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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 05:39 PM Sep 2015

In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins (2014 Poll)

Wonder what portion are Republicans??


PRINCETON, NJ -- More than four in 10 Americans continue to believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago, a view that has changed little over the past three decades. Half of Americans believe humans evolved, with the majority of these saying God guided the evolutionary process. However, the percentage who say God was not involved is rising.



More At:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

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In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins (2014 Poll) (Original Post) Logical Sep 2015 OP
The 42%: hifiguy Sep 2015 #1
Tragically, they are the biggest group. Coventina Sep 2015 #2
I do wonder sometimes how hard people laugh hifiguy Sep 2015 #5
I haven't traveled overseas a lot - really only three times. Coventina Sep 2015 #8
So if this decline in creation believers continues, guillaumeb Sep 2015 #3
They really need to read some serious recent cosmology. hifiguy Sep 2015 #6
And, recent archeological discoveries that trace the development of humans. Coventina Sep 2015 #9
Dr. Tyson sums it up very nicely. hifiguy Sep 2015 #10
Sadly, when those in power ignore science, it can spell doom for the entire planet. Coventina Sep 2015 #11
and therein lies the problem! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #4
It's even worse than that Ron Obvious Sep 2015 #7
I worked in Biology Depts where many fellow profs believed God-guided evolution HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #12
But I'm the mean one for pointing at them and snickering NightWatcher Sep 2015 #13
Yes, and they burned them on the cross! nt Logical Sep 2015 #14
This is one reason I'm firmly in the Pro-Mockery of Religion camp. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #15
+1000 nt Logical Sep 2015 #16
Do you believe that mockery persuades anyone of anything? kwassa Sep 2015 #17
Religious belief has been steadily dropping in the last decade or so -- Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #18
I think your cause and effect is unprovable. kwassa Sep 2015 #19
It's disrespect of beliefs. We do that all the time. We mock Republicans' beliefs. Arugula Latte Sep 2015 #20
This is an interesting article, but not an entirely convincing argument. kwassa Sep 2015 #22
I have little patience with religious dogma myself. A few people are trying to put out the fire... BlueJazz Sep 2015 #21
In an Aug 2014 Pew poll, 39% Republicans think humans never evolved; 25% Democrats muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #23
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. I do wonder sometimes how hard people laugh
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:11 PM
Sep 2015

in Tokyo, Seoul, Paris, London and other places when they read about this kind of bone-deep Stoopid..

It must look something like our friend Jerry Mouse here:

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
8. I haven't traveled overseas a lot - really only three times.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:17 PM
Sep 2015

But each time I have, it was to find that people all over the world expect Americans to be stupid and violent.

It's a bit depressing.
But, on the plus side, it usually doesn't take me long to convince them that I, at least, don't fit into that category.

Then, they want to ask how on earth George W. Bush became president.
He really left a bad impression on other countries.

Obama, and, interestingly, Michelle are greatly admired, however.
I remember being in Den Haag (The Hague) and seeing an entire store window devoted to merchandise with Michelle Obama's face on it!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. So if this decline in creation believers continues,
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:01 PM
Sep 2015

and the survey actually shows that 73% of people believe there was a divine influence in creation, the believers have declined from 82% to 73% in 33 years.

At that rate of decline, in approximately 297 years there will be no believers in a divine influence on creation. I can hardly wait.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
6. They really need to read some serious recent cosmology.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:13 PM
Sep 2015

That the universe simply came into being as a fluctuation in the eternal quantum foam defies no known law of physics. Lawrence Krauss' "A Unverse From Nothing" is a really fine book and explains it all.

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
9. And, recent archeological discoveries that trace the development of humans.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:19 PM
Sep 2015

It's all there in the soil.

The "missing link" is no longer missing....

Coventina

(27,121 posts)
11. Sadly, when those in power ignore science, it can spell doom for the entire planet.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:28 PM
Sep 2015

They get elected by people like my father who is convinced that America will never get hit with a nuclear weapon "because God wouldn't allow it."

And, global warming won't destroy life because God promised Noah never to destroy the earth again.

And, it's not just my father. There are millions like him.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
7. It's even worse than that
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:17 PM
Sep 2015

42% straight out creationists
31% God-guided evolution (not much better than creationism, frankly)
-- + Makes
73% who believe "God did it", vs only 19% who accepted Darwinian evolution as the most accurate model.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
12. I worked in Biology Depts where many fellow profs believed God-guided evolution
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:39 PM
Sep 2015

This required a real challenge to my ability to not see people who believed that as complete deniers of the central tenet of Biology.

In my first position, of 5 biologists 3 were of the god did it by evolution type. I found that mortifyingly embarrassing. But they were quite happy with what I there after called creation apologists.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
13. But I'm the mean one for pointing at them and snickering
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:50 PM
Sep 2015

Was it considered "bashing" when enlightened folks laughed at the flat earthers?

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
15. This is one reason I'm firmly in the Pro-Mockery of Religion camp.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:29 PM
Sep 2015

Religious idiocy is too deeply ingrained, and it has had devastating effects on this country and world.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
17. Do you believe that mockery persuades anyone of anything?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:45 PM
Sep 2015

Or do you only end up preaching to the choir, so to speak?

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
18. Religious belief has been steadily dropping in the last decade or so --
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:53 PM
Sep 2015

and that is thanks in large part to Internet discussion of religion, and, yes, mockery. People don't stay in their little bubbles anymore, where everyone in their town goes to the same church, hears the same nonsense, and doesn't have need to question it because everyone else buys it. It's the "Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
19. I think your cause and effect is unprovable.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:03 PM
Sep 2015

American society has been moving in a more secular direction for decades now. I think it is more that people generally stop believing the the religious claims over time.

I would love to see you prove a causation between just the Internet, and the secularization of society. People were not in bubbles before the Internet, and the Internet is chock full of bad information. Anyone who reads the Internet uncritically will come up with all kinds of bizarre beliefs. Or disbeliefs.

To the second point, I don't think mockery has ever convinced anyone of anything, regardless of belief involved. Mockery only shows disrespect from one individual to another individual. It is only enjoyed by those of an already identical viewpoint.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
20. It's disrespect of beliefs. We do that all the time. We mock Republicans' beliefs.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:07 PM
Sep 2015

Religion is not a distinct belief category, even though there are plenty of people of "faith" who think that, because what they believe has no facts nor evidence backing it up, it is somehow deserving of special protection. Go figure.

Here's something discussing the effect of the Internet on religious belief:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526111/how-the-internet-is-taking-away-americas-religion/

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
22. This is an interesting article, but not an entirely convincing argument.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:25 PM
Sep 2015

and the problem with these claims are pointed out in the article itself.

At this point, it’s worth spending a little time talking about the nature of these conclusions. What Downey has found is correlations and any statistician will tell you that correlations do not imply causation. If A is correlated with B, there can be several possible explanations. A might cause B, B might cause A, or some other factor might cause both A and B.

But that does not mean that it is impossible to draw conclusions from correlations, only that they must be properly guarded. “Correlation does provide evidence in favor of causation, especially when we can eliminate alternative explanations or have reason to believe that they are less likely,” says Downey.

......................................................

But there is something else going on here too. Downey has found three factors—the drop in religious upbringing, the increase in college-level education and the increase in Internet use—that together explain about 50 percent of the drop in religious affiliation.

But what of the other 50 percent? In the data, the only factor that correlates with this is date of birth—people born later are less likely to have a religious affiliation. But as Downey points out, year of birth cannot be a causal factor. “So about half of the observed change remains unexplained,” he says.


and, as I said, mockery persuades no one.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
21. I have little patience with religious dogma myself. A few people are trying to put out the fire...
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 08:15 PM
Sep 2015

...and these zealots are throwing gasoline on it....while doing their best to turn off OUR water.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
23. In an Aug 2014 Pew poll, 39% Republicans think humans never evolved; 25% Democrats
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 04:41 AM
Sep 2015

The numbers you get are very sensitive to the exact phrasing of the question, so comparing different questions is dodgy. But Pew asked, as their first question, whether “humans and other living things have evolved over time” or “have existed in their present form since the beginning of time.”.



http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/07/01/chapter-4-evolution-and-perceptions-of-scientific-consensus/

In April 2013 the numbers were 48% and 27%; in 2009, 39% and 30%.

When split by 'conservative/moderate/liberal', the difference is even starker.

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