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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 09:32 AM Sep 2015

Poor diet 'biggest contributor to early deaths across the world'


(Guardian UK) Poor diet has emerged as the biggest contributor to early death around the world, according to new analysis from the leading authorities on the global disease, with red meat and sugar-sweetened beverages among the foods implicated in 21% of global deaths.

Smoking cigarettes still carries the highest risk factor of premature death in the UK, followed by high blood pressure and obesity. But the Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation (IMHE) in the US says that a combination of dietary factors, from eating too few fruit and vegetables, nuts and whole grains to too much sodium and cholesterol, is taking a toll on health in the UK and across the globe.

The IMHE’s study found that the biggest contributor to early death globally is high blood pressure, in which age and family history play a part, but so do obesity, smoking, excessive salt consumption, lack of exercise and drinking large amounts of alcohol. In the UK, alcohol is also one of the top ten risk factors associated with the highest number of deaths for both men and women.

The study looked at 14 dietary risk factors. Cumulatively, unhealthy eating, including diets low in fruit, whole grains, and vegetables, and diets high in red meat and sugar-sweetened beverages contributed to more deaths than any other factor, causing ischemic heart disease, stroke and diabetes. ........................(more)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/11/poor-diet-biggest-contributor-early-deaths-world-study




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Poor diet 'biggest contributor to early deaths across the world' (Original Post) marmar Sep 2015 OP
K&R. bullwinkle428 Sep 2015 #1
Funny how "red meat" is still cited as bad Z_California Sep 2015 #2
Funny how people still think red meat is OK Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #4
Epidemiological studies such as this Z_California Sep 2015 #5
Getting people to see facts is pointless. Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #8
I went low carb and mostly meat and veggies, bacon and eggs, etc and weigh what I did in.... Logical Sep 2015 #18
Good for you, but... Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #22
Funny how everyone lumps all food categories into "bad" and "good" when it is all about moderation cbdo2007 Sep 2015 #6
I agree with your point Z_California Sep 2015 #7
Carbohydrates? Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #9
I'll ignore the insults and ad hominems Z_California Sep 2015 #10
I respect your personal experience. Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #12
Looking forward to going through all this Z_California Sep 2015 #13
I appologize for that. It was uncalled for. Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #15
Good point. ananda Sep 2015 #20
They lumped several diet-related categories together to get that headline GreatGazoo Sep 2015 #3
Not enough food is a bigger problem than red meat and sugar, MineralMan Sep 2015 #11
Hamburgers and soda...who could have guessed? Rex Sep 2015 #14
you forgot the french fries! shanti Sep 2015 #16
My BP is 86/36 ... I'm gonna live forever REP Sep 2015 #17
Carbs are not good for me. Maybe anyone. nt Logical Sep 2015 #19
wasn't that in "The Emperor of Maladies"? production-distribution-consumption saving 6x more lives MisterP Sep 2015 #21

Z_California

(650 posts)
2. Funny how "red meat" is still cited as bad
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:14 PM
Sep 2015

In spite of all of the evidence that it is not unhealthful while "whole grains" are cited as healthful in spite of all the evidence that grain (along with sugar) are the primary culprits in obesity and type 2 diabetes.

People want to "eat healthy" but most have no idea how to do so because of all of the contradicting advice and flawed conventional wisdom.

Google Gary Taubes, Nina Teicholz, Dr. Perlmutter if you're interested in this subject.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
4. Funny how people still think red meat is OK
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:47 PM
Sep 2015

when study after study has shown it to be one of the most dangerous and harmful things people can eat.

People want to eat healthy, but can't because they are taken in by quacks like Perlmutter.

BTW: If whole grains are so bad for obesity and type 2 diabetes, why is it that in cultures where whole grains make up the vast majority of the calories eaten, is there almost no obesity or diabetes?

The longest lived of all the cultures in the world are the South Koreans. Here is their diet:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/centenarian-diet-research/14100341814

Also:

Our review of the 6 studies found the following trends: 1) a very low meat intake was associated with a significant decrease in risk of death in 4 studies, a nonsignificant decrease in risk of death in the fifth study, and virtually no association in the sixth study; 2) 2 of the studies in which a low meat intake significantly decreased mortality risk also indicated that a longer duration (>/= 2 decades) of adherence to this diet contributed to a significant decrease in mortality risk and a significant 3.6-y (95% CI: 1.4, 5.8 y) increase in life expectancy; and 3) the protective effect of a very low meat intake seems to attenuate after the ninth decade. Some of the variation in the survival advantage in vegetarians may have been due to marked differences between studies in adjustment for confounders, the definition of vegetarian, measurement error, age distribution, the healthy volunteer effect, and intake of specific plant foods by the vegetarians.
CONCLUSION:

Current prospective cohort data from adults in North America and Europe raise the possibility that a lifestyle pattern that includes a very low meat intake is associated with greater longevity


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12936945

It's just horrifying that people are being mislead by quacks like Dr. Oz and his sidekick Dr. Perlmutter (who consiults for the Dr. Oz show, BTW)

Epidemiologist Dr. David Katz, founding director of Yale University's Prevention Research Center, has criticized Grain Brain, saying "Perlmutter is way ahead of any justifiable conclusion" and that many of its claims are "wildly preposterous".
(Hamblin, James (20 December 2013). "This Is Your Brain on Gluten". The Atlantic. Retrieved 4 February 2014.)


Z_California

(650 posts)
5. Epidemiological studies such as this
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 01:11 PM
Sep 2015

have been routinely misinterpreted for many many years and the results have been disastrous to our health. It's the whole cause vs. correlation problem.

In the last several years there has been a sea change of thought in nutrition. I'm not going to argue with you, but I will provide you with some links to random controlled studies if you're sincerely interested:

http://garytaubes.com/2012/03/science-pseudoscience-nutritional-epidemiology-and-meat/

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract

http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
8. Getting people to see facts is pointless.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:40 PM
Sep 2015

I will never convince a Republican economist that tax cuts don't work, no matter how many facts I show them.

I will never convince a climate denier that climate change is caused by humans not matter how many facts I show them.

I will never convince someone committed to their particular dietary dogma that they are wrong no matter how many facts I show them.

In each case, the person in question will cling all the more strongly to their dogma.

Further discussion, therefore, is pointless.

If you ever reach the point where you would like to know the truth, as supported by facts, not dogma, then there is plenty of truth out there waiting for you to look for it. Just look in places other than authors of popular fad diet books.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
18. I went low carb and mostly meat and veggies, bacon and eggs, etc and weigh what I did in....
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 08:33 PM
Sep 2015

high school now. Also, doctor took me off cholesterol medicine.

The fear od red meat is bullshit.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
22. Good for you, but...
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 11:35 AM
Sep 2015

...they way things are going it won't much matter what we eat because a lot of us will live long enough to die of either catastrophic ecosystem failure resulting in famine, or starvation brought on by the collapse of the global economy.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
6. Funny how everyone lumps all food categories into "bad" and "good" when it is all about moderation
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:07 PM
Sep 2015

with ALL food groups.

A reasonable amount of red meat is good for you, just like a reasonable amount of whole grains are good for you. Not sure why you are doing any better than this study, by you yourself calling out "whole grains" and lumping them into the "unhealthy" category.

Z_California

(650 posts)
7. I agree with your point
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:32 PM
Sep 2015

In moderation, whole grains aren't "bad" for you. The question is, what defines moderation in the case of carbohydrates, whole grain, sugar or otherwise?

It's becoming clear that the high carbohydrate diet recommended for 30+ years by the USDA, AHA has been unhealthful.

I do agree with your point though about "good" and "bad". It applies to public affairs too. It's important to understand the nuances and shades of gray.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
9. Carbohydrates?
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 02:58 PM
Sep 2015

By that do you mean donuts and potato chips?
Or do you mean carrots and broccoli?

People who parrot what they've read in some fad diet book seldom really have a clue what they are talking about.

World wide, the cultures with the highest carbohydrate intake are the longest lived and healthiest cultures, with nearly non-existent diabetes and heart disease. This is what the epidemiological evidence tells us. Now if you are talking about a western diet of potato chips and diet coke, that's a different thing altogether.

For example, the Tarahumara people, indigenous to northwestern Mexico, live primarily on corn, beans, and squash with very few animal foods and are free of atherosclerosis, obesity, and other modern diseases. Their genetic counterparts, the Pima, living in Arizona, following a diet filled with meat, eggs, and cheese are riddled with heart disease, obesity, type-2 diabetes, and kidney failure.
The same freedom from modern diseases can be said about millions of people currently living in rural South America, Central America, Asia, and Africa on diets of potatoes, corn, rice, millet, cassava, and other starch vegetables. However, as these same people migrate to the cities and change to a diet centered on animal foods and processed foods they become fat and sick, just like many of the Egyptians of ancient times and most of the Westerners of today.

The well-preserved, disease-ridden remains of ancient Egyptians of the royal class provide unequivocal evidence that atherosclerosis, obesity, and other afflictions commonly experienced in today’s developed societies are due to a rich diet high in animal foods. There is nothing paradoxical, old, or new about these findings. Throughout all of recorded human history, almost all people have lived on diets based on starches: corn in Central America, potatoes in South America, rice in the far East, and wheat and barley in the near East (like Egypt). For the common person, feasts occurred only during a few special times a year, usually on holidays. During these celebratory times people would indulge themselves by roasting a pig over a fire or throwing a chicken in the pot of vegetable stew. They could afford extravagance infrequently, and as a result, atherosclerosis, obesity, and tooth decay were rare to unknown.

In stark contrast, for the wealthy and privileged—the royalty, the aristocrats, the high priests, the kings and queens and their court—feasts were everyday occurrences. Art of the past reflects the medical results: a fat king sitting on his throne with his foot swollen with painful gout.


You might also take a look at this paper by a prominent cardiologist demostrating reversal of heart disease by eliminating meat from the diet.

Facts speak for themselves if you stop reading popular fad diet books and start reading the original scientific papers. And beware of the papers sponsored by the dairy council or the meat industry or the carbonated beverages companies.

(If you are like most people, this will be the signal to dig in your heals, ignore facts, and defend your dogma even more vigorously. In either case, I've said my piece, pointed you in the right direction, and bid you good luck with your pursuit if truth. I have nothing more to say on the subject. The truth is out there waiting for you. Good luck.)

Z_California

(650 posts)
10. I'll ignore the insults and ad hominems
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:17 PM
Sep 2015

Vegetables do contain carbohydrates but also contain fiber and are nutrient dense. People are not killing themselves on vegetables.

Flour and sugar are killing us.

I've provided the randomized controlled studies but I doubt you'll even take a minute to look at them because you already know everything about nutrition right? I've spent hundreds of hours researching, it's my passion.

And I walk the walk. I'm 48 years old, I've gone from 220 lbs. to 190lbs. with 15% body fat. My doc says I have the highest HDL count he's ever seen among male patients.

Ad hominems don't change randomized controlled studies. Epidemiological studies do not establish causation. And I haven't based my knowledge on "diet fad" books.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
12. I respect your personal experience.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:08 PM
Sep 2015

My personal experience is that I had very high blood pressure for 40 years, (over 190/100) since I was in my 20s. (I'm 70 now) Trying one medication after another did nothing to help it. I switched to a vegan diet, and after 40 years of meds it took 3 to 4 weeks on a vegan diet to bring my BP down to low, low normal. And my cholesterol went from too high to low as well. That's my personal experience. And I've studied the subject too, and it's also my passion, and I also walk the walk. I know my way works for me, and that's all that really matters to me. I could cite more studies, but you seem predisposed to not read studies that contradict your beliefs. But then that's human nature.

I don't mind reading studies that don't agree with me because I seldom have much trouble poking holes in them.

What say about these, for example?

H. Noto, A. Goto, T. Tsujimoto, M. Noda. Low-carbohydrate diets and all-cause mortality: A systematic review and meta-analysis of observational studies. PLoS ONE 2013 8(1):e55030.

J. Merino, R. Kones, R. Ferré, N. Plana, J. Girona, G. Aragonés, D. Ibarretxe, M. Heras, L. Masana. Negative effect of a low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diet on small peripheral artery reactivity in patients with increased cardiovascular risk. Br. J. Nutr. 2013 109(7):1241 - 1247.

R. M. Fleming, K. Ketchum, D. M. Fleming, R. Gaede. Treating hyperlipidemia in the elderly. Angiology 1995 46(12):1075 - 1083.

R. M. Fleming, L. B. Boyd. The effect of high-protein diets on coronary blood flow. Angiology 2000 51(10):817 - 826.

F. L. Santos, S. S. Esteves, A. da Costa Pereira, W. S. Yancy Jr, J. P. L. Nunes. Systematic review and meta-analysis of clinical trials of the effects of low carbohydrate diets on cardiovascular risk factors. Obes Rev 2012 13(11):1048 - 1066.

L. Schwingshackl, G. Hoffmann. Low-carbohydrate diets impair flow-mediated dilatation: Evidence from a systematic review and meta-analysis. Br. J. Nutr. 2013 110(5) 69 - 970.

R. M. Fleming. Reversing heart disease in the new millennium--the Fleming unified theory. Angiology 2000 51(8):617 - 629.

The fact is weight loss by any means can drop your cholesterol. You could go on an all-Twinkie diet and lower your cholesterol if you were unable to eat the dozen daily Twinkies necessary to maintain your weight. That’s why a good cocaine habit could end up lowering your cholesterol. Chemotherapy, can drop your cholesterol like a rock. Tuberculosis can work wonders on your waistline. Anything that drops your weight can drop your cholesterol, but the goal isn’t to fit into a skinnier casket, the reason we care about cardiovascular risk factors like cholesterol is because we care about cardiovascular risk, the health of our arteries.

Well now we have studies that have measured the impact of low carb diets on arteries directly, and a review of all the best studies to date found that low carb diets impair arterial function (see references above), as evidenced by a decrease in flow-mediated dilation, meaning low carb diets effectively stiffen people’s arteries, And since that meta-analysis was published a new study found the same thing. A dietary pattern characterized by high protein and fat, but low carbohydrate was associated with poorer peripheral small artery function, again measuring blood flow into people’s limbs. But peripheral circulation is not as important as the circulation in the coronary arteries that feed our heart.

There has only been one study ever done measuring actual blood flow to the heart muscles of people eating low carb diets and this is it. Dr. Richard Fleming, an accomplished nuclear cardiologist, enrolled 26 people into a comprehensive study of the effects of diet on cardiac function using the latest in nuclear imaging technology--so-called SPECT scans, enabling him to actually directly measure the blood flow within the coronary arteries.

He then put them all on a healthy vegetarian diet, and a year later the scans were repeated. By that time, however, 10 of the patients had jumped ship onto the low carb bandwagon. At first I bet he was pissed, but surely soon realized he had an unparalleled research opportunity dropped into his lap. Here he had extensive imaging of 10 people following a low carb diet and 16 following a high carb diet. What would their hearts look like at the end of the year? We can talk about risk factors all we want, but compared to the veg group, did the coronary heart disease of the patients following the Atkins-like diets improve, worsen, or stay the same?

Those sticking to the vegetarian diet showed a reversal of their heart disease as expected. Their partially clogged arteries literally got cleaned out. They had 20% less atherosclerotic plaque in their arteries at the end of the year than at the beginning. What happened to those who abandoned the treatment diet, and switched over to the low carb diet? Their condition significantly worsened. 40 to 50% more artery clogging at the end of the year. Thanks to the kind generosity of Dr. Fleming we see the changes in blood flow for ourselves.

Here are some representative heart scans. (Images at this link) The yellow and particularly red represent blood flow through the coronary arteries to the heart muscle. This patient went on a plant-based diet and their arteries opened right up increasing the blood flow. This person, however, started out with good flow, but after a year on a low carb diet, they significantly clogged down their arterial blood flow.

So this is the best science we have, demonstrating the threat of low carb diets, not just measuring risk factors, but actual blood flow in people’s hearts on different diets. Of course the reason we care about cardiac blood flow, is we don’t want to die, and a meta-analysis was recently published that finally went ahead and measured the ultimate end-point, death, and low-carb diets were associated with a significantly higher risk of all-cause mortality, meaning living a significantly shorter lifespan.

Z_California

(650 posts)
13. Looking forward to going through all this
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:31 PM
Sep 2015

Your judgement of me as "predisposed to not read studies that contradict (my) beliefs" couldn't be further from the truth.

ananda

(28,862 posts)
20. Good point.
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 08:42 PM
Sep 2015

I eat red meat and chicken and avoid almost all grains.

It is true that many dietary problems stem from eating
too much food that contain the bad carbs.

But there are caveats that come with eating meat, such
as don't overcook it or add bad things to it for flavor or
dressing. The same goes for salads.

I used to think I was eating healthy when I wasn't because
the parts of the meal that were healthy were combined
with flavoring or gravy or dressings or coatings that weren't
healthy. I think I know better now, but it's been a long
learning experience.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
3. They lumped several diet-related categories together to get that headline
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

Another way to look at premature deaths would be to look at the age of death and calculate how many years are lost. In other words, a 3YO child shot by a handgun lost 70 years of life expectancy while a 70YO who dies from complications related to diabetes has lost 3 years.

Missing from their list:

- suicides
- texting while driving (or any other auto accidents)
- prescription drugs and drug interactions
- war and gunfire
- cancers

MineralMan

(146,316 posts)
11. Not enough food is a bigger problem than red meat and sugar,
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 03:32 PM
Sep 2015

frankly. This report is biased and focuses on the industrialized world.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. Hamburgers and soda...who could have guessed?
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 05:33 PM
Sep 2015

I lost 60 pounds by cutting out all fast food and sodas from my diet. Strange thing, I don't miss the HFCS at all.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
16. you forgot the french fries!
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 08:07 PM
Sep 2015

cutting the classic burger/fries/coke out of one's diet makes a HUGE difference.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
21. wasn't that in "The Emperor of Maladies"? production-distribution-consumption saving 6x more lives
Fri Sep 11, 2015, 11:32 PM
Sep 2015

than inoculation?

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