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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:09 PM Aug 2015

Is Trump an "anchor baby"? Was borne by a Scottish immigrant mother. Whole family were immigrants.

"Trump was born on June 14, 1946, in the borough of Queens in New York City. He is the fourth of five children born to Mary Anne (née MacLeod) and Fred Trump, who had married in 1936. His sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, is a former Senior United States Circuit Judge for the U.S. Court of Appeals.[20]

Trump's mother was a Scottish immigrant, born on the Isle of Lewis, off the west coast of Scotland.[21] Trump's paternal grandparents were German immigrants;[22] Trump's grandfather, Friedrich DRUMPF, was a successful Klondike Gold Rush restaurateur who anglicized the family name.[23]

After World War II and until the 1980s, Trump's father claimed the family was of Swedish rather than German origin, because "he had a lot of Jewish tenants and it wasn't a good thing to be German in those days", a nephew told The New York Times.[24] In his 1987 book, The Art of the Deal, Donald Trump continued to claim Swedish heritage.[25][26]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

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Is Trump an "anchor baby"? Was borne by a Scottish immigrant mother. Whole family were immigrants. (Original Post) Fred Sanders Aug 2015 OP
Was his mother mainstreetonce Aug 2015 #1
She and Trunp's entire family were immigrants....white immigrants. I see there is a silent distinction being made by the racists. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #2
A good question Duckhunter935 Aug 2015 #4
In those days if you were white you were legal malaise Aug 2015 #27
More amnesia and/or lack of knowledge of the non-white experience that comes hand in hand with white privilege. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #33
No dumbcat Aug 2015 #3
So his Real Immigration Policy is, "I got mine...sucks to be you?" libdem4life Aug 2015 #5
"It sucks to be not white, get used to it while we create a police state to get rid of you". Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #6
Other than the Nazi-like end game...and i agree with you...I was happy libdem4life Aug 2015 #7
I have to concede....Technically Trump has an "anchor mother"... Which is also a slur, but anyone can make up the Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #10
Kind of like they can't figure out what "rape" is. Dumb like a fox. libdem4life Aug 2015 #14
Exactly...another slur term was "legitimate rape". I propose we turn the slurs back on the fascists. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #18
Trump's father was born in the US, Trump was born in the US his mother was not. Can you think of Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #8
You should have dropped the mic at the end of your post. Glassunion Aug 2015 #9
But his grandfather was not a citizen so ... Kablooie Aug 2015 #11
ex post facto laws melm00se Aug 2015 #21
Trump can fix that. Kablooie Aug 2015 #22
and he can pop melm00se Aug 2015 #25
Water. You forgot the walking on water bit. Kablooie Aug 2015 #28
Turds float on water. TahitiNut Aug 2015 #35
Are you crazy? Trump was born in Queens. I guess you could try to make the case Nay Aug 2015 #12
"Anchor mother" would be more accurate, as slurs go, I do concede....though slurs have no defintions, they are slurs! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #13
There is no such thing as "an anchor mother" problem when the baby was born on US soil, so Nay Aug 2015 #15
Nay. Complete swing and a miss with your giant Strawman pinch hitting! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #17
This ^^^^ libdem4life Aug 2015 #16
The Immigration Act Of 1924 aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2015 #19
Trump's mother got into America legally due to a racist immigration law....that figures! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #20
"Anchor mother?" dumbcat Aug 2015 #23
Is my attacking Trump giving some folks a sad, dumbcat? Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #24
No, it's your dumbcat Aug 2015 #26
Thank you for the clarification on intellect and writing skills and Republican tactics,..dumbcat. Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #29
You're welcome dumbcat Aug 2015 #30
I'll admit that I have very little familiarity with immigration laws TeddyR Aug 2015 #31
this is where they are not thinking treestar Aug 2015 #32
White folks, in part, simply do not have much of a clue, not their fault, that their white experience is not reflected Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #34

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. She and Trunp's entire family were immigrants....white immigrants. I see there is a silent distinction being made by the racists.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:16 PM
Aug 2015

The fact she was legal or illegal is irrelevant because the term being used so freely now is a slur and a smear on brown immigrants only, and that is how Trump intended it.

The issue is not legality, it is racism.

The point is the hypocrisy of hating immigrants when your own mother was one!

But a white immigrant is a good immigrant....that is the total message.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
33. More amnesia and/or lack of knowledge of the non-white experience that comes hand in hand with white privilege.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:04 PM
Aug 2015
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
5. So his Real Immigration Policy is, "I got mine...sucks to be you?"
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:20 PM
Aug 2015

And in those days millions of Europeans were coming over in droves. Hmmm...maybe it is really "Europe=good/Mexico=bad". White=yes Brown=no

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. "It sucks to be not white, get used to it while we create a police state to get rid of you".
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:22 PM
Aug 2015

That is the plan, indeed.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
7. Other than the Nazi-like end game...and i agree with you...I was happy
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:27 PM
Aug 2015

about how Sanders handled the BLM situation. Many of us brought up in white families, neighborhoods, churches need a crash course...and following Bernie has been helpful.

In my training classes I used to say, "You don't know what it is you don't know until you know what it is you don't know." Then, and only then, can progress or education begin.

I was irritated by disrupting the rally, but Sanders handled it very well and it was an education/news commentary we needed to hear.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. I have to concede....Technically Trump has an "anchor mother"... Which is also a slur, but anyone can make up the
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:45 PM
Aug 2015

a definition for any slur!

It's a slur, slurs have no definition or meaning, except to dehumanize and categorize.

Does not mean everyone has to except the term being used as a slur.

That the media is even debating the meaning of a slur is a slur.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. Trump's father was born in the US, Trump was born in the US his mother was not. Can you think of
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:32 PM
Aug 2015

any other politicians with one US parent and another not? I can. This is way up Birther Alley, Fred.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
11. But his grandfather was not a citizen so ...
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:49 PM
Aug 2015

so if the law is made retroactive his father was never a citizen so he wouldn't be either.
In fact if the law is made retroactive probably 80% of Americans could be deported.

melm00se

(4,996 posts)
21. ex post facto laws
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:33 PM
Aug 2015

are not legal in the US.

reading the US Constitution should be mandatory:

Prohibition of federal ex post facto laws: clause 3 of Article I, Section 9 of the United States Constitution

Prohibition of state ex post facto laws: clause 1 of Article I, Section 10

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
22. Trump can fix that.
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:49 PM
Aug 2015

The Constitution and precedent are no barrier to a mighty buffoon like Donald Duck --- uh --- I mean Trump.

melm00se

(4,996 posts)
25. and he can pop
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

his fingers and:

make the sun rise in the west
stop the tide for rising
get elected president
cause rain to fall up

anything else I missed?

Nay

(12,051 posts)
12. Are you crazy? Trump was born in Queens. I guess you could try to make the case
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:56 PM
Aug 2015

that Queens was a foreign country, but I don't think you would get very far.

Please don't post such completely ridiculous stuff. You're embarrassing yourself.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. "Anchor mother" would be more accurate, as slurs go, I do concede....though slurs have no defintions, they are slurs!
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 12:58 PM
Aug 2015

No one should feel embarrassed by attacking a racist who wants to imprison 11million immigrants based on skin color.

He is a walking embarrassment to humanity!

White immigrants good, brown immigrants bad.....I do not agree.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
15. There is no such thing as "an anchor mother" problem when the baby was born on US soil, so
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:05 PM
Aug 2015

your raising of that 'point' indicates your ignorance.

To make matters worse, you dilute the very real dangers of a possible Trump victory by indulging in inanities that should be reserved for frothing right-wing stormfront sites.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. Nay. Complete swing and a miss with your giant Strawman pinch hitting!
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:09 PM
Aug 2015

No such thing as an "anchor baby" either, whatever defintion you use, is there?

An illegal immigrant woman giving birth in America does not get citizenship because of a borne child...their is no "anchor", it is yet another RW lie the mass media is too lazy or uncaring to say otherwise.


http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/21/the-washington-post-debunks-conservative-medias/205082

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
19. The Immigration Act Of 1924
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:25 PM
Aug 2015

set quotas for each country in the world. If Trump's mother came from Scotland in the 1930s, with a valid visa, she probably was allowed in the country right away. She was a legal immigrant and not illegal and therefore her child could not be a so-called "anchor baby". The quotas set by the immigration laws back then highly favored northern and western European countries. Germans were allowed in by droves. Italian immigration which was previously about 200,000 a year, was cut to almost nothing. Very few Jews, Slavs, Africans, Arabs, and Asians were allowed in under that Act of 1924 until new legislation in 1965.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. Trump's mother got into America legally due to a racist immigration law....that figures!
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 01:28 PM
Aug 2015

"Anchor mother", it is!

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
23. "Anchor mother?"
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 02:19 PM
Aug 2015

Your concept is just fucking stupid. Really. Keep digging and showing off your keen intellect.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
26. No, it's your
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:14 PM
Aug 2015

dumbshit posts attacking logic and rhetoric and the English language. And twisting facts and context just like a Republican. That gives thinking people a sad.

Not calling YOU a dumbshit, of course, just the ideas in your posts.

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
31. I'll admit that I have very little familiarity with immigration laws
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:54 PM
Aug 2015

But if Trumps mother was a legal immigrant and he was born in the US then he almost certainly is a US citizen. My understanding of the phrase "anchor baby" is that it refers to a child born to someone who is not a legal immigrant, although that child is also a US citizen due to being born here.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. this is where they are not thinking
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 03:58 PM
Aug 2015

it might be that Trump's mother came legally to the US. So would the children of legally present aliens be citizens if born in the US? Trump and his followers might allow for that.

But where they are really being idiots is that if you think it through, eventually the country would have fewer citizens than it did noncitizens. It's shooting ourselves in the foot for no reason other than plain old hatred.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
34. White folks, in part, simply do not have much of a clue, not their fault, that their white experience is not reflected
Sat Aug 22, 2015, 04:10 PM
Aug 2015

in the non-white experience...they simply do not see things through the lens of the same life experience, or the same shared historical experience.

Can white folks hearts and minds be changed....yea, I think so, most anyway....but in the meantime it is all about policy changes through legislation that can right the historical wrongs...that can be done with winning elections.

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