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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have likely a dumb question, but why is Hungary trying to stop the asylum-seekers
from making it to Germany?
HappyinLA
(129 posts)What happens if the train gets to the German border and Germany says no? Hungary is stuck with folks it's not equipped to deal with.
What happens if the train gets to Germany and now every goes "we can escape through Hungary" and they're swamped with refugees that they aren't equipped to deal with.
Or folks just go, "Hungary is far enough, we'll stay here".
They're in a pickle where they don't have the resources to handle a major influx of refugees and are scrambling to stop it from turning into a flood. Sadly, they don't seem to be getting help from their neighbors.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Mass
(27,315 posts)Yes, they have announced they will accept 800,000 people during the next year, but not yet.
Now, what do we do with these people as they are here NOW? That should be the question.
Also, Hungary does not have a border with Germany
They would have to go through Austria or Slovenia. I am not sure whether these countries agree.
Mass
(27,315 posts)going from countries to countries. This is heartbreaking.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/reporters-notebook/migrants/hungary-treatment-refugees
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)That is what those people do. See GOP.
MBS
(9,688 posts)Orban seems to have morphed into a mini-Putin.
Mass
(27,315 posts)The fact that there is no border between Germany and Hungary may be part of the problem, among other things.
This New York Times seems to point to this direction
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/reporters-notebook/migrants/hungary-treatment-refugees
The trains to Gyor pulled out about an hour late. Some believed they were going to Germany. Others realized they would not go beyond the border towns, but said that was good enough. They would just get out there and walk across the border.
About half an hour later, the first train stopped. It was not at Gyor. It was at Bicske, the site of a migrant camp, only about 25 miles from Keleti station. The police were waiting. They surrounded the train.
I dont want to stay, one woman shouted at the police through a train window. Let me off. I want to go back to Syria.
The clever ones, and the lucky ones, had stayed behind. Slowly, they drifted back to the underground concourse at Keleti station and took up their positions again, as if nothing had happened. The children played ball; the men played cards; the women waited.
dogman
(6,073 posts)without being stuck with the people. Seems like another way to achieve self-deportation. If you look at the right wing in this country you realize that their belief is reason enough.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)by a treaty called the Schengen Agreement. This created a free area of travel and work mobility. Someone from Poland, for instance, could now job-seek in France. It's a good system, but one of the pitfalls is that many nations did away with border immigration checks. After all, the Schengen Zone wanted to make a common border across the many countries so the people within could move freely. Why spend billions policing the outdated national borders? So the border checks occur on the border of the zone, not the borders of individual countries within.
As you can see, Hungary guards the Schengen Zone's southeastern border. If an immigrant gets by Hungary, he/she has virtual free movement between countries due to the change in border procedures.
So to answer your question, Hungary is obligated to police the borders of the zone for all other members of the zone. Not just Germany, because everyone else is affected
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)So far, only 500 have taken them up on the offer.
Hungary has offered then asylum, too, but since they are part of the Schengen Area, the refugees take advantage of that to move to Austria and Germany. They don't want to settle in Serbia or Hungary. If I was a refugee, practically, I'd want to go to the place where I thought I would benefit the most.
The problem is that there aren't enough resources to go around, and these folks have no intention of going home once they arrive in Europe.
They want to go to Germany and Scandinavia because they believe they will get free houses, free cars, etc. by virtue of being there.
I have to honestly admit that I have to question why they don't want to transform their own country into a place worth living in rather than go to a place that is kind but overburdened already.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)cars, etc. by virtue of being there. "
Do you have evidence that this is why "they want to go to Germany and Scandinavia" and that "these folks have no intention of going home once they arrive in Europe."
That sounds like typical RW rhetoric that refugees are either "welfare moochers" if they don't work or "job stealers" if they do. At least they are not depicted as "rapists and drug dealers".
If liberals view the refugees this way, I can hardly imagine how conservatives must view them. They might as well go back to Syria and take their chances with Assad and ISIS.
I hope I am never a war refugee.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)an isolationist or a racist because I state whatSyrian refugees have also stated, then go right ahead.
There are all manner of reflections on the refugee crisis, not the least done by those that are refugees themselves. It's a horrible situation - they can't go home, and the places where they are cope with a strained system to help them.
I don't have a solution for how to aid them, and sending them back to be murdered in their homelands is also not an option.
It's a messed up situation.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)spend their lives perfecting weapons to better kill others and on a more massive scale. Just WTF is mankind trying to accomplish. So much of our world is sick!