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gabeana

(3,166 posts)
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 12:55 PM Aug 2015

Jimmy Carter one of the main reasons for bringing down the Soviet Union

"Jimmy Carter emerges as one of the heroes of the Cold
War. Gates, who served on Carter's NSC under Zbigniew Brzezinski, devotes
much of his memoir to redressing the image of Carter as a weakling who
failed to stand up to the Soviets. Gates argues that Carter's efforts to
promote human rights, support dissidents, and stir up nationalities went
far beyond presidential rhetoric. Early in the administration, says Gates,
Brzezinski initiated, and Carter approved, an unprecedented White House
effort to attack the internal legitimacy of the Soviet government. Gates
writes: "Carter had, in fact, changed the long-standing rules of the
Cold War. Through his human rights policies, he became the first president
since Truman to challenge directly the legitimacy of the Soviet government
in the eyes of its own people. . . . The Soviet leaders knew the implications
for them of what Carter was doing, and hated him for it."

http://prospect.org/article/who-won-cold-war

Jimmy Carter is not just a great former President, he was pretty darn good President, he had foresight, his human rights record made us live up to out better angels, dealing with an Economic (inflation, Opec) down turn that actually began under Nixon and continued to Ford. And why does the press forget the 82' depression, Carter had been out of office for over a year when this occurred,

Carter is the first President I remember and he is the reason why I became a Democrat, because to me he symbolized what this country should be not by rhetoric but by action

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HFRN

(1,469 posts)
1. Carter was dealt the hand of Vietnam hangover/inflation, and Iran time bomb from 1953
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:23 PM
Aug 2015

he was at worst, a little 'tone deaf' with the 'great malaise' speech (he didn't actually use that word), but in a second term, he could have made the largest improvement in the Mideast of all time

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
2. you make good points
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:32 PM
Aug 2015

"Tone Deaf" depiction is interesting because he did miscalculate that in talking to the American public like adults was not something the American people in general were ready for, they wanted a fairy tale image and that is what we got, but I do remember my mom aghast, she could not believe the country elected somebody like Reagan

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
4. 'because he did miscalculate that in talking to the American public like adults'
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:39 PM
Aug 2015

no, he talked down to them like children

but, I consider that his low point in an otherwise excellent executive character - and I attribute most of the negative things people remember to things beyond his control - NO president looks good, if the Fed jacks rates that high to deal with a past war's inflation, and Iran was a time bomb from 1953,(although in hind sight, he should have slipped a crack team of US doctors to meet the Shaw in a neutral location, rather than bringing him here

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
5. open to interpretation I guess
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 01:53 PM
Aug 2015

so if you tell the nation what you believe to accurate that is talking down to someone like children

he was being honest, now I was only 10 years old, so maybe if I heard it real time I would of seen it like you did, I have only read the speech

link to entire speech
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/carter-crisis/

"It's clear that the true problems of our Nation are much deeper -- deeper than gasoline lines or energy shortages, deeper even than inflation or recession. And I realize more than ever that as president I need your help. So I decided to reach out and listen to the voices of America."


"Our people are losing that faith, not only in government itself but in the ability as citizens to serve as the ultimate rulers and shapers of our democracy. As a people we know our past and we are proud of it. Our progress has been part of the living history of America, even the world. We always believed that we were part of a great movement of humanity itself called democracy, involved in the search for freedom, and that belief has always strengthened us in our purpose. But just as we are losing our confidence in the future, we are also beginning to close the door on our past.

In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we've discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning. We've learned that piling up material goods cannot fill the emptiness of lives which have no confidence or purpose.

The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past five years. Two-thirds of our people do not even vote. The productivity of American workers is actually dropping, and the willingness of Americans to save for the future has fallen below that of all other people in the Western world.

As you know, there is a growing disrespect for government and for churches and for schools, the news media, and other institutions. This is not a message of happiness or reassurance, but it is the truth and it is a warning.

These changes did not happen overnight. They've come upon us gradually over the last generation, years that were filled with shocks and tragedy.

We were sure that ours was a nation of the ballot, not the bullet, until the murders of John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. We were taught that our armies were always invincible and our causes were always just, only to suffer the agony of Vietnam. We respected the presidency as a place of honor until the shock of Watergate."

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. What specifically leads you allege Pres. Carter talked down as if to children to the population.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 02:02 PM
Aug 2015

What specifically leads you allege Pres. Carter talked down as if to children to the population.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
11. Honestly, I would have to rank Gorbachev and Nelson Mandela
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:55 PM
Aug 2015

as the two greatest world figures of the second half of the 20th century (1951-2000).

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. Very interesting take.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 03:53 PM
Aug 2015

Though the Soviet system was so sclerotic it was destined to fall sooner rather than later. After the old guys all died (Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko) the USSR couldn't remain in denial any longer and toppled over as soon as Gorbachev gave it a push.

I have little doubt that Brezhnev despised Carter for his emphasis on human rights, however.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
13. "Carter's efforts to promote human rights ..." Which continued with gusto after his presidency.
Fri Aug 21, 2015, 04:07 PM
Aug 2015

He did not just support human rights for tactical or strategic reasons. He believed in them.

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