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LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:35 AM Sep 2015

Do You Ever Think About Economic Justice for the Rest of the World?

I guess it's the Syrian refugee crisis that has been on my mind. I've been thinking lately about how much money and possessions we have compared to the rest of the world. We talk about the one percent in America, and we should, but many average Americans are living like kings compared to people in most of the world.

I'm not saying we should feel guilty for what we have, but don't we have an obligation to help the poorest people in the world? Shouldn't we at least make sure that they have food and water and clothes and all the other necessities?

Late at night, you can turn on the tv and see all these pleas for help from organizations that are supposed to be helping the poor in different parts of the world. We don't know if these organizations are legit, so people tend to ignore them. Maybe something should be done on a grander scale to help people.

Does the UN do enough to fight poverty? Is the UN useful at all anymore? We've come so far with technology that we can bring people together from all over the world and we can have conversations with people in Madagascar if we so desire. But what good is all of this stuff if we still have people starving and dying of preventable diseases in places all over the world?

Think about how you would feel if you found out there were starving people who lived on your street. If I found out that any of my neighbors were going hungry, I would immediately start finding ways to get food to them and I would buy what I could for them.

Think about your neighborhood, and then think about the world in relation to the rest of the Cosmos. Earth is your backyard. All of it. We should have a worldwide movement to end hunger and disease and poverty all over the world. We need to feed people and they need economic justice. Birth control is something else people need. On a planet with finite resources, it's good to make sure our population is under control. They say people tend to use birth control when they don't have to worry about getting their basic needs met.

It's imperative that we see needs met for all people of the world, and it's also important that we stop breeding so much and keep the human population under control. We don't have enough resources for exponential human population growth. Maybe one day we'll colonize other planets, but for now, we need to think about the Earth and how much more it can give to meet the needs of demanding humans.

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Do You Ever Think About Economic Justice for the Rest of the World? (Original Post) LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 OP
People limit offspring when they're sure that Igel Sep 2015 #1
Yeah, relocation for people is going LuvNewcastle Sep 2015 #2
Obligation is a strong word The2ndWheel Sep 2015 #3
Yes, and I discuss it often with friends SamKnause Sep 2015 #4
We could try dropping more food; fewer bombs. DirkGently Sep 2015 #5
Ah, the old White Man's Burden trope. AngryAmish Sep 2015 #6
Helping the poor is, I would hope, the "Liberal's Burden". Conservatives sure don't care. pampango Sep 2015 #8
There's a way to think about economic justice that doesn't involve... Shandris Sep 2015 #7

Igel

(35,320 posts)
1. People limit offspring when they're sure that
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:02 AM
Sep 2015

the 2-3 they have will survive.

Also when more kids = more economic liability. If you're agrarian your offspring are your workforce, but only if the kids work instead of going to school. School kids are an economic liability to a family. It usually takes cultural perspectives a generation or two to change when economics changes; iron-clad, fixed-in-cement cultural traits can make that harder (so if every week some preacher says you need a lot of kids and that's the dominant or state religion...).

And child limitations are the biggest way to fight poverty in the 3rd world. If you are married with two kids you need a certain amount of money to live. For each kid, you need more income. When you see a family with 4, 5, 6, 7 kids that isn't primarily agrarian with stay-at-home kids, you're probably looking at a poor family.

There's a bit of a hazard here, because if you just remove the economic liability there's no reason for the culture to change. Lots of kids show that you're a man or a real mother. It's your obligation, your duty, and if there's not much of a downside that won't change.

This has happened in some parts of the world. There are a few areas where even if the crops do not fail because of drought or war the land cannot sustain the primarily rural and agrarian population. Periodic droughts and famines used to knock down the population; in the last 50 years the population's justed increased and during famines held steady. I'm not talking about cities. Imagine Iowa so crowded that it couldn't feed itself. Either the population has to move or that area will forever need imports of food.

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
2. Yeah, relocation for people is going
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 09:29 AM
Sep 2015

to be a big issue, especially with global warming. A lot of places are going to be uninhabitable, at least for poor farmers, and they're going to need a place to live. A lot of cities are pricing average income and poor people out. The world is changing quickly, and we're going to have to adapt like we always have. It's going to be a difficult process for many of us.

Birth control should be encouraged always. We need to find ways to make limiting family size a more lucrative choice for people. Really, having a large family these days, with what we've learned through the years about the planet and man's effect on it's natural processes, is a bit selfish. Certain people think that they are so wonderful and special that they need to pass on their genes to the pool. They usually are the last people you'd want contributing to the gene pool. Maybe we should give a check to people who have one kid. We need to do something, because right now it's out of control

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
3. Obligation is a strong word
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:56 AM
Sep 2015

And subjective.

Also difficult to have a worldwide movement to end hunger, disease, and poverty on a finite planet. At least in the way that would satisfy our potential obligation. That's why our environmental issues are as complex as they are. Every plus comes with a minus.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
5. We could try dropping more food; fewer bombs.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:41 PM
Sep 2015

But that doesn't line the right pockets, or satisfy the right voters.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
8. Helping the poor is, I would hope, the "Liberal's Burden". Conservatives sure don't care.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:41 PM
Sep 2015

If liberals don't do what we can, no one will help and we are effectively endorsing the "bootstraps" strategy for alleviating global poverty.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
7. There's a way to think about economic justice that doesn't involve...
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:26 PM
Sep 2015

...the rest of the world?

Seems a pretty damn arbitrary definition of 'justice' in that case.

But really you're back to the old Colonialism question. Do we have a responsibility to use our culture - because it's the best, just ask us! - and civilization to enforce our current beliefs in human rights and economic justice across the whole world because it will save lives of those who are (undoubtedly) oppressed? I think we like to say "NO, OF COURSE NOT!"...until a question of humanitarianism comes up, then we like to forget the original answer until it's gone again. I think the real answer is somewhere in the "Yeah...sort of, and not really at the same time. It depends on a lot of other things." department, but that just tends to anger both sides.

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