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Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:35 AM Sep 2015

Air Force wants owners to give up property near Area 51

LAS VEGAS — The U.S. Air Force is giving an ultimatum to owners of a remote Nevada property that over time has been surrounded by a vast bombing range including the super-secret Area 51.

They're being told to take a $5.2 million "last best offer" for their property by Thursday — or the government will seize it through condemnation.

http://tucson.com/ap/national/air-force-wants-owners-to-give-up-nevada-property-near/article_339f0e12-b8f1-52c1-b87c-2c47f68efc4b.html

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Air Force wants owners to give up property near Area 51 (Original Post) Lodestar Sep 2015 OP
I'm wondering if they're holding out for more money... MrScorpio Sep 2015 #1
I would take the money and run... yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #2
Fuck yeah, take the money and run... MrScorpio Sep 2015 #3
take the money and RUN!!! yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #4
there are many reasons people might not want to sell. marym625 Sep 2015 #7
I understand that greed is America's favorite pastime... TeamPooka Sep 2015 #13
having a choice between getting paid for the property yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #15
I like how you try to limit the choices with a straw man argument but a legal battle is also TeamPooka Sep 2015 #16
There is no straw man here yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #18
The Feds still have to pay if they condemn the property. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2015 #19
Yes, there is that... yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #20
It's probably a safe bet Major Nikon Sep 2015 #21
Sometimes our government SUCKS! marym625 Sep 2015 #5
According to MSN news, owners claim it had been valued at 13 Mil Lodestar Sep 2015 #6
As I understand it - it's not just one family packman Sep 2015 #8
I'm curious WHY the government needs it so bad right now. n/t Lodestar Sep 2015 #9
Condo's for Martians. They love Vegas. nt TeamPooka Sep 2015 #14
I believe you mean "Martian-Americans." branford Sep 2015 #22
Because the area is so polluted rusty fender Sep 2015 #17
Well, I guess they need room for all the useless, ineffective Jamastiene Sep 2015 #25
Rural Nevada is really, really poor. LeftyMom Sep 2015 #23
how many acres is it? that harsh waterless land is very inexpensive out there. Ask for 50 million! Sunlei Sep 2015 #10
MORE info here: Lodestar Sep 2015 #11
The aliens need more space to run and frolic... stevenleser Sep 2015 #12
I can't wait for some sovereign citizen nuts to try to defend this property. Nailzberg Sep 2015 #24

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
1. I'm wondering if they're holding out for more money...
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 10:44 AM
Sep 2015

$5.2 Mil ain't chump change for something that's no more than a hole in the ground surrounded by a bombing range.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. there are many reasons people might not want to sell.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:11 AM
Sep 2015

I would be with you. But if they don't want to sell, then they shouldn't have to be forced to or have it confiscated. We do this much too often.

Just my humble opinion

TeamPooka

(24,256 posts)
13. I understand that greed is America's favorite pastime...
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:05 PM
Sep 2015

but not all people are motivated by money regarding every life decision they face.
Especially when you are talking about land that has been in a family for generations.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
15. having a choice between getting paid for the property
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 01:58 PM
Sep 2015

and having the government just taking it, without any compensation, allows me to chose the best of the two alternatives. Unless you want to be Cliven Bundy and hang out on an over pass with your rifle pointed at FBI and Federal officials... YOUR choice ?

TeamPooka

(24,256 posts)
16. I like how you try to limit the choices with a straw man argument but a legal battle is also
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 02:46 PM
Sep 2015

an option.
There are always more options available when someone tries to limit you to only two.

yuiyoshida

(41,862 posts)
18. There is no straw man here
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 12:03 AM
Sep 2015

The US government gives them a choice between getting paid for their land or taking it. Yeah, maybe you can try and take them to court, if THEY allow it.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,343 posts)
19. The Feds still have to pay if they condemn the property.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 12:09 AM
Sep 2015

Fair market. Which may or may not be $5.2 million

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
21. It's probably a safe bet
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 12:30 AM
Sep 2015

And just because the government is saying this is your last offer, doesn't mean the court battles are over. I've seen some shitty property go for a helluva lot more than I would ever value it by people lawyering up.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
8. As I understand it - it's not just one family
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:14 AM
Sep 2015

It's several and when they divide up the pot each will end up with 1/4 million- nice, but really not that much to resettle in a new home. And that is sad alone that 1/4 million doesn't buy all that much housing today.
Frankly, they are comfortable and settled where they are and the Air Force should back down. That "official condemnation" doesn't sit well with me and smells too much like what is going on with the Palestinian/Israel situation.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
17. Because the area is so polluted
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 04:33 PM
Sep 2015

The U.S. gov't. is covering up how thoroughly contaminated Area 51 is and cannot control the spreading toxic sludge that years of experimentation have produced.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
25. Well, I guess they need room for all the useless, ineffective
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 07:32 AM
Sep 2015

bomber planes they keep building. Gotta store that waste of money somewhere, right?

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
23. Rural Nevada is really, really poor.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 01:46 AM
Sep 2015

The big problem with having a quarter mil to spend in rural NV would be finding a stick built house and not a trailer on a big parcel. I tried to look for examples but apparently online real estate listings haven't reached the great basin yet. The service I tried didn't even recognize relatively sizable towns in rural Nevada, let alone Rachel (the wide spot in the road nearest Area 51.) We're talking about places where you're practically landed gentry if you can get electricity without a generator and a two hour round trip to the closest grocery store isn't unusual.

You could buy a house in Reno or Las Vegas for that. Tahoe's out though. Maybe they should hold out for Tahoe money.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
10. how many acres is it? that harsh waterless land is very inexpensive out there. Ask for 50 million!
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:24 AM
Sep 2015

When they do eminent domain or condemnation the Govs always win in the end but they always will pay more.

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
11. MORE info here:
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 11:24 AM
Sep 2015

... The federal government gradually encircled the mine property — totaling fewer than 400 acres — northwest of Las Vegas, making it a private island reachable today only by passing armed guards at security gateposts. The surrounding secure 4,500-square-mile reservation for nuclear testing, military training and other research is almost twice the area of the state of Delaware.

"The land has become an increasingly greater safety and security risk as demand for test and training opportunities have increased," the government said in an Aug. 28 news release describing the final offer.

Today, Groom Mine overlooks Groom Lake, a site so secret that Col. Thomas Dempsey, a Nellis Air Force Base commander, would only refer to it on Friday as "one of many remote locations within the Nevada Test and Training Range."


http://news.yahoo.com/air-force-wants-owners-nevada-bombing-range-151333989.html

Nailzberg

(4,610 posts)
24. I can't wait for some sovereign citizen nuts to try to defend this property.
Thu Sep 10, 2015, 03:06 AM
Sep 2015

Get in their trucks, accidentally invade a bombing range.

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