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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI've seen and heard Alison Parker's name more in the past 24 hours
than I've seen and heard Clementa Pinkney's or Cynthia Marie Graham Hurd's in the past 2 months.
That bothers me.
First off, I'm not saying the media should be naming the Charlestown victims now, but that they didn't name them nearly as often at the time as they are Parker and Ward.
There's more than race involved here, I feel confident saying. She was female and attractive (had it only been Ward shot I don't think this story would have taken off quite like it did, and I doubt his name would be printed nearly as often, in fairness). But there definitely is race involved here.
Anyways, those two deserve to be named and remembered as something other than victims of a horrible crime; I'm glad the media has responded the way they have. I'd like to see this kind of reporting on them and their lives as a template for what to do the next time (God forbid) something like this happens.
JI7
(89,250 posts)attractive and white also but didn't get as much as this .
the same happened with the charlie hebdo attack.
but race does have some as when the charleston attack happened they didn't stay on it with live breaking news as they have done with so many other attacks .
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)It was designed and premeditated for weeks to become a social media, viral, psychopathic revealing of the underlying psychosis of the perpetrator. The perpetrator was well versed in media, knew what it would take for his actions to be heard, and acted them out in a very precise manner.
It is well known that the perpetrator waited until the camera man was pointing directly at Alison before he started shooting. Having experience in live reporting, he waited until he knew that they were even reporting live. He was extremely purposeful in his actions.
While it is easy to dismiss the media's intentions on this event, I really can't see how it can be helped. Social media websites blew up over it. Some sites even went down because of it. It was being spread regardless.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)rather than the location of the shooting as the shorthand for it. This isn't "the Smith Mountain Lake shooting".
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)While trying to test your theory I searched for "murder of" and "wikipedia" and the results are interesting: https://www.google.com/search?q=murder+of+wikipedia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Almost all white people (and white women in particular) whose names are the convention for the description of the murder.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)She called it the "Lifetime movie effect"
MADem
(135,425 posts)introduced into the story by the shooter. I saw an interview with a co-worker from years before at another station and she expressed complete disbelief that this was the same guy. I think it's pretty clear he was in the grip of some serious mental illness.
It is very unusual to see a murder happen on live television and to see the image of the murderer reflected in the lens.
This event is like something in a formulaic crime drama--only it's real.
romanic
(2,841 posts)but at the same time it just happened 24 hours ago and on live television no less.
I dunno i just don't like comparing tragedies and politicizing them for debates. Its all so sad to me.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Just pointing out something BLM has observed. I took it wrong at first. It's more of a side issue than a primary one, just something that is easy to observe and ponder. (And hope gets rectified.)
murielm99
(30,741 posts)We did see the Charleston victims initially. I commented to my husband about how that church and community had lost some very valuable and respected members. It was unconscionable. But I did not see the victims' names or pictures much after the initial exposure.
This does happen with black victims. If black children go missing, if young black women are victims of crime, there is often no publicity. I remember an exception in my state. There was a terrible shooting in a mall in Tinley Park. Five black women were killed in a Lane Bryant shop. Maybe because it was in a mall? Is that why there was so much more publicity?
The response to this recent shooting may have been so swift and overwhelming because the media lost two of their own. It has shaken them. Of course it is a terrible thing. I heard that the cameraman's fiancé's wedding dress was delivered today. How awful.
I am glad BLM has taken notice of this. We all need to do the same.
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)3 white women and 2 black women. I still can't believe they haven't caught the perp.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)this was one of their own and as such they folks in the media (and I think justifiably so) relate to those individuals more closely and are more likely to comment upon them as they can see this happening to themselves or co-workers. Likewise we all watch local news from time to time and could relate to this news crew as people who would be on our own TV screen in our own home. I believe it to be more human nature than anything else.
A sad event of young lives cut short by a troubled individual with a gun.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Jillian Johnson and Mayci Breaux were white and female and attractive and no one knows their names.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Parker's name appears more times in news reports in the past 24 hours than Pinckney's did in the past 2 months.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And the part that is not true is what you wrote in your post.
Specifically:
"There's more than race involved here, I feel confident saying. She was female and attractive (had it only been Ward shot I don't think this story would have taken off quite like it did, and I doubt his name would be printed nearly as often, in fairness). But there definitely is race involved here."
Your assertion that Parker being "female and attractive" is the reason the story took off the way that it did has no empirical evidence and is belied by the fact that a person who was "female and attractive" (and also white) was killed in the Louisiana movie theatre shooting yet her name appears even less frequently than does Pinckney's.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)the attention that can be allotted to victims. Because, Lord knows, it has to be exactly the same or someone raises another tragic grievance about THAT.
Just maybe... the Charleston victims weren't mentioned by name as often because there were more of them. This is the basic difference between two and a group.
No, that can't be it. There has to be an "ism" in it somewhere.
People act like they are 4. I don't think there is any maturity left in the adult population whatsoever.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)this event doesn't inspire copy-cats.