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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:30 AM Aug 2015

watching Joe Scarborough in another light...he's still going on about how Trump is

keying in on the fears and concerns of millions of people, having fans flock to his public speeches, "saying it like it is" about outsiders coming into our country to millions of people who "feel the same way" and want to "make our country great again."

And I thought, well, we saw the rise of men in the last century making that same argument and not just in Germany, but also in Italy ("return to Rome's great empire that lasted hundreds of years), Spain (return to its glorious dominion of the world at one time).

I don't care if it's Godwin's law or whatever. It's history. We see history repeat itself. There's plenty of film footage that we can see today...

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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
3. I don't know what Scarborough's game is. Maybe he just wants to poke fun at media
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:37 AM
Aug 2015

that says that Trump is gonna fold up and go away at some point. Well, history tells us the same thing happened in Europe of the 'thirties. But some were listening and acting.

spanone

(135,838 posts)
2. scarborough is a pompous partisan ass. so are his fawning co-hosts.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:36 AM
Aug 2015

joe would be fine with a trump presidency

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
6. It is the millions of people who have come to this nation which
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:53 AM
Aug 2015

has made our country great. When is someone going to start reframing that and push back?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
7. I love it when less recent immigrants here look down on more recent immigrants.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:58 AM
Aug 2015

I could do that if I wanted to. If someone whose family came in in the late 19th century wants to look down on those coming in the 21st, well I can say my family came here from Scotland in the 18th century but so what? Oh, yeah, mine spoke English...but I don't know that they didn't speak a dialect of English that we would find bewildering...

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
9. Did I say that?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:40 AM
Aug 2015

We have a tradition of immigrants coming here throughout history, including the ones who are coming now. Not all immigrants have spoken English, including some of mine who spoke German, Dutch, and Gaelic. My children's father's family came very recently and speak Farsi. I think you are reading way more into what I said than was it was intended to convey.

We can best honor the historical importance of contributions of immigrants by acknowledging that we are still living in that tradition.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. I was being a bit satirical and sarcastic. I don't believe I am any way superior to
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:59 AM
Aug 2015

any other person because of my ancestry or whether anyone's people first came over in the 19th century, 18th century, 20th or 21st. We are all immigrants. Period. But I do know some people who insist that their immigrants are somehow "better" than the Hispanic immigrants.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. Oh, it happens. I've learned that I can read something and get upset but when I go
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:53 PM
Aug 2015

back for a second look I find it was intended to be satirical. I've been on juries here where I have just had to ask to be excused because I truly don't know how to take the comment.

Thanks, Skidmore. I'm good...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
12. yep. here's some text on benito's fascism.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:09 AM
Aug 2015

"Fascism instead supported nationalist sentiments such as a strong unity, regardless of class, in the hopes of raising Italy up to the levels of its great Roman past." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini

See how that fits with Trump's "make America great again"?

edit to add some info about another dictator, Generalissimo Franco of Spain:

"Franco intended to restore Spain to its former glory once the Civil War came to an end, but he soon discovered his country to be as economically damaged and politically divided as ever, and the outbreak of World War II only five months later made his government’s grasp on the country even more tenuous. "

http://www.biography.com/people/francisco-franco-9300766

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,575 posts)
14. I never watch those guys- MSNBC et al
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:56 AM
Aug 2015

it's nothing but propaganda. The News Media at one time was informative (I'm old so I mean Cronkite,Severied etc) but now it's morphed into a Conservative Message Machine. The journalists and commentators of the old days would be ripping T-Rump for having no substantive position. Everything he says is a generalization or a catch phrase and todays pundits give him a pass..........

PufPuf23

(8,782 posts)
16. History doesn't repeat but rather rhymes and harmonizes.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:51 PM
Aug 2015

Trump is an attention hog and panderer that has the ego that he will be POTUS if there are enough stupid American voters.

And we will find a new level of awful should Trump be POTUS.

But some will be happy and those happy will not all be stupid, some will be predators set even more free.

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