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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy experience with the IRS lady...........
So I get this notice that my company is delinquent on some corporate taxes.
I knew that this was incorrect so off to the CPA I go. After confirming that the notice was
incorrect, we set an appointment at the IRS office. I really wasn't sure what to expect
but I was determined to go in with an open mind. After having been kept waiting for over an hour,
we finally were allowed to go into an office. There behind the desk, sat an efficient looking woman
who did not stand to greet us. After several minutes of "official" small talk, alarm bells started going off in my head.
She conducted herself in the smarmy, condescending manner so common to some life time bureaucrats .
At one point, she informed me that "I didn't seem too concerned about the issue", and I agreed that I was not.
She then informed me that this was a "government issue" and that she was a representative of the US Government.
I said " I realize that, and that means that YOU work for ME."
Here is a snapshot of her facial expressions, in this order.
1. Disbelief.
2. Confusion, as she felt the underpinnings of her world view starting to crumble around her
3. Disdain. That anyone DARED to think this way.
And then it happened, all pretense was dropped as she sat back and fixed me with a baleful, arrogant gaze which
if it were translated to words would have said " OH you're one of THOSE!!"
She then took her note pad and scribbled something on it.
I asked her "What was that you wrote?"
She informed me that it was part of her "personal notes"
I asked her, "Is it relative to my case?"
She said "Yes"
I said" May I see it?
She said "no"
At this point, my CPA gave me a nudge with his foot, but I could see the corners of his mouth turning up.
All said and done, we were clean, and as we were leaving she asked tersely "Is there anything else I can
do for you?"
It was all I could do to stop myself from saying "How about an apology?"
Kali
(55,011 posts)the AZ state Dept of Revenue is another story.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)you didn't write the material in the OP below, yet you act as if you wrote it yourself.
where did it come from? who did you take it from?
Your tax dollars at work.
Here is a list of my personal worst of the worst in federal waste:
Swedish massages for rabbits: $387,000
The National Institutes of Health paid this six figure sum to the National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine in order to discern whether Swedish massages would be helpful in recovering from an illness...
http://betterment.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=761972
SharonAnn
(13,776 posts)Of course, after being audited two years in a row and they determined that I was owed a bigger refund each of those two years, I never heard from them again about an audit.
To be fair, we had two extremely unusual tax years because of international work and moves and I'm sure that the huge discrepancy from previous years "flagged" our tax returns.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)Turbineguy
(37,337 posts)I have a had number of questions over the years. I was audited once. The Lady helped me increase my deductions. Although in the beginning she tried to intimidate me. That did not work. File an honest return. Sleep at night. Audits are no problem.
MissB
(15,810 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Bro.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)as best they can. In addition, let's slam some lady who works there who has not had a raise in five years, who saw her staff reduced by our wonderful Congress, and who is routinely asked to do less with more. Then let's act superior cause we brought our own CPA to the table and anyone who works for the feds must be a dumb ass ... to dumb to start their OWN business.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)in fact, I heard from a Senator's rep. That he worked for the people, thus I worked for him. I replied "No sir, I am an executive branch employee, I serve at the pleasure of the President, not the Legislative Branch. In addition, if I am incompetent or NOT doing my job, that decision will be -- no MUST be made a District Judge. Not YOU!"
For the record, not all of us are general funded. I am project funded.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Then get back to me.
clarice
(5,504 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)E.g. Constituents need a new bridge, Congress appropriates funds, agencies pay me and my engineers a percentage to execute the project. My position only exists when there are sufficient projects to pay for my services. It is the same way Contractors get paid by the government. No project = no work.
This is very different than general funded employees.
clarice
(5,504 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)The OP said she worked for him.
If th story were true, she's heard that statement dozens of times.
Shocked my ass.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)I've dealt with some really shitty tax employees but they were smart enough to avoid partisan mine fields.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)and was not really prepared for it.
Dude could tell the story about how he put some uppity bureaucrat in his place (although who really describes a school janitor as a bureaucrat) From my perspective though, he was being a jerk.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Any time in that sort of job and you've heard it all.
Family law is the worst. People think they have this original new argument that family court hasn't heard eight million times before.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,370 posts)There. That should make the point.
clarice
(5,504 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)it's almost always from the right side of the aisle. Ok, none of us are really thrilled to be paying taxes but it's the price of being somewhat civilized in this country.
You make very good points. My overall impression of the IRS is, as long as you stay calm and work with them pro-actively and are honest in your dealings, you have nothing to worry about. The people who refuse to pay taxes, who refuse to file, who hide income and/or try out some really convoluted reading of the tax code are the ones who have something to worry about. The IRS doesn't routinely go out and kick down doors.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,370 posts)On the other hand, it seems the point of the OP is that she came across an asshole bureaucrat and they are not, in fact, all that rare.
I have respect for most IRS employees, with out a doubt. They do a difficult job in an underfunded agency.
But an asshole is an asshole
steve2470
(37,457 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)i had an experience that ended up taking about 2 weeks of my life full time over a few hundred dollars that they ultimately said i had paid and they were just mistaken. i spent hours and hours on hold and on the phone. finally got to one person who had a brain and got what i was saying who said of course this was not a problem, just go to phone number x, say y, and it will be done. more hours on hold, more hours talking to people who can't understand "I wrote this on line 26 and this on line 27" and reply "we're not talking about line 26 and line 27, we're talking about line 28" (which is the greater of line 26 and line 27). little snide comments "oh, you were really wheeling and dealing, huh?" it was kakfaesque. it was a real eye opener. very stressful, and right when i was in a horrible place physically so all the more difficult. all the while, i was thinking about how this was taking a huge amount of their resources and they were choosing to go after me rather than some billionaire hiding profits in the cayman islands. this incompetence and lack of concern with the public was so prevalent, i am convinced there is a cultural problem with the agency that needs to be fixed. you have to experience it to understand.
TampaAnimusVortex
(785 posts)Always have to bow and scrape to those with power over you eh?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Lots of talk of "personal responsibility", posts on anti-government, tax dollars at work. Makes sure to mention she was a "hippie". It makes me wonder what this is really all about.
Vinca
(50,276 posts)And I love that "you work for me" line. LOL.
clarice
(5,504 posts)nobody else saw the humor in it.
Vinca
(50,276 posts)I remember the miserable bat who did us and it was 20+ years ago. In the end we won and got back about $5,000.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)FYI, and enrolled agent means I can represent people in front of the IRS, I am not an IRS employee.
A lot just want to settle and move on, they really don't care if the taxpayer is correct, they just have a quota to hit.
clarice
(5,504 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,370 posts)the higher the net worth, the more likely the accused is to simply make a counteroffer.
In other words, if you have the means, you can negotiate till the cows come home, and then the cows come home through the right door.
clarice
(5,504 posts)be very hard for a person of modest means to make a counteroffer. nt
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)I've had clients who made a mistake on their taxes (and I honestly believe it was a mistake) and they will make a quick settlement. If the IRS is correct, and the client was wrong, then pay what you are owed and move on.
I've also had a client who the IRS offed a settlement, and the client fought it out of principal. It was on corporate deductions for a somewhat small business. I informed them settling could be cheaper than fighting but they wanted to fight.
I had a meeting with the IRS, and they wanted the paperwork, looking at a folder in my hand said I'll look this over and get back with you. My response: this is my notes. Your paperwork is in my trunk. Do you guys have a dolly I can use.
5 bankers boxes on her desk later she wasn't too happy, but they did call a few months later and dropped the case.
1939
(1,683 posts)Recommend a few overclaims and errors. The IRS guy latches on to the "low hanging fruit", the business pays the taxes due and a penalty, and the IRS guy meets his quota with little work and doesn't drill any deeper..
clarice
(5,504 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)A singer-artist-author named Amanda Palmer. She started with a two-person band called Dresden Dolls then transitioned into a solo career.
She's also married to writer Neil Gaiman; they're about to have their first child.
clarice
(5,504 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)He's the new drummer for my favorite band now which excites me beyond belief. I met him and Brian Ritchie after the Milwaukee show in June. I was so stoked about that. He's amazing with the Femmes and he was remarkable with the Dresden Dolls.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)considering the fairly simple drumwork in the Violent Femmes catalog? You just know he wants to start smashing cymbals like a madman halfway through the show.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)talent.
They're a much different band live and he's really fitting in well with them. He's adorable, kind, breathed news life into the band and even accepted my friend request on Facebook. Ritchie and I have been friends for several years. It always makes me giddy when a childhood idol of 30 years interacts with me on Facebook.
Anyway, your post about the Dresden Dolls reminded me that I've really gained exposure to and appreciation for them since Vig joined the Femmes. I was cautious at first, but I'm a huge fan of his now.
This wasn't the show I was at, but.... Come on.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Thanks for posting that.
clarice
(5,504 posts)We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere's Fan
REP
(21,691 posts)So so much. Thank you.
They have been the soundtrack to my entire life since and I feel an intense connection with them.
madamesilverspurs
(15,805 posts)was about 25 years ago. Went through two years of hellishness that turned out to be due to an error on the part of the nationally famous tax preparation service that USED TO advertise that they'd pay any penalties that resulted from their mistakes. The IRS was far kinder than the company rep who all but bodily threw me out of the office when I sought the promised compensation. My only satisfaction derived from my comments and his surliness being witnessed by a waiting room full of customers, many of whom chose to follow me out the door.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)and I don't necessarily mean just her.
Why do you require her to stand up and greet you? Why do you imagine that your little 'jibe' caused her to feel anything - much less "the underpinnings of her world view starting to crumble around her"?
It sucks that the IRS made a mistake and caused you to lose hours out of your day, but you also sound kind of arrogant. People are often more helpful if you don't treat them badly.
Also, why did you post this on DU?
clarice
(5,504 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)for you to reevaluate who is in charge of this Country. And it ain't THEM.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)and yet seem to think because the woman works for the IRS everyone on DU will cheer you being a jerk to her.
Or maybe you weren't a jerk to her and she was actually rude to you. In which case your 'story telling' abilities might need some polishing.
clarice
(5,504 posts)I've it's always found it inspiring to read the wrathful assessments of the Proletariat.
REP
(21,691 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)I wonder how this person treats service workers.
clarice
(5,504 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)My post was sarcastic.
clarice
(5,504 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I have a tendency to be one myself, but in certain circumstances such as interacting with immigration officials, cops, the TSA, and flight attendants, I resist the temptation. To this list of situations I would add "encounters with IRS agents".
clarice
(5,504 posts)Ever since the 60', I refuse to subjugate myself to ANY unelected Government entity.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and might just inspire her to look over your returns even more carefully out of spite.
Acting subjugated, stroking her ego, and pretending that you think she is important, on the other hand, will probably get you out of there with the minimum of pain and expense.
clarice
(5,504 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)You haven't thought this out.
And probably many other things also.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)and it was by mail. The fearful Gestapo-comparison IRS
They drily informed me in a letter that I had make a mistake on an old tax return, and to send them a check by X date which included the civil penalties for such mistake. After reading and contemplating the letter, it appeared they were correct. At that time I was doing my own taxes, so I'm sure I did make a mistake. I sent them a check for the amount they requested, and the case was closed.
I think this person you mention was only doing her job, which is many times an unpleasant one. It's not her fault the tax code is set up a certain way or that her superiors mandate that she do her job a certain way. Sorry, I'm lacking sympathy for you here.
clarice
(5,504 posts)intimating a power level that is not of your ranking is another.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)Spoken like a true elitist.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Go clean your room and let the grownups talk.
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)how you treat your servants.
And the grownups mostly call me "Gramps."
clarice
(5,504 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)The weird thing is too sometimes they will do the opposite.
I once got a check from there with a letter saying I could take the earned income credit, so they redid my return and gave back the difference.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)of photography in human history. I haven't laughed that hard in days.
clarice
(5,504 posts)I had him pictured so much differently. Oh well," once you go goat...that's all she wrote"
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)vanlassie
(5,675 posts)I worked in Collections. My boss always always used to say "Don't forget who is paying our salary!" She was a great boss and a great person.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)That being said, being a front-line public-serving IRS employee has to be one of the nastiest and most thankless jobs there are. It's not their fault the tax code is messed up or that Congress voted a certain way. So many don't want to pay any taxes, period. It's good you survived your time there.
clarice
(5,504 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but, in my experience, that "You work for me" never makes things better. Actually, government workers are, as much self-employed, as they work for you ... sense they pay taxes, too! (Well, some of them!)
clarice
(5,504 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Arguably the closest thing you can say is that she works for us.
Which means you don't get special treatment.
Nor do you get to suggest that be because she is paid by taxpayer dollars that she should read the tax laws any differently in your case.
clarice
(5,504 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)And despite that, most people here think you sound like the jerk.
Imagine that?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)This OP reminded me of another one that--stunningly--used a conservative piece without citing the conservative source or even acknowledging that when called on it:
http://betterment.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=761972
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)pretty sneaky that they posted something from a conservative news source/Senator Inhofe, but tried to hide that fact by posting a long quote without any link or attribution.
clarice
(5,504 posts)but I never expected it from you......that one cut me deeply.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)1939
(1,683 posts)Back when I was getting started in life and had made a few savings, I had invested in a few mutual funds (learning how bad that can be). At any rate, one of the funds sent me a 1099 one year for like $18.56 and the next year one for like $21.80. Being a good little citizen, I reported each on my income tax for the appropriate year. A year or so after the second year, the IRS wanted to knw why i hadn't reported the $18.56 for the second year (maybe the 1099 got there late). They wanted the $5.00 or so tax on the tax unpaid $18.56 plus penalty and interest with dire threats if i didn't pay up like RIGHT NOW. At the time, I was on active duty with the Army with access to a government xerox machine. I xeroxed both years tax returns and circled the entrees. I also xeroxed both 1099 and wrote a long letter (on govt time) typed by my secretary on govt time. I was very pollite in the letter and showed them how they were in error. I then got back another letter which regurgitate everything that i had written and said that they were graciously excusing me from paying the $5 plus penalty and interest. I wonder how much all of that cost the govt?
clarice
(5,504 posts)If it were me, and I realized that you were in the Military, that whole file would have ended up in file 13. lol
brer cat
(24,572 posts)and then describe how you converted government assets for your personal use? It is a nice touch that you were polite.
1939
(1,683 posts)I got to work at 0700 for the "morning standup" and didn't leave till 1730 or 1800 everyday (plus half day Saturday) though of course, i was being paid for 24/7 availability.
brer cat
(24,572 posts)The hours you worked is irrelevant to your previous post. You chose to share with us that you used government assets for personal use. If you were expecting high-fives for doing so, maybe someone else will come along who thinks that was a very clever thing to do.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)KT2000
(20,581 posts)employees of the US government are not YOUR employees nor are they your slaves.
I think you both had attitudes.
clarice
(5,504 posts)KT2000
(20,581 posts)by the US government. They answer to their superiors - not you. You can not give them raises, fire them, approve vacations etc. You are the consumer. If you have a complaint you can discuss it with their supervisors or write your congressperson.
You think the IRS woman has never heard that comment before? I doubt her world view crumbled. That is an old saw people use to "put people in their place" and it is rude and arrogant.
Anyway - I am pretty sure your tax dollars went to the defense budget.
And BTW - If you make purchases at a store that does not mean the employees there work for you either.
Last comment - your story made me ill.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)it's the same sort of assholish behavior I was on the receiving end of when I worked retail.
KT2000
(20,581 posts)is eye-opening and difficult - some people can really be assholes to other people.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)to take it out on someone else.
clarice
(5,504 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)Seems you could lighten up a bit...
clarice
(5,504 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I have been watching this all night after my tirade. This is some kind of ego thing.
clarice
(5,504 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)To obey one of your orders?
Or do you just try that stuff on people sitting at desks?
clarice
(5,504 posts)or do you consider all Government bureaucrats your family??? hmmmmm?
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)income to file, is not having to file. Then I got a letter asking where my filing was.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Texasgal
(17,045 posts)in this thread.
My own issues with government workers stems from the absolute complete worst of the worst. SSDI. Good luck trying to find someone in that agency that is somewhat kind. I seriously have never come across any other agency that is as rude and downright insulting than them.
Shit, Is it shocking that a government worker is an asshole?
UGH!
clarice
(5,504 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)When my claim came up for routine review, the SSA made a pretty serious mistake - they lost my paperwork. I had date-stamped copies, thanks be, but to get this resolved, I had to go to my local SSA office quite often. While it took four years and a hearing, because they weren't sure how to else to resolve their error - absolutely everyone I dealt with could not have been nicer, more apologetic for the screw-up or the havoc it was causing, even though a number of those people didn't actually achieve anything. When I finally did get the Office Superstar, she was not only apologetic, she kicked some mighty ass that was obvious in 48 hours.
So I definitely agree there are some major, major problems with the SSA but every time I've had to speak with an SSA employee about my SSDI, the rep has been professional, polite and friendly. That might've been the only break I caught in an epic series of fuckups!
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)First was an audit (later figured it was triggered by my ex-husband's new wife who resented paying child support). I made a pittance at the time, no investments, no deductions. It was pretty straight-forward and I wound up being charged an extra $50 -- I wrote a check.
The second time was a bit more interesting. I already received my tax refund but the audit was triggered by a mistake I made in filing the tax return. I listed my daughter as a dependent although she was working at the time and I was not entitled to claim her. Although I listed her by name, I make the correct calculation of taxes based on her NOT being a dependent (forgot to remove her name). The IRS, seeing that the facts/figures disagreed, sent me a check for an amount calculating her as a dependent. I returned the check with a note saying that I made a mistake in listing her name, but that the amount I paid was correct. They sent the check back. I returned it. They sent it back. This time I returned it with a note outlining how I was right in returning it, listing the dates of the letters in which I attempted to return their money which was sent to me in error. I finished by saying that if they returned the amount AGAIN, I would consider it a gift and cash the check. In received a HAND-WRITTEN note from the IRS apologizing for their error and thanking me for being honest. I figure there's a gold star next to my name and I'll never be audited again. LOL
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)It would have been along the lines of: 'I just struck the 500th unoriginal taxpayer who seems to think I'm their personal servant because they're taxes pay my salary. After demanding i fawn and grovel at their feet because they're just so awesome, I sat with my colleagues in the lunchroom and warned them that if they're to vent about what an arrogant pain in the arse this person is that they must NEVER do it by email because if said pain in the arse makes an FOI request pain in the arses servants would be doomed to a future of inquiries and appearances before commissions, and worst of all they will never be able to refuse to rise to their feet when meeting and greeting their millions of other employers
Btw. Totally riveting story. I'd like to think the cabbie I met who approached me with a similar level of arrogance wrote a post somewhere with some fictional high drama about how my whole world crumbled when he labelled me a bureaucrat and informed me he was my employer
clarice
(5,504 posts)former9thward
(32,016 posts)Both over stock sales. Both times the employees thought that you bought stock for free so when you sold it the entire amount was subject to capital gains. Both times the IRS ended giving me more money back because I had not bothered to take deductions that I could have taken if I wanted to take the time to do it. They are not very competent in tax law.
betsuni
(25,537 posts)I find referring to a woman as a "lady" strange, unless one is a child, referring to English aristocracy, or suggesting someone is not in possession of all her marbles: "Hey lady!" I don't know, alarm bells start going off in my head. (Takes out note pad and scribbles something in it.)
clarice
(5,504 posts)Constantly Offended Syndrome.
REP
(21,691 posts)Knows How Words Work. Don't worry - I'm sure you're immune!
clarice
(5,504 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I think the suffers of that particular syndrome often out themselves by saying," It was all I could do to stop myself from saying "How about an apology?"
The virus is easily caught by holding others to a higher standard than themselves, and the symptoms are rationalizing their demand of respect by others over that of earning it.
(space freely provided below to attempt justification...)
clarice
(5,504 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)I always think of Jerry Lewis, "HEY LADY!" and then it I get the giggles.
TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)I'd have been pretty God Damn unhappy. Do you tell the police you work for me? Do you tell your waitress "you're my servant. Do as I say!"? That's some republican smarmy bs and is not what anyone with an "open mind" would say. Sorry but I can't stand it when people act so superior to someone who works for the government. How about just explaining what the mistake was?
clarice
(5,504 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)I'm pretty sure you don't know what that word means.
What a story ...
kcr
(15,317 posts)Baleful, arrogant gaze... Brilliant. She was no match for you. "YOU work for ME" Wow. I bet the look on her face was priceless. There's no way anyone had ever said that before you came along, for sure.
Really, this was gold. I'm sure there must be other stories you can tell. This can't be the only one. You're such an original thinker. Please, go on. Any more gems, like, "as she felt the underpinnings of her world view starting to crumble around her" I have to have more. Pure entertainment.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Once upon a time, there lived a jester in the Court of King Rasmus. The jester hated his station in life, but was unwilling or unable
to correct his situation. Instead, he hid behind a facade of unrelenting sarcasm and insolence to cover his true mien. He enjoyed
tormenting his betters with scathing, bitter remarks. At first, the King enjoyed his jester and found an almost perverse pleasure
in watching his court writhe and blush under the jester's cruel taunts.
One day the King, tiring of his jester's malevolence, took his jester and threw him in the moat to be consumed by alligator gars
and nutria rats. This gladdened the hearts of the court and their subjects, and everyone lived happily ever after.
kcr
(15,317 posts)But you came across as an entitled jerk in your OP. It's clear I'm not the only one who noticed it. I'm not sure why you thought you'd expected sympathy on a liberal board with the attitude it seemed to convey. If that wasn't what you intended, maybe you should explain.
ETA never mind. Just saw post number 153. You're not as clever as you think you are.
clarice
(5,504 posts)So if I understand this correctly...in order to be considered a TRUE Liberal....then it necessitates a love for the IRS?
But the type of disdain you were showing in your OP is classic with conservatives.
clarice
(5,504 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)Funny though how I only ever seem to see liberals and dems who have them on message boards like DU, where they'll get kicked off if they admit their true political leanings. Isn't that strange?
clarice
(5,504 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)How very strange...
clarice
(5,504 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)Are you a super secret double naught spy?
Facility Inspector
(615 posts)to greet someone on your feet when in formal/business circumstances.
Response to Facility Inspector (Reply #149)
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dembotoz
(16,806 posts)Due to vaca,sick and staff reductions they had 2 that's right 2 folks doing costumer service in Milwaukee Wisconsin.
2 poor way overworked slebs trying to get thru the day.
Security starts handing out numbers at 6 am. The doors open at 9.
Needed to get transcripts for my kids school loans cause my kid managed to screw it up like only he can. So no heavy lifting. Type in the soc numbers and hit print... The agent I dealt with was gracious and nice and from the looks of her overworked to the point that I worry if she would stroke before the weekend.
Used to b able to get transcripts via online but that got hacked so now it is order by phone which takes a few days or in person.
Don't look like they added more folks to deal with walk-in traffic
merrily
(45,251 posts)Response to clarice (Original post)
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treestar
(82,383 posts)there are challenges to the government's actions every day.
There are procedures to use if you don't agree with a first initial determination of any kind.
there are plenty of grey areas. You don't tell us the issue of law, so we don't know how to evaluate your claims to being in the right. Did she find in your favor?