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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:09 AM Sep 2015

Wasserman Schultz backs Iran deal

Democratic Party Chairwoman and Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz said Sunday she will vote in favor of President Barack Obama's nuclear deal with Iran.

"In weighing everything, all the information, I've concluded the best thing to do is vote in support of the Iran deal and put Iran years away from being a nuclear state," Wasserman Schutz, the first Jewish-American woman to represent Florida in Congress, told CNN's Jake Tapper Sunday on "State of the Union."

The vote gives Obama key support as he looks to build consensus among Democrats as Congress returns this week to take up the proposal. He has already locked in enough votes in the Senate to sustain a veto.

Wasserman Schultz explained her reasoning in an op-ed in The Miami Herald Sunday.

"I wrote an op-ed in there today that talks about this and my Jewish heart and how important this was to me that as a Jewish mother," she said, holding back tears. "We have a concept of l'dor v'dor -- from generation to generation -- there's nothing more important to me, as a Jew, than to ensure Israel's existence is there throughout our generations."

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/06/politics/wasserman-schultz-supports-iran-deal/

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Wasserman Schultz backs Iran deal (Original Post) n2doc Sep 2015 OP
That's awesome... R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2015 #1
Yes, it is the difference between those who lead and jwirr Sep 2015 #18
Nice of AIPAC to autorize her to do that. Wilms Sep 2015 #2
and you have the nerve to wonder why she considered voting against dsc Sep 2015 #6
Lots of constituents wanted a war with Iraq. Wilms Sep 2015 #12
my point is that if the thanks she is going to get for doing the right thing dsc Sep 2015 #14
You have your point. Wilms Sep 2015 #23
A person should do the right thing because it's the right thing Flying Squirrel Sep 2015 #46
Geez, now they will need to find something else to bash her on still_one Sep 2015 #28
. Wilms Sep 2015 #31
Thank you. riversedge Sep 2015 #3
Good job, DWS! geek tragedy Sep 2015 #4
"Now that my vote would not stop nor advance the deal, I support it!!" (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #5
These entities are more transparent than saran wrap FlatBaroque Sep 2015 #7
and you have the nerve to wonder why she considered voting against dsc Sep 2015 #8
She should vote for the right things. Gore1FL Sep 2015 #29
She can vote against it all she wants. She can vote for it all she wants. jeff47 Sep 2015 #34
Now DWS can be an articulate spokesperson for the deal. She's super sharp oasis Sep 2015 #20
Amazing show of leadership Duckhunter935 Sep 2015 #30
Agreed...I would have been impressed had she done it when it mattered...nt joeybee12 Sep 2015 #57
Now that she knows it cannot be overridden she has changed her position malaise Sep 2015 #9
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #24
Really? Sorry you are off base. If anything if she voted no on the deal now still_one Sep 2015 #41
If she were not head of the DNC then the veto-proof majority Flying Squirrel Sep 2015 #47
Well then I guess I am sorry she didn't vote against the deal, because that would have fulfilled your still_one Sep 2015 #64
If you support her then you should be happy she didn't vote against it Flying Squirrel Sep 2015 #65
I don't live in Florida, I cannot vote for or against her. I also am not a member of the DNC committee, still_one Sep 2015 #66
Yep, very little of the criticism of her under this OP makes sense. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #54
Great. Now, what has she done about the dearth of debates? n/t Triana Sep 2015 #10
Amazing comments on this OP - she just can't win oberliner Sep 2015 #11
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #15
Actually it's f":- you Debbie. roody Sep 2015 #17
Yes, you can't win when you're a weather vane. (nt) jeff47 Sep 2015 #33
But she voted with Obama and people are still giving her crap oberliner Sep 2015 #36
On this issue, she hasn't voted at all. jeff47 Sep 2015 #38
Publicly pledged to vote with Obama oberliner Sep 2015 #48
Time didn't start with her pledge. jeff47 Sep 2015 #63
The comments make clear how she could win. Jim Lane Sep 2015 #39
That's what she has now done oberliner Sep 2015 #49
No, she's late. Jim Lane Sep 2015 #52
Rumour and media speculation without the proof necessary for the outrage that was displayed. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #58
Has DWS commented on the report, or is the matter being kept secret? (n/t) Jim Lane Sep 2015 #59
Rumour and media speculation deserves no comment! As Clinton has also said...repeatedly. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #60
Then I draw my conclusions accordingly. Jim Lane Sep 2015 #62
Clearly she's part of the "Jewish conspiracy" either way villager Sep 2015 #40
I agree--no matter what SHE does, it is wrong. MADem Sep 2015 #55
She must have seen the petitions to replace her. mfcorey1 Sep 2015 #13
She certainly wants to keep her chairwomanship. mylye2222 Sep 2015 #16
Good grief. That's not the issue at all.... MADem Sep 2015 #56
I guess she zentrum Sep 2015 #19
And all this time... SHRED Sep 2015 #21
What does this mean? oberliner Sep 2015 #37
Okay SHRED Sep 2015 #42
President Obama also has great affinity for Israel oberliner Sep 2015 #43
Okay, the citizenship remark by me... SHRED Sep 2015 #44
Fair enough oberliner Sep 2015 #50
I am glad that she finally did the right thing. BlueMTexpat Sep 2015 #22
Easy to flip flop? SmittynMo Sep 2015 #25
i guess she had to do that. barbtries Sep 2015 #26
I guess the calls for her ouster are having an affect Babel_17 Sep 2015 #27
Completely surprised me! KaryninMiami Sep 2015 #32
Sure to disappoint many people here tritsofme Sep 2015 #35
KnR Hekate Sep 2015 #45
My, what a "Leader" greytdemocrat Sep 2015 #51
Well, that will certainly disappoint a cadre of people who wanted to stuff her under the bus. MADem Sep 2015 #53
Credit where it's due - good job. Drunken Irishman Sep 2015 #61

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. Yes, it is the difference between those who lead and
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:53 AM
Sep 2015

sign on early and those who follow after they know they are safe.

I am glad she is supporting the deal but she does not get a round of applause from me.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
6. and you have the nerve to wonder why she considered voting against
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:56 AM
Sep 2015

it as the overwhelming majority of her constituents wanted her to do.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
14. my point is that if the thanks she is going to get for doing the right thing
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:12 AM
Sep 2015

in opposition to her constituents is fuck you which is pretty close to what you wrote then why, oh why do you think a person would do the right thing.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
7. These entities are more transparent than saran wrap
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:56 AM
Sep 2015

And this particular unit understand that its political career is in the dumper.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
8. and you have the nerve to wonder why she considered voting against
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:57 AM
Sep 2015

the deal as the overwhelming majority of her constituents wish her to do.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
29. She should vote for the right things.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:34 PM
Sep 2015

If her constituents want the wrong things, they can have that discussion in the election cycle.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. She can vote against it all she wants. She can vote for it all she wants.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:19 PM
Sep 2015

When last week she was against it but this week she is for it, the pandering is obvious.

It was a bad deal when there were only 30 votes to sustain a veto. Now that there are enough votes to sustain a veto, it's a good deal.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
20. Now DWS can be an articulate spokesperson for the deal. She's super sharp
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:57 AM
Sep 2015

at laying out details on issues.

Response to malaise (Reply #9)

still_one

(92,219 posts)
41. Really? Sorry you are off base. If anything if she voted no on the deal now
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 02:15 PM
Sep 2015

the veto proof provides her cover if that was the intent

However, ignoring this is what her constituents want, let's bash her

When Maddow said a couple months back that if Hillary announced the cure for cancer, her haters would still bash her, the same applies to DWS

The inability to acknowledge a positive action, in someone who you disagree with on other issues, indicates a narrow mind

This is why we have an ACA, because it was realized we didn't have the votes for single payer, and in the window of opportunity we had something that was far better than what was their before,

Like Nader's incorrect assumption that there was or is no difference between the republican and Democrats, he didn't win any election, and bush as president more than adequately disproved his assumption. The SC if nothing else

Even Bernies Sanders recognizes sometimes something is better than nothing, which is why he voted for the ACA


 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
47. If she were not head of the DNC then the veto-proof majority
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 03:57 PM
Sep 2015

Would indeed provide her cover. But she is, and so the pressure was still on to conform, which she did to save her position as head of the DNC - hoping that her explanations and tears would be enough to also save her Congressional seat.

It's pretty transparent to many.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
64. Well then I guess I am sorry she didn't vote against the deal, because that would have fulfilled your
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 04:18 PM
Sep 2015

expectations. Better luck next time

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
65. If you support her then you should be happy she didn't vote against it
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:57 PM
Sep 2015

I'm pretty sure she would have lost her position as DNC chair, which would have made me happy, but it would have fulfilled my hopes, not my expectations. I've been watching politics long enough that this move by her was completely expected.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
66. I don't live in Florida, I cannot vote for or against her. I also am not a member of the DNC committee,
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 12:57 AM
Sep 2015

so I cannot vote for or against her in that capacity either.

However, when someone makes a decision that I perceive is right, I will acknowledge that is a good thing.

I have no idea the criteria the DNC committee uses to elect their chairman.

I would even agree with you if DWS voted against the Iran deal, she shouldn't be elected as DNC chair, but whether that would happen or not is beyond our control

However, a better example which is more within our control is whether the next majority/minority leader should be Schumer. That is determined by our senators. even though Reid recommended that choice. There is at least a potential that we can influence that decision through our senators as voters

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Amazing comments on this OP - she just can't win
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:02 AM
Sep 2015

If she votes against the deal everyone screams that she is controlled by AIPAC and is a traitor and other nonsense.

When she actually votes for the deal, she is accused of triangulating and still being controlled by AIPAC.

Response to oberliner (Reply #11)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
36. But she voted with Obama and people are still giving her crap
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:42 PM
Sep 2015

Imagine if she had voted the other way.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
38. On this issue, she hasn't voted at all.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:50 PM
Sep 2015

Last week, there were not enough Democrats in the Senate who had committed to the deal to sustain a veto. And DWS was against the deal.

This week, there are enough Democrats to sustain a veto. And DWS now supports the deal.

Nothing in the deal changed. If it was a bad deal last week, it still is a bad deal this week. Yet she changed her position.

She is getting crap because of the obvious "triangulation".

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
48. Publicly pledged to vote with Obama
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:31 PM
Sep 2015

It seems like the fact that she has come around to this position would be cause for at least a mildly positive comment as opposed to this snark. If she had pledged to vote against the deal then she certainly would've gotten a ton of crap here. Thus, she can't win.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
63. Time didn't start with her pledge.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:28 AM
Sep 2015

She has a long history of not having convictions and doing whatever is best for herself. This is just another instance.

The problem with track records is they still exist, even when they are inconvenient.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
39. The comments make clear how she could win.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015

She could come out in favor of the deal when the outcome was still in doubt.

Lots of other people managed to do that.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
49. That's what she has now done
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:31 PM
Sep 2015

Which I would think people would be pleased about - but instead they are still giving her crap.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
52. No, she's late.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:09 PM
Sep 2015

I agree with you to the extent of saying that it's better for her to support the deal now than to oppose it. She has not, however "now done" what I said, of weighing in when it mattered. She publicly supported the deal only when enough Senators had stated their support so that a resolution of disapproval would be doomed (enough votes in the Senate to sustain a veto, regardless of what the House did).

Also, let's not forget this story from last week: "Wasserman Schultz blocked Iran resolution at DNC meeting: report".

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
62. Then I draw my conclusions accordingly.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 10:24 PM
Sep 2015

On the available evidence, I consider it more likely than not that the report in The Hill is true.

Of course, the Democratic National Committee has a perfect right to tell grassroots Democrats like me that it will not answer questions about significant aspects of its policy deliberations. What the DNC (and DWS) cannot do is, through silence, bind me to an enforced agnosticism about the subject. If they choose not to make definitive information available, then I have the right to take such less-than-definitive information as is available and decide where the preponderance of the evidence lies.

Of course, all this is rather academic; I know perfectly well that DWS doesn't give a damn what I think.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
40. Clearly she's part of the "Jewish conspiracy" either way
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 02:00 PM
Sep 2015

Look, I'm no fan of her centrist politics and timidity in general, but yes, DU keeps inching closer and closer to its "liberal" version of a "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" view of the world....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. I agree--no matter what SHE does, it is wrong.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:40 PM
Sep 2015

I sometimes wonder if she'd take the same heat were she male.

Hmmm.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. Good grief. That's not the issue at all....
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:49 PM
Sep 2015

She knows that's not a permanent gig. It never is.

When Barack Obama is no longer the party leader (and he won't be once his term is up), he won't be making those choices.


President Barack Obama has chosen Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz as the incoming chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, the party announced late Tuesday.
Wasserman Schultz, 44, was chosen for her strength as a fundraiser and as a television messenger and for her clout in the crucial swing state of Florida, the sources said.
She will succeed Tim Kaine, who announced earlier Tuesday that he will run for U.S. Senate from Virginia.
The committee announced the choice in an email to members from Vice President Joe Biden.
“In selecting Debbie to lead our party, President Obama noted her tenacity, her strength, her fighting spirit and her ability to overcome adversity,” Biden wrote.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/wasserman-schultz-to-lead-dnc-052605#ixzz3l0OUkECn
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
42. Okay
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 02:40 PM
Sep 2015

Based on what she said, her decision weighed heavy because of her affinity for Israel.

I guess that means that if I'm in a national leadership position I need to contemplate what's best for the Nederlands?

I'm pleased she came around but the delay concerns me as does her obvious bias for President.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
43. President Obama also has great affinity for Israel
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 02:55 PM
Sep 2015

In fact, he said the following:

"Israel isn’t just an ally, it’s not just a friend — it’s family."

http://forward.com/news/320091/read-the-transcript-of-forward-editor-in-chiefs-interview-with-barack-obama/#ixzz3kzD2J3E6

Do you question his citizenship as well?

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
44. Okay, the citizenship remark by me...
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 03:19 PM
Sep 2015

...was over the top. I'll agree.

Maybe you can explain why she took so long and brought Israel into the picture?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
50. Fair enough
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:48 PM
Sep 2015

I think she took so long because she probably heard from a lot of her constituents who have doubts about the deal for one reason or another.

In terms of foreign policy, the security of Israel is an issue that is important to a lot of those constituents, particularly in the Jewish community.

Obama made a point of stressing that this deal will make Israel more secure, so obviously that is a policy goal of his also.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
22. I am glad that she finally did the right thing.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:03 PM
Sep 2015

One of my Senators, Ben Cardin (D-MD), will not. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-cardin-iran-20150904-story.html

I wrote to him on four separate occasions, begging for him to come out for the deal and providing links to credible sources to confirm my arguments. He chose instead to believe the lies of AIPAC, Netanyahu, and the same Iraq War cheerleaders.

Cardin is now dead to me. I have written a fifth time to tell him so. I will support a primary challenger in every way that I can. I will never vote for Cardin again.

Unless, of course, he changes his mind. But he has already shown himself to be a tool of the warmongers, so he has lost credibility now - no matter what he ultimately does.


SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
25. Easy to flip flop?
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:29 PM
Sep 2015

So she flip flopped in 1 week.

I read last week, that this around this time in the last 2 elections, approx 26 debates had been scheduled. Now she only wants 6?

So why are we only going to see 6 this time around? She's out to protect Hilliary!!!! It's sickening, that she does not represent the ENTIRE party. Just the ones in her back pocket. Looks like more corruption to me.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
26. i guess she had to do that.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:30 PM
Sep 2015

i don't think she sees or weighs anything from other than a political standpoint and want her out of her position in time for democrats to win in 2016.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
32. Completely surprised me!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

I was so sure she was going to say no! Totally made my day. Still not a huge fan of hers but this was a good step forward.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. Well, that will certainly disappoint a cadre of people who wanted to stuff her under the bus.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 07:36 PM
Sep 2015

All those people who just "knew" she'd be "disloyal."

How dare she back her party boss!


Ruining everyone's "fun."


Buckets of for the irony-impaired.

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