Especially during an incident like this.

I used to shoot at a range where I met a couple guys who provided firearms training to the police. Their complaint was that they were only allowed to give enough instruction to ensure the officers could complete their annual qualification, which involved firing at paper targets.

and dented traffic signs when the would-be John Waynes start blasting away.

Apparently the only targets they can regularly hit are unarmed black men and women.

A cop can be an excellent shot at the range, but lose his mind when he actually needs to use his gun and hit nothing. Actually, most people have that problem, from what I've heard. There are stories of people unloading their weapons practically point blank at each other and not hitting anything.

A family member is a cop and she said that it was pathetic the crappy level of training they were given regarding guns. They are rarely given time to practice either. She does her own practice now on her own free time.

I've taken handgun classes where some of the students were cops getting extra training on their own dime.

Does not help marksmanship. But some say the police are so well trained. Most CCW carriers train more and are better shots.

The police commissioners are so concerned about negligent discharge that they make it difficult for their officers to fire their weapon. I look at it like a kitchen knife. You are more likely to be cut with a dull kitchen knife than a sharp one.

Curtis Reeves, Michael Dunn, Stawicki, etc. And in some states, you don't even need a permit to carry. Besides teaching to shoot center mass to ensure a kill, instructors like Massad Ayoob -- who caters to training white folks -- teach them when they can kill legally and what to say to law enforcement if the goof up and shoot an unarmed person under questionable circumstances.

Personally, I'm not impressed by CCWers bragging they are better killers than police.

Funny, Massad Ayoob is an Arab American and a Police Captain, can you give us an example of how he's teaching White folks how to kill and fool the police?

Sounds like another of your unfounded claims that got you kicked out of the Gungeon.

It takes a lot to get blocked there as only two have. I want to see the bicycle tire and beans trick. Bet it is awesome!

Take a look at his graduating classes -- mostly armed white guys.

You gun guys need to accept there are plenty of ways to defend yourself without guns.

should work for civilians too but it was not a can of beans, I think it was a can of spray paint.

He uses vacation and sabbaticals for his training business.

Funny though, my class was only about 30% white males. A few women and the rest were African-American, who just aren't as smart as you I guess and left unaware that they were being taught by a racist and paid big buck$$ to be radicalized.

No more than I'd post any pictures of the 80 or so people from my concealed carry classes either.

If I recall, you also had a great collection of peoples rear ends that you claimed you took, sitting in Starbuck's at one point, that you claimed were all concealed carriers.

So how many have you personally confronted so far, with or without a can of beans or bike wheel? Gun control needs a bold hero type as a leader. I mean another hero besides that racist shit Bloomberg.

Ah, you aren't missed in the Gungeon at all, we have new silly people that have taken your place, but they seem to be smart enough not to insult and be rude to everyone yet, so they get to stay.

Buh bye.

BTW. I bet hie classes are filled with right wing gunner crud.

If not, why did you post it?

I daresay:

1. It didn't, and

2. You don't..

Despite the fact that CCW holders commit crimes at a rate lower than the general population.

And White people are generally the most law abiding citizens.

Sail right over the heads of the rabid anti-gun types.

Not because they don't know it. They know it very well. They know that when all the facts, not just a cherry picked few examples, are laid out in front of them that their position doesn't stand up.

They have to choose to ignore those inconvenient truths and pretend they don't exist.

So they resort to emotional appeals, antecdotes about how you can defend yourself without a gun (real or just made up), and of course insults and for some tossing a racial angle into it.

Why? Because for them it's an almost religious cause. It's blind faith. Guns are bad, they have made their mind up, so just like when someone has made their mind up that their religion is right they ignore anything that goes against it, attack anyone bringing evidence against their beliefs, make up tales about how their faith worked for them, and cling to any shred of misrepresented out of context "proof" they can find.

If you don't believe me, take the behavior of the most vocal anti-gun posters in this thread and go find an online evolution debate or debate on faith healing- the same behavior you see from anti-gunners here you see from creationists and religious fundamentalists.

Their behavior is also pretty well along the lines of the anti-vaxxer crowd. The facts are not on their side so they misrepresent, insult and appeal to emotion.

In all recognized CCW weapons training drawing a weapon is the last resort to protect your life or the life of others. You only fire to stop the threat, not kill. You are taught to aim center mass as that is the best way to stop the threat and limit hitting bystanders. I have my license, do not normally ever carry and hope I never have to draw a weapon.

Whatsoever.

gun junk.

Derp.

Of course I understand that you're after job safety..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=45338

can't read in context.

if someone had a former career path where they had to be in fear of the people they were victimizing being armed it sure could develop a deep fear of guns in their mind.

And if as a result of that prior "career path" they are perhaps now not legally allowed to own a gun that can result in resentment against those who haven't shown they are a danger to society and can be armed, and a desire to see everyone else's rights removed as well.

folks. Were he older, he likely would have offered classes for South Africans.

Center Mass is just gunner language for killing people.

racist.

Randy Weaver was not a despicable racist.

another time his words prove that he has a very hard time with the truth.

whether in policing, target shooting or hunting. The weapon squirrels around while you force the trigger to break. Inevitably, your aim is off, nomatter how accurate the gun is otherwise. In urban policing, this has to be a real concern. This is an example of crap political mythology overriding known facts about firearm useage.

in the Dorner case in LA? The ones whow ere shot wrongly by the cops? Shot 30 times and only one was hit. In a vehicle, trapped and no one died.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/lapd-chief-officers-who-mistook-women-for-dorner-off-patrol-til-probe-complete.html

They don't get much practice time, and for some wonky political reason they have all their pistols modified to have a super heavy trigger pull that anyone with knowledge can tell you greatly hampers any shooters accuracy.

That is, that a heavy trigger lowers the risk of accidental discharge. That is, of course, utter nonsense. ADs are prevented by trigger discipline (not putting your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire). A cop may have to hold a suspect at gunpoint, but even then, you don't need to have your finger on the trigger unless you actually have to fire.

Oh nm...I see they already showed up. ALWAYS an excuse for ciminal behavor, IF it is a cop. Pathetic.

You'll always support the criminal, despite the fact that individual is killing or robbing from law abiding citizens. Pathetic.

There's just no arguing with such a deeply nuanced and astute analysis.

So this criminal engaged the police in a gun fight and we are blaming the police for not being more accurate?

I guess you don't know anything about LEO. Typical.

If you're so incompetent as to fire wildly without hitting your target in such a manner you have no business firing your weapon in the first place or even serving the public as a police officer.

In what line of work is such a percentage of success acceptable? Would you repeatedly spend money at a restaurant that only gets your order right one out of 84 times? Would you take your car to a mechanic who made the correct repair only once out of 84 attempts?

You can embrace incompetence and idiocy all you like but do not expect the rest of us to lobotomize ourselves into complete imbecility in order to understand how people who espouse this perspective "think" about things.

Why don't you go and PAY for the extra training. Or you can lead a program to raise taxes for extra training.

that is Star Wars Stormtrooper accuracy.