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There are signs that Trump has reached the peak of his appeal and is now in the beginning of a slow decline.
His deportation plans and his unwarranted attack (not a counter punch, but a sucker punch) of Megyn Kelly are both contributing factors. The Republican hierarchy, furthermore, is increasingly irritated and is beginning to take action (for now only harming his electability as a third-party candidate).
But the most important reason is that people (with the exception of die-hard Tea Partiers) are getting tired of him, his non-plans, and his bluster. A loud-mouthed egotist is interesting for only so long.
Are there other signs?
What do you think?
yardwork
(61,703 posts)He's a spoiled rich kid with a long history of failure in business and his personal life. I don't think he has the discipline or even the interest in running an actual campaign. Grueling hard work? Not for the Donald.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)when I try to guess the excuses he would use (health, time with family) they all seem to undercut his image of himself, and is is nothing if not image.
livetohike
(22,163 posts)I agree.
TheOther95Percent
(1,035 posts)I've heard it said that he'll drop out after he loses a couple of primaries. I don't think so this time. He's enjoying the worship from the lunatics. Plus this could be lucrative for him. He can monetize his followers in his subsequent business ventures. I wouldn't count him out for that reason alone. It's always been about the money for Trump. He might play the position of spoiler. If he can't have the prize, he'll make sure that someone like Jebbie doesn't get it either. He is a loud-mouthed egoist for sure. Someone I know has been on the other side of the table from him on a contractual agreement. He is a hard-headed bastard and he will do whatever he can to get what he wants.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)in a blind trust or other mechanism. Or that he would have to give up "control" of his enterprises.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)I know we have always heard this, and that it seems it is (maybe only sometimes?) done, but where is there such a requirement?
I see nothing in the Constitution requiring this. Is there some provision in the US Code saying something such as "The President shall ..." that was passed by the Congress and signed by a President? Or is it just tradition and "the right thing to do for the Presidents image" to avoid charges of corruption? Would Trump care?
Does anyone know the actual requirement?
connecticut yankee
(1,728 posts)While he was running things from behind the scenes. But let's hope it doesn't come to that.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)and it seems the President is not required to place his assets into a blind trust. I also thought he had to, but apparently not. And I don't think Trump would care to relinquish control of his buildings, especially the one where he lives in NYC. His properties are not exactly fungible.
The Use of Blind Trusts by Federal Officials
CRS Report for Congress
The Use of Blind Trusts By Federal Officials
http://congressionalresearch.com/RS21656/document.php
Disqualification. The principal federal conflict of interest law provides that an
official who administers federal law should not take any official action on, or make
recommendations concerning any particular governmental matter in which that official,
or one closely associated with the official, has a personal financial interest.4 That is,
federal officials in the executive branch of Government, other than the President or Vice
President,5 must generally recuse or disqualify themselves from participating in any
particular governmental matter in which they have a financial interest, or in which their
spouse, dependant children, partner, or business with which they are associated, has a
financial interest. Executive branch officials may also be required, under regulations
promulgated by the Office of Government Ethics [OGE], to recuse themselves from
certain governmental matters affecting an even broader category of persons or entities
with whom they have a covered relationship.6
--- snip ---
5 18 U.S.C. § 202(c) now expressly exempts the President and Vice President from § 208.
6 5 C.F.R. §§ 2635.501, 2635.502.
7 P.L. 95-521, as amended; see now 5 U.S.C. app. §§ 101 et seq. In addition to public disclosures
required by law of high-ranking officials, confidential disclosures to employing agencies may be
required from certain rank-and-file federal employees. 5 C.F.R. § 2634.901 et seq.
options, futures, mutual fund shares, and partnership shares, even those interests held in
a trust managed by an independent trustee for the benefit of the official, are required to
be disclosed by the public official in his or her disclosure reports, unless the trust meets
one of the three exceptions in the law, including a qualified blind trust.8 For elected
federal officials, that is, Members of Congress, the President and Vice President, public
financial disclosure and the attendant publicity is the principal method of conflict of
interest regulation, as such constitutional officers are not required by statute to disqualify
or recuse themselves from the performance of their constitutional duties.9
mucifer
(23,565 posts)and he seems to have that crazy dictator thing going on. White supremacists are now flocking to his side. Hopefully the stock market will calm down soon.
For trump to start tanking someone else in the repub party has to start doing well. Do you see that happening? I don't. He continues to be tops in their polls.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)and deport them is frightening reminiscent of the Third Reich in the 1940's.
I'm not Jewish nor a Mexican-American, but this scares the hell out of me as well.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)People saw right through her attempt to target Trump. His attack on her was warranted and it didn't hurt him one bit. Anyone who attacks a Fox "news" wingnut is to be lauded. That's the one good thing Trump has done.
Trump has not peaked yet. He's going to decline as he is forced to actually flesh out plans to back his bluster. But, he's not there yet. Once the republican clown car flushes out the many also-rans, more pressure will be on Trump.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)but I sense a shift with them as well.
On Fox & Friends (which usually interviews and gushes all over Trump) this morning even Brian Kilmeade attacked Trump for this fairly strongly, and the other two stooges acquiesced.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)over that chore to Jeff Zucker and CNN...and Don Lemon, Trump's only black media BFF.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)Trump has been on Fox & Friends numerous times since the debate.
I've tuned into phone interviews with him and the three morons on at least three occasions in the last two weeks if remember correctly. Tt might even have been four.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)is so mature and beyond reproach.
Trump came off as a misogynist attacking her the way he did, and I don't even like MK. His comments about her and women pretty much prove her point: that he's shallow and sexist.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)occurred yesterday. His unprovoked attack was on Twitter:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-megyn-kelly_55dbce5ee4b04ae497044215?kvcommref=mostpopular
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Anyone who attacks a Fox "news" wingnut is to be lauded..."
I suppose that's one of many ways to justify an overt and obvious sexism, regardless of how one will attempt to rationalize it otherwise.
samsingh
(17,601 posts)so is trump
I love it when my enemies fight each other.
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)without any instigating action from MK. Basically, made direct attacks or retweeted other statements that commented on her looks, professionalism, etc.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-trolls-terrible-megyn-kelly-again-rts-someone-calling-her-a-bimbo/
Having a one-way vendetta against someone who rightfully called him out on his misogynistic statements over the years (and who has stayed out of the fray since the debate) is eventually going to backfire.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Misogynist asshole to lead the country, our military, and our foreign policy? WTH?
There were other tweets about rape stats in the military. He implies segregation of sexes, not improved discipline, a better reporting system that doesn't punish victims, would take care of this. He's a vile asshole.
God, I hope his attacks backfire.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,198 posts)And should not have been subjected to further petty and childish verbal insults aimed at her simply for pointing out the truth. After all, it's not like Trump never said those things.
Yes, it's Fox News. But even the blind squirrels at Fox will find the nut of responsible journalism once in a while.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)I'm no fan of the FOX propaganda machine but he responded to her questions about his history of misogynistic remarks by attacking her with more with misogynistic remarks. Screw that.
LexVegas
(6,094 posts)underpants
(182,877 posts)This is the branding/perception crowd after all.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)and avoid the chance of a bad hair pic with the accompanying jokes.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)skip fox
(19,359 posts)1.)State Republican leaders in Virginia and North Carolina trying to keep him off the ballot as a third-party candidate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141187346
2.) Brian Kilmeade this morning on Fox & Friends attacking Trump for unprovoked attack on Megyn Kelly yesterday. (And he has been on Fox & Friends numerous times since the debate.)
3.) Trump's plans for rounding up all illegal aliens and deporting them not only sounds increasingly silly if not impossible even to Republicans like Bill O'Reilly and Jeb Bush, but these plans sound eerily similar to such plans in Germany and France in the 1940s (and I think even our sleepwalking fellow citizens can unconsciously hear that), which is disgusting not to mention very frightening.
These are the observable signs I would point to. They are not much, but seem to indicate that Trump is just on the other side of the tip of his popularity and is starting his slow (but certain) slide back down into intellectual and moral decrepitude as a barker at the cultural side-show of H*rd-On Capitalism.
But it seems to me that his face and mouth jumping for the television screen 24/7 with such blatantly proud stupidity must be turning off most Republicans and Independents with the exception of the Tea Party, Sean Hannity, Sarah Palin, et al.
Maeve
(42,288 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)While I'd love to see him implode, all signs point to his persistent appeal...
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)wilsonbooks
(972 posts)There are lots of both in America. He says what they would like to say. He will be around for a while.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Chakab
(1,727 posts)vacation from Fox News due to the amount of vitriol that she was receiving from Trump fans and wingnuts in general who didn't like the "PC tone" of her questions to him in the debate.
Do you have an actual data to back up your opinion? The conventional wisdom from the beginning has been that Trump's bluster would make him a joke candidate, yet he continues to garner support in the polls with each new outrage.
On a side note, I have no fucking sympathy for Megyn Kelly at all. She doesn't give two shits about the right's problem with misogyny. In fact, she actually agrees with most of it. Keep in mind that she was one of the people in the right wing media who ripped Sandra Fluke to shreds. Her sole purpose in asking Trump that question was to tear him down so that the establishment candidates could properly establish themselves in the race as the front runner.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)Can't it be that these reflect his peak, but in a few days as everyone begins to look closer (often because of his brashness and blatantly childish attacks) the polls will begin to slip.
Let's wait and see.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)Reality or ?
skip fox
(19,359 posts)1.)State Republican leaders in Virginia and North Carolina trying to keep him off the ballot as a third-party candidate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141187346
2.) Brian Kilmeade this morning on Fox & Friends attacking Trump for unprovoked attack on Megyn Kelly yesterday. (And he has been on Fox & Friends numerous times since the debate.)
3.) Trump's plans for rounding up all illegal aliens and deporting them not only sounds increasingly silly if not impossible even to Republicans like Bill O'Reilly and Jeb Bush, but these plans sound eerily similar to such plans in Germany and France in the 1940s (and I think even our sleepwalking fellow citizens can unconsciously hear that), which is disgusting not to mention very frightening.
These are the observable signs I would point to. They are not much, but seem to indicate that Trump is just on the other side of the tip of his popularity and is starting his slow (but certain) slide back down into intellectual and moral decrepitude as a barker at the cultural side-show of H*rd-On Capitalism.
But it seems to me that his face and mouth jumping for the television screen 24/7 with such blatantly proud stupidity must be turning off most Republicans and Independents with the exception of the Tea Party, Sean Hannity, Sarah Palin, et al.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)But we're talking the GOP here, right?
Racism
Misogyny
Greed
Blame someone else.
Trump has got them all.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)but the soft-core Republicans are discernibly pulling away.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)He was entertaining but now I would like him to go away
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Eventually. After he has done maximum damage to the Republicans.
mnhtnbb
(31,402 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)while keeping it interesting every time? Eventually people are going to want answers to the questions that are on their minds, like why is their retirement under attack? Is he planning on raising the minimum wage? What about outsorcing?
The public wants answers Donald!
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)New polls conducted in the key early-primary states New Hampshire and South Carolina show the Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump not only with large leads over the rest of the GOP field, but with robust support among groups that had not previously shown strong backing for him, such as evangelical Christians and women.
The numbers arrived just as Trump let loose with fresh attacks on Republican rivals, including the former Florida governor Jeb Bush, and on media figures, including Fox News host Megyn Kelly.
A poll of usual Republican voters in New Hampshire by left-leaning Public Policy Polling (PPP) found Trump attracting 35% support, well beyond that of the runner-up, John Kasich, the Ohio governor, who was on 11%. Trumps wide lead held among both evangelicals (32%) and women (30%).
In South Carolina, a Monmouth University poll of likely voters found Trump with a 30%-15% lead over neurosurgeon Ben Carson, his nearest rival in the state. Evangelical Christians in the poll backed Trump over Carson 33%-15%, and women backed Trump 25%-18%.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/25/donald-trump-women-voters-key-primary-states-polls
skip fox
(19,359 posts)But, as in your post: "The numbers arrived just as Trump let loose with fresh attacks on Republican rivals, including the former Florida governor Jeb Bush, and on media figures, including Fox News host Megyn Kelly."
I'm speculating on his numbers by the end of this week or early next.
skip fox
(19,359 posts)by shouting out encouragement at his rallies as well more overtly. Esp. David Duke's implicit endorsement:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141187892
I'm guessing that this will also start turning the more sane Republicans off, I think.