Don't matter to me.

Tongues have been wagging about that ever since. And there's even a theory that Lincoln had a relationship with a close male friend.

Also, the only president from Pennsylvania. Not that that means anything.

enough of that one. It should be deemed politically incorrect.

Everyone knows that.

People complaining about the race of the current President and/or the gender of the front runner for the Democratic Party nomination.

There is certainly just cause to complain about their actions.

The OP isn't "complaining" about the individuals who served as president. Rather, it is a commentary on the very limited definition of leadership that the American public that voted, subscribed to. Indeed, for a significant part of the nation's history, those who were able to vote were determined by the same narrow-mindedness that limited the options for leadership.

Thus, it was that same limited insight, which by law and by practice, limited the nation's potential for leadership, that is currently complaining about President Obama simply because he has brown skin, or Hillary Clinton, because she is female. (Which is not to suggest that everyone opposed to either of them is racist or sexist.)

History is what it is and can't be changed, only better understood.

US is pretty unique in that regard.

Unique, I guess, in being the only major English-speaking country not to have a female president/prime minister at one time or another. Although Kim Campbell of Canada was essentially just a caretaker, serving as PM for only a little more than 4 months.

Just saying.

Determined with certainty ... Sexual Orientation is not one of them.

political event and if DU shouts that they are fools working for the right, the activists are gay. If DU shouts that the activists are golden voices of righteousness who must not be questioned, those persons are straight.

And even after that were discouraged from doing so (in both cases).

I look forward to the first woman president and hope she actually represents the people. Maybe 2020.

later votes to overturn Roe so I can then turn on the news to see dead Women in back alleys in Alabama

cant wait

I for one want something more than being boiled more slowly bu the tenth-percenters.

violent, deadly outcomes?

Please tell me what is tired about the FACT that voting while Black will be near impossible, for instance, or a safe abortion, etc.

Please enlighten me

This is why I wont take you people seriously and why I believe there is an agenda

Paranoid much?

Bye now.

For the first 200 years the reality of it was that the office was only available to white men. Now it isn't. May the best person win.

you won't be running?

that has operated under the assumption that men are more capable leaders.

Talk about gridlock in DC.

How many men vs women have served in congress? Is there anyone who has stronger research skills than I post or tell me the easiest way to figure that one out?

especially in light of the fact that women couldn't even VOTE until #28 (Woodrow Wilson) was in office.

If Hillary wins the nomination, then people here are probably going to vote for her. But being a woman doesn't mean she's the best candidate. This is not a difficult thing for most people.

All other things being equal, I'd prefer to vote for a woman.

that is qualified and has a majority of my values, I'll vote for her. Same for a man.

Things are changing, but patriarchy takes a long, long time as it has been entrenched for so long. I can wait, however.

and I'm changing it.

But just because someone is of a female gender, does NOT mean she is different

Of political and religious leaders, business owners, cops, judges, SAH-parents, professors and philosophers, the world would be no different for its people? Even its female people?

I disagree.

And "changing it" isn't just about this election. It's about how I live and where I donate and how I raise my kids and do my job and so on.

I wish all Democrats cared about changing it. Many seem not toذ.

few women leaders in the entire world. Maybe Eleanor of Aquitaine and a few others, but they were a very rare breed.

What is your next post-and-run thread going to be about?

And to me that is a horribly sexist thing to say.

This poster has posted similar threads that speak nothing of her experience or leadership, but only advocate for her because she's a she. If anyone else said vote for Bernie, Jim, or Martin only because they are men and a man needs to win it this time, they'd be locked and deleted as being a sexist mysogynist.

to the fact that women have been excluded and shat on for quite a long time. (The presidency thing being just one tiny example.)

I would expect Democrats (we ARE Democrats, right??) to respond by recognizing this, agreeing wholeheartedly.that it's a problem, and talking passionately about how we can make it better.

Many of these responses piss me off.

And saying she needed to be more harsh because she was a woman is telling all the people who suffered under her that they were not important at all, just collateral damage.
Like Carly Fiorina? She damaged so many people at Hewlett Packard because she was/is an arrogant snake oil salesman.

I don't think there is a generalization that can be made, is all I'm saying. I have worked for some really good women, and then again, worked for some absolutely horrendous women. I started working in the late 60's, when just being a female programmer took nerve, and I was treated like crap. Did what I could, refused to be treated differently than the guys. And my idea of feminism is that gender is not important, the person is.

that tiny fraction of women who survive to reach the top do it in the same way men do, and follow the style and traditions set by men.

OTOH if women ruled and men were locked out and kept down since time began, women would.... behave horribly too, I am sure. Power corrupts.

But women and men together, equals, and roughly equally represented in leadership: imagine how different the world would be.

Yes, I think now situations arise where you can see that. In a courtroom where the judge and both lawyers are female, for instance. It's about doing the job, not about who is the strongest.

We need to relieve our boys/men from that ego macho thing. Where everything has to be about who "won" and the ego.

That to me is even more staggering.

and the fact that males have occupied most positions of power. thankfully that is changing. and considering the young age of this republic, it's not horrible imo. but it needs to change.

For the first hundred and thirty something years women couldn't even vote.

I actually think it's a much bigger deal that so few women have been on the Supreme Court. I think only women should be appointed to the SC as vacancies occur, and then it should be an all female court for as long as it was an all male court. THAT would matter a whole lot more than a female POTUS.

To get the the place in one's career, where a run for the presidency (or even the senate) requires so much money and (usually) a decent work-history is pretty much out of the ordinary for most women.

Child bearing/rearing takes a toll on a career, and it's really only been since the early 80's, when women even started getting higher quality jobs.

To run for the presidency, most people are at least in their mid 50's, so women are just now getting to be ready to start winning more often..

Most women would not piggyback on their husband's careers, and most do not have much money or a list of would-be contributors, so the man's-world continues

for a LITTLE while longer at least

No not really, consider the fact that most of those presidents were voted in when women couldn't vote (much less run). Just apart of history; can't change it.

between Democratic and Republican ought to consider voting for Hillary just to overthrow that. Jump on the chance to have a woman President and watch right wing heads explode. Hillary of all women seems most perfect to turn them into crazed nut-balls.

They'd hate a woman president, but especially Hillary - they have been enraged at her for decades now.

I remember them in the 90s saying, "I hate the President - and her husband, too." Being right wingers, they thought that was funny.

as perfect as George Washington was....