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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMid 80's today, my chocolate lab was happily chasing his ball...
Maybe a few more throws than usual, but normally he stops dropping the ball at my feet when he is done. We go inside, give him ice cubes as usual after playing and then he walks over and bumps into his water bowl, twice. Odd, I think.... But not too worried. Then he staggers and walks sideways, now I am scared.
Then he falls over & lands on his side, head lolling... Unable to stand. I grab mixing bowl and fill it with ice and water, toss is over him repeatedly, wood floor be damned. When he can stand i get him in the shower. He lays down, cold water pouring down on him. Ice water to drink.
Call the vet. Have I mentioned that I love this fur beast? Drive him to the vet with the car AC blasting full tilt on his wet fur. About halfway there he starts looking ok.
Totally terrifying. Vet says he is okay, keep checking his skin and gums every hour to make sure he isn't bleeding.
Dodged a bullet tonight. Very grateful that our beloved baby is okay. Such a sweet beast, scared me almost to death, especially since he weighs almost 70 pounds and I cannot pick him up.
Very grateful Jake is ok.
dsc
(52,162 posts)80's aren't that hot. I hope there isn't an underlying issue.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)And the vet who saw him said he will fill in our usual vet (it was his day off)
tblue37
(65,393 posts)efficiently as we do. Also, they play so exuberantly that they can build up quite a lot of heat while the person tossing the ball is only mildly exerting himself. Mid-eighties is probably significantly hotter for an enthusiastically playing dog than it is for a human being.
dsc
(52,162 posts)guess he should be grateful that I abhor heat so much. I took him for several short walks each day this summer instead of any long ones but it was as much for me as for him if I am being honest.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Good job getting him to the vet right away. Sounds like he was having a neurological reaction of some kind.
Feel better, Jake!
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Which could mean a clotting/bleed problem that sometimes happens in heat stroke for dogs....
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)But I will take it, no worries, if my Jakie is okay! We had done poly on them, but when he was younger his toenails ripped it up. So now we just wax.
I will consider the stains a "rustic" look, LOL!
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)His cousins send best wishes for a speedy recovery
Dogs are the ultimate life enhancement and our guides to a better understanding of the human journey:
peacebird
(14,195 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You are so lucky!
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Labs are overbred, and one stud, who had EIC was bred literally thousands of times before it became well known he threw EIC in his pups. It is why I am a fan of the FCI system where studs may only have six litters a year.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)At duck hunting events.... (Obviously I know nothing about the awards, our son initially bought the puppy)
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)They test for it now. There were some studs that were heavily bred, Ebonstar's Lean Mac being one of them, that they believe were carriers. There were others. It is one of the reasons I got out of labs. Too many health problems, too much $$ involved, too many corrupt dogmen.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Thank you!
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Like she was throwing a tantrum.
She was diagnosed as diabetic.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Don't know when the problem started.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)He INHALES water like it's going out of style.
I'm pre-diabetic (despite overhauling my diet by restricting carbs. Sadly, it runs in my family and I had gestational diabetes). I know excessive thirst is a symptom.
Maybe your dog was overly thirsty and was banging the dish for more water?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)who said their dog had been diagnosed with diabetes. Sorry! Wasn't trying to hijack your thread.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)You just have to monitor their behavior. It is devastating for a field trial dog, but not that big a deal for a house pet. If it is not EIC and was just heat exhaustion, please remember your dog is physically bred to handle water at 32 degrees in a snowstorm. IT is damned hard to freeze a dog to death but pretty easy to kill one from the heat. Every dove season opener we would hear of dogs dying from the heat.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)He is (at 5 1/2years) still a puppy.
I guess now I will have to monitor his play time instead of letting him tell me when he is done.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Dr. Tinycat recommends extra hugs and kisses.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)for almost ten years now. But she was my soul mate and when she went (thankfully, quickly) it was one of the hardest things I've ever lived through. I'm crying as I type this.
I am so glad your guy is OK...heat can be devastating...but you need to be so careful now...you need to treat him like a prince.
How old is Jake?
I wish you many more years with him. I've had many super and special dogs, but I'll never have another quite like my chocolate girl.
You dodged a bullet tonight, my friend.
tblue37
(65,393 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)He is SUCH a sweet soul, so utterly loving and gentle. We stopped giving him commercial feed three months ago because the last bag made him throw up... Funny, since cooking real food for him for three months his coat is better, no more 'dandruff', and he has more energy!
We love this beast so much, and spoil him rotten! He will be watched very carefully in the coming weeks, and we will no longer trust HIM to tell us when he is 'done'.
We are very grateful that we dodged that bullet tonight, and we will NOT take for granted the gift we were given!
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Lost my girl 30 years ago. I've never gotten over her death. So, any time I hear of something happening to one of these precious creatures, I choke up.
But the good news is that I have a 4mo Lab puppy sitting next to me.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)She's a typical puppy -- curious and into everything. I felt too sorry for her when we brought her home because she missed her litter mates and her mom, sooo I slept with her on the sofa for..uh...a whole month! And so it seems that I missed the window for crating her. She now refuses to stay in her crate. Yup, I've spoiled her rotten.
She's a yellow girl, just like our first Lab. DH and I got her from DUer MiniMe who was her foster mom in Lab Rescue (LRCP). See this thread (Missy is the darker yellow kid with the pink collar): http://www.democraticunderground.com/116122860
She's helping me tremendously in getting over a great sadness that happened some months ago. They bring such joy and love, as you well know. You just cannot have a big ole sad when you've a Lab puppy following you from room to room with a cold, wet nose nudging your leg. I hope Missy becomes as telepathic as our Kellie was. She really was.
So, Peacebird, I know what your guy means to you. And he's so lucky he has you for his mom to take care of him.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)was diagnosed. Very scary.
tblue37
(65,393 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)Glad he's okay.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)C Moon
(12,213 posts)it was 87 degrees out.
When they got home, I had a bowl of ice water ready, and she was lying on her side panting (my dog, not my wife), so I pulled out an ice pack and put it on her. She gave me a strange look and licked it a few timeswe had the AC on, it was cool in the house.
Thanks for the heads up, though. I don't think we consider dogs can get over heated from exercise, too.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Can you post a picture of Jake?
My grandfather had a Bluetick Hound named Jake who was such a sweetie.
My own hound is a big sweet baby, himself. All my dogs are (I have four), but the hound is the BIGGEST baby and he's at least 45 pounds. He tries to lay on my like a little dog (and I'm a small person of about 5'1" . LOL.
Would love to see a pic of Jake.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Like this one: http://postimage.org/
Upload a pic from my phone or computer and then post the link it gives me on DU or where ever.
peacebird
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Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)My very first dog was a lab/cocker mix (sounds weird, but he really just looked like a short lab).
Give him kisses from me. He doesn't know me, but I'm sure he'll appreciate it!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)she was a beauty. The last night of her life, I was eating pizza and she was looking at me, not begging, but wanting a piece. I thought she was getting a little fat, but gave her a couple of pieces of pepperoni anyway, thinking I'll put her on a diet tomorrow. The next day, she was hit by a speeding driver, right in front of our house. So glad I gave in to her the night before.
Hope your boy gives you many more years. They are absolutely the best dogs in the world, and I love all my dogs.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)But if my Jake is a true example, then chocolates are truly the best. He is a total sweetheart.
tblue37
(65,393 posts)EXERCISE INDUCED COLLAPSE IN LABRADOR RETRIEVERS AND RELATED BREEDS
Updated November 21, 2014
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A comprehensive investigation of EIC in Labrador Retrievers has been ongoing for nearly a decade, involving investigators from the University of Minnesota (EE Patterson, JR Mickelson, KM Minor), the University of Saskatchewan (SM Taylor, CL Shmon), and the Comparative Neuromuscular Unit at the University of California (GD Shelton). The objectives of this research have been to (1) describe the syndrome so that it can be recognized by dog owners, veterinarians and trainers, (2) to thoroughly evaluate affected dogs to try to establish an efficient means of diagnosis and to gain some insight into the cause of collapse, (3) to determine the mode of inheritance and the genetic basis for EIC and (4) to develop a DNA test for the condition.
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WHO GETS IT?
The syndrome of exercise intolerance and collapse (EIC) is a common inherited disorder in Labrador Retrievers. Black, yellow and chocolate Labradors of both sexes are affected, with the distribution of colors and sexes closely reflecting the typical distribution in field trials (black males most common). Signs first become apparent in young dogs - usually between 5 months and 3 years of age (average 14 months). In dogs used for field trials, this usually coincides with the age at which they enter heavy training. Littermates and other related dogs are commonly affected but depending on their temperament and lifestyle they may or may not manifest symptoms. Affected dogs exhibiting symptoms of collapse are usually described as being extremely fit, muscular, prime athletic specimens of their breed with an excitable temperament and lots of drive.
{SNIP} (The omitted paragraph lists breeds besides Labs that are susceptible.)
HOW COMMON IS IT?
(EIC is the most common reason for exercise/excitement induced collapse in young, apparently healthy Labrador Retrievers.)
EIC is common in Labrador Retrievers, and now that we have identified the mutation we can test for the condition. Current data shows that 30% to 40% of Labradors are carriers (with one copy of the mutation) and 3% to 13% of dogs are affected (with 2 copies) and susceptible to collapse (emphasis added). The percentage of affected dogs varies with the populations of dogs being tested, and the reason for testing. The prevalence does not seem to be very different between field trial/hunt test dogs, show dogs and pet dogs. Most (>80%) affected Labradors (E/E: 2 copies of the mutation) experience at least one episode of collapse by the time they are 4 years of age. A few genetically affected (E/E) dogs never exhibit collapse, perhaps because they do not engage in the required strenuous activity with extreme excitement as required to produce collapse. DNA testing is the only way to know for certain whether a dog has EIC.
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Type of Exercise: Routine exercise like jogging, hiking, swimming, most waterfowl hunting and even agility or flyball training are not very likely to induce an episode in dogs with EIC. Activities with continuous intense exercise, particularly if accompanied by a high level of excitement or anxiety most commonly cause collapse. Activities commonly implicated include grouse or pheasant hunting, repetitive "happy retrieves", retrieving drills or repetition of difficult marks or blinds where the dog is being repeatedly corrected or is anticipating electric collar correction, and excitedly running alongside an ATV (emphasis added).
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If the test does indicate EIC, you will need to be very careful when playing with him from now on.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)2theleft
(1,136 posts)I'm so glad he is ok. I would have been terrified. Quick thinking on your part with the water and the shower. I worry a ton about my two and walking in the heat. Try to do it early in the morning and then later in the evening, but even then, I am constantly watching, especially my boxer with her short snout. I'm glad you told me the symptoms - I will be super observant.
Lots of snuggles for Jake, and a few from me. The pups are the best of us - all that love and just awesomeness is furry packages.
peacebird
(14,195 posts):hugs:
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Particularly when you're on a walk and you run out of water.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Once one of my dogs got heat exhaustion during a walk, and I had to stand in the parking lot of a CVS with all four of my dogs and ask people if they could go inside and buy a gallon of water.
This past Sunday we tried to take a walk before it got too hot, but my dog again got exhausted. (He's an old man at 11.) Fortunately, we rested for a bit and then went to the bar a block away, where I got the water bottle refilled (and got a Jackie O's Mandala Mosaic IPA for myself.)
dougolat
(716 posts)...Belgian Sheepdog/Golden Retriever cross.
In the hot weather, I put a wading pool out in the yard in the general area that we usually throw to, and they take a quick dip on the return trip fairly often.
This year I switched from the flimsy lite plastic kiddie play pools (because they break so easily) to one of those heavier plastic sand-boxes that look like a turtle (yard sale -$5!) and it handles the weekly water change and scrub-out so much better.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I will look for one of those turtles! That would definitely hold up under the Jakester!
niyad
(113,329 posts)on their way. please keep us posted.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)As a Lab owner myself, I thank you so much for this thread.
To all who cherish their furkids --->
Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)My dog was staggering, falling over, scaring me to death, (this was off and on) and turns out she has Addison's disease. They also consume LOADS of water and pee gallons. There is a characteristic electrolyte panel: low sodium and high potassium which can also be attributed to dehydration. Just saying, might want to mention it. BTW, Addison's is very treatable. There is a monthly shot of Percorten and very small daily doses of prednisone and she's super healthy now.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I will be asking our vet many questions......
Omaha Steve
(99,655 posts)We lost Bear a Saint mix to that in the late 80's. His first symptom was Christmas day.
K&R!
OS
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am so glad he's better now - Labs are the best dogs. I grew up with them, black and yellow, but I love chocolate labs too. Kisses to your little Jake!
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)don't handle the heat well - my boxer didn't. I'm so glad Jake is better. Labs are beautiful dogs.
Our neighbor has a black lab that I call bandit because he is a terrible thief. I had new porch furniture with pillows on them and three went missing. We put our driveway alarm on the porch afraid that teenagers were the culprits. The next night the alarm went off and we both raced to the front door. We threw the door open and the lab was standing there wagging his tail. It was hysterically funny. I still laugh about it and it was two years ago.
His owners knew what he was doing but never bothered to ask the neighbors if they were missing stuff which a number of us were. He especially liked stealing solar pathway lights. Anyway, it turned out okay. My husband confronted the lab's owner who had two of our three pillows neither of which were torn or dirty. The best thing was the owners started spending time with bandit, trained him, and he stays in his yard. I wish we could have him come over to play like he did before, but it's too expensive. He tore our pathway lights that weren't solar lights but electric lights out of the ground and he could have gotten electrocuted.
I still laugh at him being the thief we all thought were teenagers being jerks.
He's a beautiful dog and sweet as a dog can be - he's just a thief. LOL
You took good care of Jake. Glad he is okay. By-the-way, he is beautiful.