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peacebird

(14,195 posts)
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 07:54 PM Aug 2015

Mid 80's today, my chocolate lab was happily chasing his ball...

Maybe a few more throws than usual, but normally he stops dropping the ball at my feet when he is done. We go inside, give him ice cubes as usual after playing and then he walks over and bumps into his water bowl, twice. Odd, I think.... But not too worried. Then he staggers and walks sideways, now I am scared.
Then he falls over & lands on his side, head lolling... Unable to stand. I grab mixing bowl and fill it with ice and water, toss is over him repeatedly, wood floor be damned. When he can stand i get him in the shower. He lays down, cold water pouring down on him. Ice water to drink.
Call the vet. Have I mentioned that I love this fur beast? Drive him to the vet with the car AC blasting full tilt on his wet fur. About halfway there he starts looking ok.
Totally terrifying. Vet says he is okay, keep checking his skin and gums every hour to make sure he isn't bleeding.
Dodged a bullet tonight. Very grateful that our beloved baby is okay. Such a sweet beast, scared me almost to death, especially since he weighs almost 70 pounds and I cannot pick him up.
Very grateful Jake is ok.

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Mid 80's today, my chocolate lab was happily chasing his ball... (Original Post) peacebird Aug 2015 OP
wow that is scary dsc Aug 2015 #1
Me too, his yearly visit is monday peacebird Aug 2015 #3
Unlike us, dogs sweat only through their tongue and paws, so they can't cool their bodies as tblue37 Aug 2015 #27
true but I think of my poor dog in our 90's and 100's dsc Aug 2015 #30
If it was just heat exhaustion, he should recover well. DirkGently Aug 2015 #2
Thank you! Jake always stops dropping the ball when he is 'done', so today was a shocker peacebird Aug 2015 #4
poor thing. glad he is doing better. Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #5
Me too. We are checking his gums and the skin near his genitals to make sure no red spots appear peacebird Aug 2015 #6
and your wood floors? Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #7
: ) They simply don't matter as much as my 5 yo puppy! It does appear there is some staining peacebird Aug 2015 #8
.. Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #9
real scarey GreatGazoo Aug 2015 #10
Sweet faces! How old are they? peacebird Aug 2015 #11
thanks. they turned 5 in June GreatGazoo Aug 2015 #17
Jake turned 5 last December! peacebird Aug 2015 #18
Awwww! They are beautiful! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #60
It could be EIC Drahthaardogs Aug 2015 #12
What is EIC? Our lab has duck hunting lineage, his grandmother was the first chocolate to win awards peacebird Aug 2015 #13
Exercise Induced Collapse Drahthaardogs Aug 2015 #14
jakes yearly is monday, I will ask our vet to test for it. peacebird Aug 2015 #15
My dog used to bang her water dish mainstreetonce Aug 2015 #16
Interesting. Was it always? This was Jake's first time. peacebird Aug 2015 #19
She was old when she was diagnosed. mainstreetonce Aug 2015 #38
I think my cocker is diabetic. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #28
No, he literally fell over and could not stand up.... It was heat exhaustion... peacebird Aug 2015 #32
Oh - I was replying to someone else above Fawke Em Aug 2015 #43
No worries at all! (I didn't even know dogs could get diabetes..... ) peacebird Aug 2015 #63
IF it is EIC, it is not the end of the world Drahthaardogs Aug 2015 #37
Thank you! Jake is known as Mr Exuberance at the vets office, if that gives you an idea about him peacebird Aug 2015 #39
Oh boy! shenmue Aug 2015 #20
Trust me, many higs and kisses have been given... And extra cookies as well.... : ) peacebird Aug 2015 #34
Yes shenmue Aug 2015 #35
OH Fuck..this just scared the shit out of me and my chocolate baby has been gone passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #21
In post #18 above she says he turned 5 last December. nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #23
He is five, will be six in December. He is my first dog, and I am totally in love with him. peacebird Aug 2015 #29
Crying here too. Duppers Aug 2015 #45
Congrats on the baby pup! peacebird Aug 2015 #64
Thank you! Duppers Aug 2015 #67
Sounds like what one of my doggies did. It happened several times before congestive heart failure lonestarnot Aug 2015 #53
Oh, my. I am so glad he is OK now. Scary, scary close call. Time to cuddle my 4 cats! nt tblue37 Aug 2015 #22
Wow! Scary, indeed! Were you right, was it the heat? C Moon Aug 2015 #24
The vet thinks so, but we will have him tested at his yearly appt on monday to be sure it isn't EIC peacebird Aug 2015 #31
I had read this while my wife took our pup (the best living thing in the world) on a walk... C Moon Aug 2015 #59
Very glad Jake is OK! Fawke Em Aug 2015 #25
Wish I could, but not sure how? peacebird Aug 2015 #40
I go to a free image hosting site. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #44
Here goes... peacebird Aug 2015 #46
What a cutie pie! Fawke Em Aug 2015 #55
Woof woof.....dog language for be well. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #26
Best dog I ever had was a chocolate lab.. mountain grammy Aug 2015 #33
So sorry for your loss..... : ( peacebird Aug 2015 #36
I found a good link for you about EIC: tblue37 Aug 2015 #41
Thank you!!! peacebird Aug 2015 #47
Oh my gosh! 2theleft Aug 2015 #42
Love to your two as well! peacebird Aug 2015 #48
Heat exhaustion is a scary thing. OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #49
That would be terrifying! Fortunately we were home & able to get Jake ice, water, & cold shower! peacebird Aug 2015 #50
It is terrifying. OnyxCollie Aug 2015 #52
My two look like labs, but they're not... dougolat Aug 2015 #51
Jake had a wading pool too, but it was too flimsy to withstand his bounciness... peacebird Aug 2015 #65
oh my, how scary. so glad to hear that he is doing better. lots of prayers and good thoughts niyad Aug 2015 #54
So glad you saved Jake! Duppers Aug 2015 #56
Just to throw this out there... Laffy Kat Aug 2015 #57
Wow. Thank you for letting me know about that! Jake goes for his yearly physical on Monday peacebird Aug 2015 #66
Enlarged heart? Omaha Steve Aug 2015 #58
Poor little angel! smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #61
Big dogs often ohheckyeah Aug 2015 #62

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
3. Me too, his yearly visit is monday
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:01 PM
Aug 2015

And the vet who saw him said he will fill in our usual vet (it was his day off)

tblue37

(65,393 posts)
27. Unlike us, dogs sweat only through their tongue and paws, so they can't cool their bodies as
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:17 PM
Aug 2015

efficiently as we do. Also, they play so exuberantly that they can build up quite a lot of heat while the person tossing the ball is only mildly exerting himself. Mid-eighties is probably significantly hotter for an enthusiastically playing dog than it is for a human being.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
30. true but I think of my poor dog in our 90's and 100's
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:19 PM
Aug 2015

guess he should be grateful that I abhor heat so much. I took him for several short walks each day this summer instead of any long ones but it was as much for me as for him if I am being honest.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
2. If it was just heat exhaustion, he should recover well.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 07:59 PM
Aug 2015

Good job getting him to the vet right away. Sounds like he was having a neurological reaction of some kind.

Feel better, Jake!

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
6. Me too. We are checking his gums and the skin near his genitals to make sure no red spots appear
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:04 PM
Aug 2015

Which could mean a clotting/bleed problem that sometimes happens in heat stroke for dogs....

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
8. : ) They simply don't matter as much as my 5 yo puppy! It does appear there is some staining
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:07 PM
Aug 2015

But I will take it, no worries, if my Jakie is okay! We had done poly on them, but when he was younger his toenails ripped it up. So now we just wax.
I will consider the stains a "rustic" look, LOL!

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
10. real scarey
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:22 PM
Aug 2015

His cousins send best wishes for a speedy recovery



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Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
12. It could be EIC
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:34 PM
Aug 2015

Labs are overbred, and one stud, who had EIC was bred literally thousands of times before it became well known he threw EIC in his pups. It is why I am a fan of the FCI system where studs may only have six litters a year.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
13. What is EIC? Our lab has duck hunting lineage, his grandmother was the first chocolate to win awards
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:40 PM
Aug 2015

At duck hunting events.... (Obviously I know nothing about the awards, our son initially bought the puppy)

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
14. Exercise Induced Collapse
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 08:44 PM
Aug 2015

They test for it now. There were some studs that were heavily bred, Ebonstar's Lean Mac being one of them, that they believe were carriers. There were others. It is one of the reasons I got out of labs. Too many health problems, too much $$ involved, too many corrupt dogmen.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
28. I think my cocker is diabetic.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:18 PM
Aug 2015

He INHALES water like it's going out of style.

I'm pre-diabetic (despite overhauling my diet by restricting carbs. Sadly, it runs in my family and I had gestational diabetes). I know excessive thirst is a symptom.

Maybe your dog was overly thirsty and was banging the dish for more water?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
43. Oh - I was replying to someone else above
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:45 PM
Aug 2015

who said their dog had been diagnosed with diabetes. Sorry! Wasn't trying to hijack your thread.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
37. IF it is EIC, it is not the end of the world
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:29 PM
Aug 2015

You just have to monitor their behavior. It is devastating for a field trial dog, but not that big a deal for a house pet. If it is not EIC and was just heat exhaustion, please remember your dog is physically bred to handle water at 32 degrees in a snowstorm. IT is damned hard to freeze a dog to death but pretty easy to kill one from the heat. Every dove season opener we would hear of dogs dying from the heat.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
39. Thank you! Jake is known as Mr Exuberance at the vets office, if that gives you an idea about him
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:35 PM
Aug 2015

He is (at 5 1/2years) still a puppy.
I guess now I will have to monitor his play time instead of letting him tell me when he is done.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
21. OH Fuck..this just scared the shit out of me and my chocolate baby has been gone
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:07 PM
Aug 2015

for almost ten years now. But she was my soul mate and when she went (thankfully, quickly) it was one of the hardest things I've ever lived through. I'm crying as I type this.

I am so glad your guy is OK...heat can be devastating...but you need to be so careful now...you need to treat him like a prince.

How old is Jake?

I wish you many more years with him. I've had many super and special dogs, but I'll never have another quite like my chocolate girl.

You dodged a bullet tonight, my friend.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
29. He is five, will be six in December. He is my first dog, and I am totally in love with him.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:18 PM
Aug 2015

He is SUCH a sweet soul, so utterly loving and gentle. We stopped giving him commercial feed three months ago because the last bag made him throw up... Funny, since cooking real food for him for three months his coat is better, no more 'dandruff', and he has more energy!
We love this beast so much, and spoil him rotten! He will be watched very carefully in the coming weeks, and we will no longer trust HIM to tell us when he is 'done'.
We are very grateful that we dodged that bullet tonight, and we will NOT take for granted the gift we were given!

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
45. Crying here too.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:48 PM
Aug 2015

Lost my girl 30 years ago. I've never gotten over her death. So, any time I hear of something happening to one of these precious creatures, I choke up.
But the good news is that I have a 4mo Lab puppy sitting next to me.


Duppers

(28,125 posts)
67. Thank you!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:14 AM
Aug 2015

She's a typical puppy -- curious and into everything. I felt too sorry for her when we brought her home because she missed her litter mates and her mom, sooo I slept with her on the sofa for..uh...a whole month! And so it seems that I missed the window for crating her. She now refuses to stay in her crate. Yup, I've spoiled her rotten.

She's a yellow girl, just like our first Lab. DH and I got her from DUer MiniMe who was her foster mom in Lab Rescue (LRCP). See this thread (Missy is the darker yellow kid with the pink collar): http://www.democraticunderground.com/116122860

She's helping me tremendously in getting over a great sadness that happened some months ago. They bring such joy and love, as you well know. You just cannot have a big ole sad when you've a Lab puppy following you from room to room with a cold, wet nose nudging your leg. I hope Missy becomes as telepathic as our Kellie was. She really was.

So, Peacebird, I know what your guy means to you. And he's so lucky he has you for his mom to take care of him.



 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
53. Sounds like what one of my doggies did. It happened several times before congestive heart failure
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:38 PM
Aug 2015

was diagnosed. Very scary.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
31. The vet thinks so, but we will have him tested at his yearly appt on monday to be sure it isn't EIC
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:20 PM
Aug 2015

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
59. I had read this while my wife took our pup (the best living thing in the world) on a walk...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:14 AM
Aug 2015

it was 87 degrees out.
When they got home, I had a bowl of ice water ready, and she was lying on her side panting (my dog, not my wife), so I pulled out an ice pack and put it on her. She gave me a strange look and licked it a few times—we had the AC on, it was cool in the house.
Thanks for the heads up, though. I don't think we consider dogs can get over heated from exercise, too.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
25. Very glad Jake is OK!
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:15 PM
Aug 2015

Can you post a picture of Jake?

My grandfather had a Bluetick Hound named Jake who was such a sweetie.

My own hound is a big sweet baby, himself. All my dogs are (I have four), but the hound is the BIGGEST baby and he's at least 45 pounds. He tries to lay on my like a little dog (and I'm a small person of about 5'1&quot . LOL.

Would love to see a pic of Jake.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
44. I go to a free image hosting site.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:47 PM
Aug 2015

Like this one: http://postimage.org/


Upload a pic from my phone or computer and then post the link it gives me on DU or where ever.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
55. What a cutie pie!
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:43 PM
Aug 2015

My very first dog was a lab/cocker mix (sounds weird, but he really just looked like a short lab).

Give him kisses from me. He doesn't know me, but I'm sure he'll appreciate it!

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
33. Best dog I ever had was a chocolate lab..
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:23 PM
Aug 2015

she was a beauty. The last night of her life, I was eating pizza and she was looking at me, not begging, but wanting a piece. I thought she was getting a little fat, but gave her a couple of pieces of pepperoni anyway, thinking I'll put her on a diet tomorrow. The next day, she was hit by a speeding driver, right in front of our house. So glad I gave in to her the night before.

Hope your boy gives you many more years. They are absolutely the best dogs in the world, and I love all my dogs.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
36. So sorry for your loss..... : (
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:25 PM
Aug 2015

But if my Jake is a true example, then chocolates are truly the best. He is a total sweetheart.

tblue37

(65,393 posts)
41. I found a good link for you about EIC:
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:44 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.cvm.umn.edu/vdl/services-and-fees/canine-neuromuscular/canine-exercise-induced-collapse-eic/more-eic-information/index.htm

EXERCISE INDUCED COLLAPSE IN LABRADOR RETRIEVERS AND RELATED BREEDS

Updated November 21, 2014

{SNIP}

A comprehensive investigation of EIC in Labrador Retrievers has been ongoing for nearly a decade, involving investigators from the University of Minnesota (EE Patterson, JR Mickelson, KM Minor), the University of Saskatchewan (SM Taylor, CL Shmon), and the Comparative Neuromuscular Unit at the University of California (GD Shelton). The objectives of this research have been to (1) describe the syndrome so that it can be recognized by dog owners, veterinarians and trainers, (2) to thoroughly evaluate affected dogs to try to establish an efficient means of diagnosis and to gain some insight into the cause of collapse, (3) to determine the mode of inheritance and the genetic basis for EIC and (4) to develop a DNA test for the condition.

{SNIP}
_______________________

WHO GETS IT?


The syndrome of exercise intolerance and collapse (EIC) is a common inherited disorder in Labrador Retrievers. Black, yellow and chocolate Labradors of both sexes are affected, with the distribution of colors and sexes closely reflecting the typical distribution in field trials (black males most common). Signs first become apparent in young dogs - usually between 5 months and 3 years of age (average 14 months). In dogs used for field trials, this usually coincides with the age at which they enter heavy training. Littermates and other related dogs are commonly affected but depending on their temperament and lifestyle they may or may not manifest symptoms. Affected dogs exhibiting symptoms of collapse are usually described as being extremely fit, muscular, prime athletic specimens of their breed with an excitable temperament and lots of drive.

{SNIP} (The omitted paragraph lists breeds besides Labs that are susceptible.)


HOW COMMON IS IT?

(EIC is the most common reason for exercise/excitement induced collapse in young, apparently healthy Labrador Retrievers.)

EIC is common in Labrador Retrievers, and now that we have identified the mutation we can test for the condition. Current data shows that 30% to 40% of Labradors are carriers (with one copy of the mutation) and 3% to 13% of dogs are affected (with 2 copies) and susceptible to collapse (emphasis added). The percentage of affected dogs varies with the populations of dogs being tested, and the reason for testing. The prevalence does not seem to be very different between field trial/hunt test dogs, show dogs and pet dogs. Most (>80%) affected Labradors (E/E: 2 copies of the mutation) experience at least one episode of collapse by the time they are 4 years of age. A few genetically affected (E/E) dogs never exhibit collapse, perhaps because they do not engage in the required strenuous activity with extreme excitement as required to produce collapse. DNA testing is the only way to know for certain whether a dog has EIC.

{SNIP}

Type of Exercise: Routine exercise like jogging, hiking, swimming, most waterfowl hunting and even agility or flyball training are not very likely to induce an episode in dogs with EIC. Activities with continuous intense exercise, particularly if accompanied by a high level of excitement or anxiety most commonly cause collapse. Activities commonly implicated include grouse or pheasant hunting, repetitive "happy retrieves", retrieving drills or repetition of difficult marks or blinds where the dog is being repeatedly corrected or is anticipating electric collar correction, and excitedly running alongside an ATV (emphasis added).

{SNIP}


If the test does indicate EIC, you will need to be very careful when playing with him from now on.

2theleft

(1,136 posts)
42. Oh my gosh!
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 09:45 PM
Aug 2015

I'm so glad he is ok. I would have been terrified. Quick thinking on your part with the water and the shower. I worry a ton about my two and walking in the heat. Try to do it early in the morning and then later in the evening, but even then, I am constantly watching, especially my boxer with her short snout. I'm glad you told me the symptoms - I will be super observant.

Lots of snuggles for Jake, and a few from me. The pups are the best of us - all that love and just awesomeness is furry packages.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
52. It is terrifying.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:36 PM
Aug 2015

Once one of my dogs got heat exhaustion during a walk, and I had to stand in the parking lot of a CVS with all four of my dogs and ask people if they could go inside and buy a gallon of water.

This past Sunday we tried to take a walk before it got too hot, but my dog again got exhausted. (He's an old man at 11.) Fortunately, we rested for a bit and then went to the bar a block away, where I got the water bottle refilled (and got a Jackie O's Mandala Mosaic IPA for myself.)

dougolat

(716 posts)
51. My two look like labs, but they're not...
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:33 PM
Aug 2015

...Belgian Sheepdog/Golden Retriever cross.
In the hot weather, I put a wading pool out in the yard in the general area that we usually throw to, and they take a quick dip on the return trip fairly often.
This year I switched from the flimsy lite plastic kiddie play pools (because they break so easily) to one of those heavier plastic sand-boxes that look like a turtle (yard sale -$5!) and it handles the weekly water change and scrub-out so much better.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
65. Jake had a wading pool too, but it was too flimsy to withstand his bounciness...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:31 AM
Aug 2015

I will look for one of those turtles! That would definitely hold up under the Jakester!

niyad

(113,329 posts)
54. oh my, how scary. so glad to hear that he is doing better. lots of prayers and good thoughts
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:42 PM
Aug 2015

on their way. please keep us posted.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
56. So glad you saved Jake!
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 10:56 PM
Aug 2015

As a Lab owner myself, I thank you so much for this thread.

To all who cherish their furkids --->

Laffy Kat

(16,382 posts)
57. Just to throw this out there...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:05 AM
Aug 2015

My dog was staggering, falling over, scaring me to death, (this was off and on) and turns out she has Addison's disease. They also consume LOADS of water and pee gallons. There is a characteristic electrolyte panel: low sodium and high potassium which can also be attributed to dehydration. Just saying, might want to mention it. BTW, Addison's is very treatable. There is a monthly shot of Percorten and very small daily doses of prednisone and she's super healthy now.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
66. Wow. Thank you for letting me know about that! Jake goes for his yearly physical on Monday
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:33 AM
Aug 2015

I will be asking our vet many questions......

Omaha Steve

(99,655 posts)
58. Enlarged heart?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:26 AM
Aug 2015

We lost Bear a Saint mix to that in the late 80's. His first symptom was Christmas day.

K&R!

OS
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
61. Poor little angel!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:10 AM
Aug 2015

I am so glad he's better now - Labs are the best dogs. I grew up with them, black and yellow, but I love chocolate labs too. Kisses to your little Jake!

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
62. Big dogs often
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:26 AM
Aug 2015

don't handle the heat well - my boxer didn't. I'm so glad Jake is better. Labs are beautiful dogs.

Our neighbor has a black lab that I call bandit because he is a terrible thief. I had new porch furniture with pillows on them and three went missing. We put our driveway alarm on the porch afraid that teenagers were the culprits. The next night the alarm went off and we both raced to the front door. We threw the door open and the lab was standing there wagging his tail. It was hysterically funny. I still laugh about it and it was two years ago.

His owners knew what he was doing but never bothered to ask the neighbors if they were missing stuff which a number of us were. He especially liked stealing solar pathway lights. Anyway, it turned out okay. My husband confronted the lab's owner who had two of our three pillows neither of which were torn or dirty. The best thing was the owners started spending time with bandit, trained him, and he stays in his yard. I wish we could have him come over to play like he did before, but it's too expensive. He tore our pathway lights that weren't solar lights but electric lights out of the ground and he could have gotten electrocuted.

I still laugh at him being the thief we all thought were teenagers being jerks.

He's a beautiful dog and sweet as a dog can be - he's just a thief. LOL

You took good care of Jake. Glad he is okay. By-the-way, he is beautiful.

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