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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins (2014 Poll)
Wonder what portion are Republicans??
PRINCETON, NJ -- More than four in 10 Americans continue to believe that God created humans in their present form 10,000 years ago, a view that has changed little over the past three decades. Half of Americans believe humans evolved, with the majority of these saying God guided the evolutionary process. However, the percentage who say God was not involved is rising.
More At:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx
hifiguy
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Coventina
(27,121 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in Tokyo, Seoul, Paris, London and other places when they read about this kind of bone-deep Stoopid..
It must look something like our friend Jerry Mouse here:
Coventina
(27,121 posts)But each time I have, it was to find that people all over the world expect Americans to be stupid and violent.
It's a bit depressing.
But, on the plus side, it usually doesn't take me long to convince them that I, at least, don't fit into that category.
Then, they want to ask how on earth George W. Bush became president.
He really left a bad impression on other countries.
Obama, and, interestingly, Michelle are greatly admired, however.
I remember being in Den Haag (The Hague) and seeing an entire store window devoted to merchandise with Michelle Obama's face on it!
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and the survey actually shows that 73% of people believe there was a divine influence in creation, the believers have declined from 82% to 73% in 33 years.
At that rate of decline, in approximately 297 years there will be no believers in a divine influence on creation. I can hardly wait.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)That the universe simply came into being as a fluctuation in the eternal quantum foam defies no known law of physics. Lawrence Krauss' "A Unverse From Nothing" is a really fine book and explains it all.
Coventina
(27,121 posts)It's all there in the soil.
The "missing link" is no longer missing....
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Coventina
(27,121 posts)They get elected by people like my father who is convinced that America will never get hit with a nuclear weapon "because God wouldn't allow it."
And, global warming won't destroy life because God promised Noah never to destroy the earth again.
And, it's not just my father. There are millions like him.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)42% straight out creationists
31% God-guided evolution (not much better than creationism, frankly)
-- + Makes
73% who believe "God did it", vs only 19% who accepted Darwinian evolution as the most accurate model.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)This required a real challenge to my ability to not see people who believed that as complete deniers of the central tenet of Biology.
In my first position, of 5 biologists 3 were of the god did it by evolution type. I found that mortifyingly embarrassing. But they were quite happy with what I there after called creation apologists.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Was it considered "bashing" when enlightened folks laughed at the flat earthers?
Logical
(22,457 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Religious idiocy is too deeply ingrained, and it has had devastating effects on this country and world.
Logical
(22,457 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Or do you only end up preaching to the choir, so to speak?
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)and that is thanks in large part to Internet discussion of religion, and, yes, mockery. People don't stay in their little bubbles anymore, where everyone in their town goes to the same church, hears the same nonsense, and doesn't have need to question it because everyone else buys it. It's the "Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)American society has been moving in a more secular direction for decades now. I think it is more that people generally stop believing the the religious claims over time.
I would love to see you prove a causation between just the Internet, and the secularization of society. People were not in bubbles before the Internet, and the Internet is chock full of bad information. Anyone who reads the Internet uncritically will come up with all kinds of bizarre beliefs. Or disbeliefs.
To the second point, I don't think mockery has ever convinced anyone of anything, regardless of belief involved. Mockery only shows disrespect from one individual to another individual. It is only enjoyed by those of an already identical viewpoint.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Religion is not a distinct belief category, even though there are plenty of people of "faith" who think that, because what they believe has no facts nor evidence backing it up, it is somehow deserving of special protection. Go figure.
Here's something discussing the effect of the Internet on religious belief:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526111/how-the-internet-is-taking-away-americas-religion/
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and the problem with these claims are pointed out in the article itself.
At this point, its worth spending a little time talking about the nature of these conclusions. What Downey has found is correlations and any statistician will tell you that correlations do not imply causation. If A is correlated with B, there can be several possible explanations. A might cause B, B might cause A, or some other factor might cause both A and B.
But that does not mean that it is impossible to draw conclusions from correlations, only that they must be properly guarded. Correlation does provide evidence in favor of causation, especially when we can eliminate alternative explanations or have reason to believe that they are less likely, says Downey.
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But there is something else going on here too. Downey has found three factorsthe drop in religious upbringing, the increase in college-level education and the increase in Internet usethat together explain about 50 percent of the drop in religious affiliation.
But what of the other 50 percent? In the data, the only factor that correlates with this is date of birthpeople born later are less likely to have a religious affiliation. But as Downey points out, year of birth cannot be a causal factor. So about half of the observed change remains unexplained, he says.
and, as I said, mockery persuades no one.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...and these zealots are throwing gasoline on it....while doing their best to turn off OUR water.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)The numbers you get are very sensitive to the exact phrasing of the question, so comparing different questions is dodgy. But Pew asked, as their first question, whether humans and other living things have evolved over time or have existed in their present form since the beginning of time..
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/07/01/chapter-4-evolution-and-perceptions-of-scientific-consensus/
In April 2013 the numbers were 48% and 27%; in 2009, 39% and 30%.
When split by 'conservative/moderate/liberal', the difference is even starker.