonder if they decline to discuss real issues because maybe they just don't understand those issues very well.

It also seems a little early in the cycle for them to be relying on the emotion issues like abortion and immigration. They don't usually pull this crap out of their flaming bag of poo so early in the cycle. And they've gone full-tilt on them already.

I'm hoping it's because the real poll numbers don't look so good, and they're worried about their base.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
21. Well, the idea was for the Party to be more friendly toward the Mexican immigrants...
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:14 PM
Aug 2015

...and Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio would be able to siphon away a ton of Latino votes from the Democrats. They were the perfect candidates to do it.

However, something happened on the way to the Forum.... Donald Trump.

So what issue did he decide to push? Illegal Immigration. Instantly, the Tea Party gravitated toward him.

So much for the big idea...

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
22. Ya know what?
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 08:37 PM
Aug 2015

In all the hullaballoo over that ass Trump, I had forgotten all about those other guys need for Latino votes.

Oh, dear...we may have us a situation here. There's two or three clowns in the car that must have been counting at least some of those votes.

Is Trump for real? Or is he trolling the Republicans?

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
19. Karl Rove prefected this strategy a long time ago
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:37 PM
Aug 2015

The attacks on Hillary Clinton have a very Rovian type feel

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