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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumshistory is littered with strongmen nobody took seriously until it was too late.
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Its easy to dismiss Trumps ramblings as the words of a kook. But hes tapping into the rage and frustration many Americans feel when our country is exposed as being imperfect. These Republicans were shamed by their exalted leaderships debacle in Iraq and believe that American exceptionalism is no longer respected around the world and they are no longer respected here at home. Trump is a winner and I think this is fundamentally what attracts them to him:
I will be fighting and I will win because Im somebody that wins. We are in very sad shape as a country and you know why that is? Were more concerned about political correctness than we are about victory, than we are about winning. We are not going to be so politically correct anymore, we are going to get things done.
But his dark, authoritarian message of intolerance and hate is likely making it difficult for him, or any Republican, to win a national election, particularly since all the other candidates feel compelled to follow his lead. (Those who challenged him, like Perry and Paul, are sinking like a stone in the polls.) And while Trumps fans may want to blame foreigners for all their troubles, most Americans know that their troubles can be traced to some powerful people right here at home. Powerful people like Donald Trump.
Still, history is littered with strongmen nobody took seriously until it was too late. When someone like Trump captures the imagination of millions of people its important to pay attention to what hes saying. For all his ranting, youll notice that the one thing Trump never mentions is the constitution.
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/21/donald_trumps_campaign_of_terror_how_a_billionaire_channeled_his_authoritarian_rage_and_soared_to_the_top_of_the_polls/
ladjf
(17,320 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)He's a very smart individual and knows how to pull the media strings to get what he wants.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's not like we have a host of other political stories to talk about. Like what happened in the latest Democratic debate.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)better than someone like Trump as president.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)Let me know your thinking about that.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)out pretty good under corporatist governments. Some in the short term but others in the long run.
But mostly because that is what he is a corporatist and they are the owners of media. If we think bush and co. allowed corporations and the MIC to have their way. Just wait for Trump. He is all about money. All the other bull he is talking is window dressing.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)very conscious of history. He is striking a common core with many people and that has led some countries into horrific hellholes. There is a lack of empathy and humanity with him IMO. He's a ruthless CEO type and IMO that is not the makings of a good president.
renegade000
(2,301 posts)as with some of the fascist dictators of the 20th century. It shouldn't be taken lightly, but I think we're in better shape compared to back then. For one, Trump is no Hitler in terms of his personal appeal. Hitler had something of a sympathetic backstory, being born into a struggling middle class family and becoming a decorated WWI veteran. Trump is a boorish loudmouth born into privilege. Ultimately, there's only so far you can go with your popular "he's one of us" appeal there. Also, I think many of the insecurities and failures of his past led Hitler to work hard at developing his skills as a public speaker/figure. Again, Trump being born into privilege and already famous is unlikely to be as open to self-improvement in this regard.
Jesus christ, did I really just use Hitler as a positive example?
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Wealth and Fame for fame's sake. We worship a different backstory.
That's why he's dangerous.
ETA - Hitler!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)characteristic is persecution and suppression of some group the fascist followers, mainly social conservatives, want persecuted. Here, we have a wealth of groups these would-be fascists are straining to attack: all immigrants, American citizens belonging to a long list of minority group, non-Christians, and, of course, liberals.
I'm not sure Trump's the kind to be that afraid of, though. He would maybe just be a sheepdog whomping up national unrest for self aggrandizement, to be taken out by a pack of real wolves if a really destabilizing situation occurred.
That said, I believe we're far, more stable than some imagine. I just wish the signs of what could happen "IF" and who'd be turning in neighbors to the government weren't so obvious. It makes it hard to respect them for their good facets.
moondust
(19,993 posts)is a little bit reminiscent of the nationalism that developed in Germany after WWI, as is the anti-immigrant rhetoric.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And we all remember how that turned out. Not well.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)foreigners for their countries' problems. It's always the "others" who cause the problems, never your own 1%.
realFedUp
(25,053 posts)JCMach1
(27,559 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)the mannerisms are exactly those of Benito.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Not the Austrian Corporal, who had a genuine messiah complex, amongst all the other myriad twists in his brain.
Mussolini was a big-talking blowhard, a cheapjack bully, and nothing more than a loudmouthed nationalistic street goon when you cut to the crux of the biscuit. The parallels are, um, readily apparent. Giovanni Gentile wrote all the theoretical materials for him and the Duce was smart enough to memorize them.
A very apt comparison, I think.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Maeve
(42,282 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)for very different reasons mind you.
benld74
(9,904 posts)1) that foreign off shore bank used by the rich
2) that foreign subsidiary of an American Company used to shelter its money from taxes it SHOULD pay
3) that foreign country, our government always seems to attempt to give democracy/attempt to control its government/attempt to control its people
4) that foreign country American Company moves it manufacturing to in order to get lower/cheaper labor rates AND increase profits while shielding its money from taxes
ALL done for $$$$$$
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Sorry if your post was sarcastic, I sometimes can't tell, looked serious to me. If I understood you correctly I agree with your points, just pushin back on the finger-pointing at the foreigners instead of at the forces of power that are using them (and us).
kimbutgar
(21,163 posts)Every damn show now on the network highlights him. There are other things going on that need to be discussed but on MSNBC it trump trump and more trump. It is so tiring and unwatchable.
And if he is against foreigners why did he marry 2 foreign women. Aren't American women good enough for him. I wish someone would point that out.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or, in Trump's case, who don't actually want to be president.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The corollary is also true... history is replete with buffoonish and ineffectual characters who became little more than jokes and footnotes.
moondust
(19,993 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)"To be fair, I'm sure that speech sounded much better in the original German."
Still the best one-liner about any political speech. I cannot imagine the fun Molly would have with tRump and the rest of the klown kar.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)He plays up to corporations & big media. Says his brain trust will consist of successful business people. Blames everything on dirty criminal foreigners. Says he'll build a much bigger military. He assures everyone that he'll treat everything like a business. That's somewhat equivalent to Mussolini saying he'd get the trains to run on time.
hunter
(38,317 posts)It's not like we have any shortage of them..
Cha
(297,323 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Check it out - brings your post down to one to one comparisons:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027099967
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)chilling commentary...
LWolf
(46,179 posts)The U.S. brand of "patriotism" has always smelled of nationalism to me. It's one of the many serious flaws in the national character.